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post Nov 1 2017, 04:59 PM

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Oh well... typical ktard. Just move on. Nothing else to see here.
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post Nov 1 2017, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Nov 1 2017, 08:59 AM)
It is, like TS said, that profession is very old and cannot be abolished so IT MUST BE LEGALIZED.

He already assumed that old profession are by default legal and he already assumed that the society need face either legal prostitution or non legal prostitution since it cannot be killed.

Whereas there are other possibilities where a society can in fact function without prostitution in this current era.

So he already assumed its either we accept legal prostitution or non legal prostitution, which means, it is false dichotomy.

Faham tak kid?

Haih.. fail la this fella
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If you say he assume, show proof he is wrong then?

What country no prostitute (legal or illegal)?
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post Nov 1 2017, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Oct 30 2017, 02:14 PM)
LoL ever heard of documentaries?
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go see the real world first before arguing about these things

these kind of documentary only film the bad side of it, never ever explore the actual factual side about it.
assumed that all the girls involved are bad or desperate

if prostitution or pornography is so bad, why would even developed countries legalized it ?
remember japan, germany and US economies are leading in the world
u wanna have a go at that statement ?
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post Nov 1 2017, 05:08 PM

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oldest profession is also murderer (first murderer)

should legalised contract killer also
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post Nov 1 2017, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Oct 30 2017, 08:30 AM)
Deswai islam say kenot simply piap.

Now the aftermath..

Hopefully malaysia wont become worst like this, need more clamping on ILLEGAL prostitution
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In one study, decriminalization indoor prostitution caused both forcible rape offenses and gonorrhea incidence to decline for the overall population.
https://www.nber.org/papers/w20281
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post Nov 1 2017, 05:18 PM

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aku suka tered berbalah pendapat nie. rasa macam action movie pulak. if dorang dapat facetoface kan best aku dok tepi mkn cengkodok pisang.
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post Nov 1 2017, 05:26 PM

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post Nov 1 2017, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(gamehype @ Nov 1 2017, 05:01 PM)
If you say he assume, show proof he is wrong then?

What country no prostitute (legal or illegal)?
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I said a society, doesnt mean they have to be a whole country.

One example? Those who lived in mecca.

This area are restricted to muslims only.

QUOTE(Chobits @ Nov 1 2017, 05:05 PM)
go see the real world first before arguing about these things

these kind of documentary only film the bad side of it, never ever explore the actual factual side about it.
assumed that all the girls involved are bad or desperate

if prostitution or pornography is so bad, why would even developed countries legalized it ?
remember japan, germany and US economies are leading in the world
u wanna have a go at that statement ?
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Wow..there are numbers of reports by prostitutes themselves (from these first world country u mentioned) reported the abuse and scams within the industry.

In fact, you can find lots of these documentaries are covering the porn industry in US.

Even the hollywood industry are rife with sex and human rights abuse , wanna bet the porn industry would do any better?
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post Nov 1 2017, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(revolusi @ Nov 1 2017, 05:35 PM)
You do know that sex before marriage is also prohibited in Christianity right?

It has more to do with the social economic situation than with religion.
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Of course they are not just due to religion per se, many factors involved which give rise to this profession.

Im just saying based on the aftermath this is why Islam prohibited such profession, even during the prophet Muhammad time there are prostitutes in their society, and that time Islam wasnt known to them.

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post Nov 1 2017, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(Coup De Grace @ Nov 1 2017, 05:14 PM)
In one study, decriminalization indoor prostitution caused both forcible rape offenses and gonorrhea incidence to decline for the overall population.
https://www.nber.org/papers/w20281
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Sure thing, but that doesnt mean its good for the society as a whole.

We dont need to think too much bro, go look at the prostitution and porn industry in the US, the human right, mental, sex, abuse and also scams involved within this industry.

That alone is enough for me to say it will bring more harm than good to the society.


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post Nov 1 2017, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(revolusi @ Nov 1 2017, 05:51 PM)
Prohibiting something doesn't make it disappear. Prostitution itself really isn't that big of a deal if it is done safely.
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Of course it doesnt, but prohibition will act as deterrence to those who are afraid of getting caught.

Which leave it to those who arent afraid to go agaisnt the law (and time to time we will see them on tv caught by law enforcers).

Im not saying we have to make it dissapear, heck for some group of people their didi is ruling their head, but personally I dont see it will do good for the society as a whole.

Economically it might be good, but at what cost? See the aftermath in the video by TS?

THAT IS THE COST.

Legal or no legal, its a cancer for society, thats what i think.
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post Nov 1 2017, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(gamehype @ Nov 1 2017, 05:01 PM)

What country no prostitute (legal or illegal)?
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Available at the Holy Land?
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post Nov 1 2017, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Nov 1 2017, 06:00 PM)
Of course it doesnt, but prohibition will act as deterrence to those who are afraid of getting caught.

Which leave it to those who arent afraid to go agaisnt the law (and time to time we will see them on tv caught by law enforcers).

Im not saying we have to make it dissapear, heck for some group of people their didi is ruling their head, but personally I dont see it will do good for the society as a whole.

Economically it might be good, but at what cost? See the aftermath in the video by TS?

THAT IS THE COST.

Legal or no legal, its a cancer for society, thats what i think.
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US has tried something like this before

Prohibiting alcohol which is a cancer to the society

However it did not went well

People just could not stop drinking so they keep breaking the law

So in the end experiment has to stop

The mind is strong, but the body is weak

Stricter regulations instead of a ban may be the answer but i dunno

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QUOTE(Coup De Grace @ Nov 1 2017, 06:07 PM)
US has tried something like this before

Prohibiting alcohol which is a cancer to the society

However it did not went well

People just could not stop drinking so they keep breaking the law

So in the end experiment has to stop

The mind is strong, but the body is weak

Stricter regulations instead of a ban may be the answer but i dunno
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All these legalization are just damage control to regulate and profit from the activity, but it doesnt solve the problem at the first place.

We still face drunk driving accidents, alcoholics, etc. But of course we cant deny the reduction in number.

However we cant deny the fact that there are people living in this world who never drink alcohol, never hired prostitutes, never smoke, etc.

The real question here is, why these people can live normally but some others need all these "sinful" activity to live normally?

What was it that triggered such reliance on these activities at the first place?

Is it peer pressure? Stress? Societal norm?




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post Nov 1 2017, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Oct 30 2017, 12:59 PM)
oldest profession in the world so it should be legalized?

that my friend, a false dichotomy.
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to be more accurate, it's the "appeal to antiquity/common practice" fallacy (argumentum ad antiquitatem)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition
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QUOTE(cyhborg @ Nov 1 2017, 06:53 PM)
to be more accurate, it's the "appeal to antiquity/common practice" fallacy (argumentum ad antiquitatem)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition
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Yeah, thats more accurate haha gotta be surprised by how many terms and jargons we can learn here.
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post Nov 1 2017, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Nov 1 2017, 05:43 PM)
I said a society, doesnt mean they have to be a whole country.

One example? Those who lived in mecca.

This area are restricted to muslims only.
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How do you know these people don't go outside Mecca, fuck some prostitute, then come back?

You can't take some sections of a country, and then says its works for a whole country. Imagine some vegan nut says its possible to go vegan, then show some temple/village somewhere in the world where whole population is vegan and say its possible.

QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Nov 1 2017, 05:54 PM)
Sure thing, but that doesnt mean its good for the society as a whole.

We dont need to think too much bro, go look at the prostitution and porn industry in the US
, the human right, mental, sex, abuse and also scams involved within this industry.

That alone is enough for me to say it will bring more harm than good to the society.
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US is not shining example on anything la. Don't use US as an example la. They can't even enforce their gun laws properly, something they are so vocal about.

Prostitution in Europe are more regulated (but not perfect)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Europe
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/78...laws_in_europe/


QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Oct 30 2017, 12:59 PM)
LoL

u think LEGAL prostitution owned by honest businessman and not mafias or triads?? laugh.gif
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Look at the two links above.

Also read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_..._United_Kingdom

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In Great Britain (England, Wales and Scotland), prostitution itself (the exchange of sexual services for money) is legal,[2] but a number of related activities, including soliciting in a public place, kerb crawling, owning or managing a brothel, pimping and pandering, are crimes. In Northern Ireland, which previously had similar laws, paying for sex became illegal on 1 June 2015.[3]

In England and Wales, it is an offence to pay for sex with a prostitute who has been "subjected to force" and this is a strict liability offence (clients can be prosecuted even if they did not know the prostitute was forced).


That right. They made pimping illegal, but prostitution not. Prostitution isn't the same everywhere in the world, and some countries definitely does it better than other countries.

QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Oct 30 2017, 12:59 PM)
oldest profession in the world so it should be legalized?
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I think the point he is trying to make is that its impossible to get rid of prostitution, and the "oldest profession in the world" is his proof of it. He wasn't arguing "its the oldest, so it should be legal"

QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Oct 30 2017, 12:59 PM)
Btw, got demand so need to supply? So people asking for recreational drugs so we should legalize drug use and purchase? No.

Drugs are inherently harmful. But safe sex isn't. If prostitute and buyer is willing and is doing safe sex, who are you to stop them?

QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Oct 30 2017, 12:59 PM)
Oh yeah, even in so called "legal" prostitution, u think their basic labour rights is being practiced? go look for more documentaries covering prostitutes and porn actors lah, how fucuk up their so called "basic rights" being trampled.

Thus proper enforcement is the key here. Like Malaysia, lots of thing illegal, but no enforcement. Like lots of construction and plantation company uses illegal labour workers. So how? Ban construction and plantation companies?


QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Oct 30 2017, 12:59 PM)
its all fine and dandy when you are the consumers, but for the suppliers? even the girls themselves are suffering lah, have u seen billionaire prostitutes? no...

No billionaire farmer, no billionaire fisherman, no billionaire taxi driver, no billionaire teacher, etc etc etc.


QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Oct 30 2017, 12:59 PM)
This profession is the LAST RESORT for desperate, gullible, naive, or those who rely on superficial features to earn money because they have no other skills to rely on.
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If society as a whole can help this desperate, gullible, naive girls to get better job, all the better for that society. But that goes to show, it starts by education/welfare/helping these girl, not by banning it. You can ban drugs, but there is still drug buyer and drug sellers.

This post has been edited by gamehype: Nov 1 2017, 08:53 PM
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post Nov 1 2017, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(gamehype @ Nov 1 2017, 08:52 PM)
How do you know these people don't go outside Mecca, fuck some prostitute, then come back?

You can't take some sections of a country, and then says its works for a whole country. Imagine some vegan nut says its possible to go vegan, then show some temple/village somewhere in the world where whole population is vegan and say its possible.
US is not shining example on anything la. Don't use US as an example la. They can't even enforce their gun laws properly, something they are so vocal about.

Prostitution in Europe are more regulated (but not perfect)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Europe
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/78...laws_in_europe/
Look at the two links above.

Also read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_..._United_Kingdom
That right. They made pimping illegal, but prostitution not. Prostitution isn't the same everywhere in the world, and some countries definitely does it better than other countries.
I think the point he is trying to make is that its impossible to get rid of prostitution, and the "oldest profession in the world" is his proof of it. He wasn't arguing "its the oldest, so it should be legal"
Drugs are inherently harmful. But safe sex isn't. If prostitute and buyer is willing and is doing safe sex, who are you to stop them?
Thus proper enforcement is the key here. Like Malaysia, lots of thing illegal, but no enforcement. Like lots of construction and plantation company uses illegal labour workers. So how? Ban construction and plantation companies?
No billionaire farmer, no billionaire fisherman, no billionaire taxi driver, no billionaire teacher, etc etc etc.
If society as a whole can help this desperate, gullible, naive girls to get better job, all the better for that society. But that goes to show, it starts by education/welfare/helping these girl, not by banning it. You can ban drugs, but there is still drug buyer and drug sellers.
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LOL

Another random dupe replying to my comments that were meant for others.. haih.. damn lazy lah bro, go backtrack my comments lah, all your arguments requires me to explain my posts properly...aint got time for that yawn.gif

QUOTE(hardreality @ Nov 1 2017, 09:04 PM)
Coup de Grace already provided you a link to the benefits of legalized prostitution. Where's your evidence to substantiate your claims, or are you just depending on emotional rhetoric ?
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So we need to spoonfeed in k/? this whole thread started with solid evidence about the problem of prostitution, do i need to remind again?

haih..


best thing is, im replying to random dupes who just registered this year lol....

fake accounts for trolling? aint worth my goddamn time

This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Nov 1 2017, 09:23 PM
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post Nov 1 2017, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Nov 1 2017, 09:22 PM)
LOL

Another random dupe replying to my comments that were meant for others.. haih.. damn lazy lah bro, go backtrack my comments lah, all your arguments requires me to explain my posts properly...aint got time for that yawn.gif
So we need to spoonfeed in k/? this whole thread started with solid evidence about the problem of prostitution, do i need to remind again?

haih..
best thing is, im replying to random dupes who just registered this year lol....

fake accounts for trolling? aint worth my goddamn time
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I reread everything you said already.

And addressed them in my post bit by bit.

Like for example, you keep using US as an example. I said US is not good example at anything. None of the points I brought up were brought up by other people.

QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Nov 1 2017, 09:22 PM)
So we need to spoonfeed in k/? this whole thread started with solid evidence about the problem of prostitution, do i need to remind again?
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It shows the problems of prostitution in Philippines. Guess what, prostitution is not legal in Philippines anyway. So what then? Banning it doesn't help the prostitutes.

Edit : I never troll with my accounts. I guess when you can't beat other people argument and proof, you just say fake account la, trolling la etc.

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