Deswai islam say kenot simply piap.
Now the aftermath..
Hopefully malaysia wont become worst like this, need more clamping on ILLEGAL prostitution
True Cost of Sex Tourism in Philippines
True Cost of Sex Tourism in Philippines
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Oct 30 2017, 08:30 AM
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Deswai islam say kenot simply piap.
Now the aftermath.. Hopefully malaysia wont become worst like this, need more clamping on ILLEGAL prostitution |
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Deswai islam say kenot simply piap.
Now the aftermath.. Hopefully malaysia wont become worst like this, need more clamping on ILLEGAL prostitution |
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Oct 30 2017, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE(Meis @ Oct 30 2017, 08:40 AM) Disagree. LoLProstitution should be legalized and the industry should be reserved to the local population. Sex tourism is bad. Why legalized? Prostitution is the OLDEST BUSINESS IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND. Every ancient empire or civilization had it. Duh! You can't kill it, unless you figured out how to make a society without poverty. (Look up Venus Project and Zeitgeist documentaries for that matter). F-ing logic on the economy part... employment, supply and demand. Make it disease free and safe. No abuse. And PAY YOUR TAXES, biatches, like everyone else! Prostitutes deserve basic labour rights too. Illegal prostitution leads to underground gangster/triad/mafia shenanigans. u think LEGAL prostitution owned by honest businessman and not mafias or triads?? oldest profession in the world so it should be legalized? that my friend, a false dichotomy. Btw, got demand so need to supply? So people asking for recreational drugs so we should legalize drug use and purchase? No. Oh yeah, even in so called "legal" prostitution, u think their basic labour rights is being practiced? go look for more documentaries covering prostitutes and porn actors lah, how fucuk up their so called "basic rights" being trampled. its all fine and dandy when you are the consumers, but for the suppliers? even the girls themselves are suffering lah, have u seen billionaire prostitutes? no... This profession is the LAST RESORT for desperate, gullible, naive, or those who rely on superficial features to earn money because they have no other skills to rely on. Its a cancer thats what it is. |
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Oct 30 2017, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE(Chobits @ Oct 30 2017, 01:04 PM) kesian, so triggered by a good suggestion. Kesian, oblivious to the reality of the industry. singapore/germany/usa, leading world countries have legalized it and yet some people still so triggered. btw, in fact prostitution saved a lot more woman than u will ever know. every porn act is paid accordingly, if u want stardom ? u need to sacrifice for it. the girls know it and get paid. its ok, kids will be kids. |
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Oct 30 2017, 01:39 PM
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Oct 30 2017, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE(hardreality @ Oct 31 2017, 10:26 AM) Accuse other of false dichotomy (when it is actually closer to false causality), but you also commit the same fallacy. LoL my fondness towards their choice has nothing to do with their reason for doing so.There are a lot of women who choose prostitution as a profession on their own volition. Just because you don't like their choice, doesn't mean they're "gullible/naive/superficial". And no it is NOT false causality. Not even close. Nobody says anything about since its an old profession, it would CAUSE prostitution to be legalized. LoL. TS is saying since its an old profession, It SHOULD be legalized. But under what justification does these two factor related to each other? So if hired assasin is an old profession, it should be legalized without any reason? LoL These two factors does not relate. Which means, it is false dichotomy, kid. This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Oct 31 2017, 11:39 AM |
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Oct 31 2017, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE(hardreality @ Oct 31 2017, 11:59 AM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma WTF Description clearly is not an either/or fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc Wrong already just admit la... gila bodo this guy, do you even know those meaning or not? first u said its false causality, now put forward false dilemma and ergo propter apa lanjiao.. first time got dictionary is it? why pancuting all these jargons that u know jack shit about? haih..... Oh next time please kid, PLEASE do apply these fancy terms u coined and use it as an example to explain the comments made by TS. I dont need your to post wiki links, I need substance, the real fucuking reason your brain is thinking it is not false dichotomy. LOL This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Oct 31 2017, 06:37 PM |
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Nov 1 2017, 08:59 AM
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QUOTE(hardreality @ Nov 1 2017, 07:45 AM) I explained to you in the previous already, TS description does not fit either / or condition. And then posted the link suits the description, ie false causality. You didn't read want to blame people pulak. Fail It is, like TS said, that profession is very old and cannot be abolished so IT MUST BE LEGALIZED. He already assumed that old profession are by default legal and he already assumed that the society need face either legal prostitution or non legal prostitution since it cannot be killed. Whereas there are other possibilities where a society can in fact function without prostitution in this current era. So he already assumed its either we accept legal prostitution or non legal prostitution, which means, it is false dichotomy. Faham tak kid? Haih.. fail la this fella This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Nov 1 2017, 09:09 AM |
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QUOTE(hardreality @ Nov 1 2017, 09:18 AM) NOT a dichotomy. Prostitution is the oldest profession therefore it should be legalized. It's causality. A dichotomy in this situation would be TS supports prostitute, so TS must be a patron of the sex industry. At best, I can only grant you that it fits a false compromise fallacy. Granted my examples was weak kid, but TS did put forward an either / or situation, hence the either legal or non legal prostitution. He already rejected other possibilities where a society can exist without prostitution at all.If you categorized it properly, you wouldn't have responded with the similar fallacy, ie propter hoc, prostitution is profession of last resort. Correct identification would have led you to a better retort such as "assassination is also one of the world's oldest profession, should that be legalized too?" That would've stopped his logic in it's tracks. Which fits the bill it is false dichotomy. Haih... |
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QUOTE(hardreality @ Nov 1 2017, 09:38 AM) The part about "cannot be abolished" is a false dichotomy, yes. But legalizing prostitution because of it is world's oldest profession is false causality. You were attacking the legalization of if, not whether or not it can be abolished. Plus he is right about driving the industry underground. Which also meant YOU were also practicing false dichotomy when you said Aduiyai... I wasnt "attacking" the legal side of it, that part of the comment was to point out his naive thinking that illegal prostitution opens the door to mafia, gangsters, and criminals ownership. I replied ridiculing his naivety asking whether legal prostitution are only owned by honest businessman. My post wasnt so narrow that im stuck with just one point to cover, I have my angles in one post so it is best for you, who had nothing to do with my replies towards TS to just mind your own business. If you keep on digging my post that were meant for others you will keep on making stupid arguments based on your distorted assumptions and understanding. |
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QUOTE(hardreality @ Nov 1 2017, 12:20 PM) Like I said, you're guilty of the same logical fallacies that you accuse others of. You still haven't addressed this. Do u understand what im saying? Do i have to describe to u again?Instead of checking your arguments and improving them, you resorted to as hominem attacks. Which part of my post have logical fallacies again? Haih... |
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QUOTE(jerm57 @ Nov 1 2017, 03:55 PM) NUR_VER.3 Just admit your reasoning was wrong lah. First of all, degree holders wouldn't talk down to people like that unless they are immature or just plain rude. Second, fix your own argument before you talk about other people. You instantly became defensive the moment people pointed out your weak points. Instead of correcting yourself or clarifying your argument, you went straight for denials and ad hominem. If you are really a graduate and not just some kid, prove it with better logic and discussion, ok? Another guy trying to meddle halfway in. Sorry I have no time explaining, this is what happen when I replied to one guy, somehow some smart ass want to interfere halfway and missed the WHOLE point of discussion, start talking as if I was replying to them. point of the whole story, It was false dichotomy, a society CAN function without prostitution, theres no either legal or illegal prostitution situation AT ALL I dont care whether some smart ass want to start dig another point of my posts and start arguing other things instead, not worth my goddamn life entertaining some kepochi kids who tries to butt in when adults were talking. owh yeah Im a post grad guy, and I LOVE to talk kok here in k/ u dont like it? tough luck kid. haih... This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Nov 1 2017, 04:50 PM |
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QUOTE(gamehype @ Nov 1 2017, 05:01 PM) I said a society, doesnt mean they have to be a whole country.One example? Those who lived in mecca. This area are restricted to muslims only. QUOTE(Chobits @ Nov 1 2017, 05:05 PM) go see the real world first before arguing about these things Wow..there are numbers of reports by prostitutes themselves (from these first world country u mentioned) reported the abuse and scams within the industry.these kind of documentary only film the bad side of it, never ever explore the actual factual side about it. assumed that all the girls involved are bad or desperate if prostitution or pornography is so bad, why would even developed countries legalized it ? remember japan, germany and US economies are leading in the world u wanna have a go at that statement ? In fact, you can find lots of these documentaries are covering the porn industry in US. Even the hollywood industry are rife with sex and human rights abuse , wanna bet the porn industry would do any better? |
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QUOTE(revolusi @ Nov 1 2017, 05:35 PM) You do know that sex before marriage is also prohibited in Christianity right? Of course they are not just due to religion per se, many factors involved which give rise to this profession. It has more to do with the social economic situation than with religion. Im just saying based on the aftermath this is why Islam prohibited such profession, even during the prophet Muhammad time there are prostitutes in their society, and that time Islam wasnt known to them. This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Nov 1 2017, 05:48 PM |
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QUOTE(Coup De Grace @ Nov 1 2017, 05:14 PM) In one study, decriminalization indoor prostitution caused both forcible rape offenses and gonorrhea incidence to decline for the overall population. Sure thing, but that doesnt mean its good for the society as a whole.https://www.nber.org/papers/w20281 We dont need to think too much bro, go look at the prostitution and porn industry in the US, the human right, mental, sex, abuse and also scams involved within this industry. That alone is enough for me to say it will bring more harm than good to the society. |
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QUOTE(revolusi @ Nov 1 2017, 05:51 PM) Prohibiting something doesn't make it disappear. Prostitution itself really isn't that big of a deal if it is done safely. Of course it doesnt, but prohibition will act as deterrence to those who are afraid of getting caught.Which leave it to those who arent afraid to go agaisnt the law (and time to time we will see them on tv caught by law enforcers). Im not saying we have to make it dissapear, heck for some group of people their didi is ruling their head, but personally I dont see it will do good for the society as a whole. Economically it might be good, but at what cost? See the aftermath in the video by TS? THAT IS THE COST. Legal or no legal, its a cancer for society, thats what i think. |
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