Is it really good and safe to use?

i've been reading about sarms a few months ago. it supposed to work exactly like steroids without all the negative side-effects, you don't have to inject yourself like some drug addict and it requires no cycling... it sounds to good to be true for me. i'm skeptical.

it comes in pill or liquid form. based on research and online reviews, it is safe to use with the same results as steroids but becareful because SARMS is not regulated by any health organisation so there are a lot of fake or placebo stuff out there disguised as SARMS.

if youre planning to use it for shortcut to get a good bod with subpar lifting and diet routine and probably less than a year experience, have fun with a subpar and mediocre result at the expense of possible health issues

I just bought a bottle. But afraid to start after some consideration.

shouldn’t you read it up before you even purchase it?

It is chemical enhancement no matter how one justifies it. Anything which suppresses your testosterone levels is NOT natural and you will no longer be considered natty.

And you need a small PCT after a course of SARMS.

Kinda logical yes?

Well if you've already bought it might as well just use it... How long does that bottle gonna last you think?

This post has been edited by internaldisputes: Feb 20 2018, 05:24 PM

Since SARMs supress test alot anyway i rather run it on a cycle, replacing orals such as dbol, anadrol, tbol which have severe sides.

What i find appealing about sarms is them being androgenic / lipids side effects free except for supression.

Wont run it standalone due to supression.

This post has been edited by Armesh: Feb 20 2018, 07:26 PM

It does suppress testosterone but once you stop using it , the testosterone will go up on its own. That it is why SARMs tend to be used in a cylical way.
There are very limited researches on SARM especially on possible side effects from a long term basis. I did come across a couple of research papers where the SARMs benefited older people and those with cancer in clinical trials.

Steroids, however, have known established long term side effects, which can be debilitating.

No, with responsible use no.
Natural test also bounces back to normal even after a Nandrolone Decanoate cycle.

But why do you even need it?

Are you a doctor?
Or have you done proper peer reviewed research on those who take steroids responsibly and followed them up long term?
Or do you have any peer reviewed published research to back up your claim that responsible use of steroids do not cause long term side effects?

They been around since the 1960s, widely used, and almost all sides are known.
Not a "new" novel medicine.

Like how Deca will cause heart ventricle thickening, and long term continuous can cause heart issues
Like how Oxandrolone (Anavar) tottaly fucks your lipid, and keeping a horrible lipid profile long term can cause heart disease
Like how DBOL highly converts to methyl estradiol and is very straining on the liver, so running 80mg for few months is a sure fire way to get jaundice & liver failure.

Same for the painkillers you can buy OTC like ibuprofen/naproxen. Irresponsible long term use can cause stroke/internal bleeding!

It's known. Be educated and use responsibly.

This post has been edited by Armesh: Mar 11 2018, 11:34 AM

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This post has been edited by DeAct: Apr 9 2024, 11:38 PM

im kinda interested to know the result of SARMS..know a guy in insta dat sells them..

anyone here tried before...?..

Buy from reputable source.
You might get undosed shit or worse Anadrol/DBOL. That instagram bioscience stuff is sooooo sketchy.

Go get Androgen Pharma or Pure science (they are trusted brand)

Do get the liquid dose to be safe.

I bought a bottle of Bioscience Ostarine, the one that so many gym bros were selling on IG. I was searching for reviews for a long time, but couldn't find any for Bioscience specifically, although reviews for Ostarine in general seemed very positive. End of March, I decided to start an Ostarine only cycle, 25 mg each day, even though there were still no reliable reviews. I am now 3.5 weeks into the cycle.

My experience:

- First few days: very vivid and continuous dreams at night, so when I woke up, I did not feel rested. However, other Ostarine users have reported this, so it seemed normal.

- First two weeks: Nothing too noticeable, but the pumps did seem to last all day, which felt nice. Strength increased, but within what seems to be a normal range for me. I am trying to do a cut, but even though I reduced some carbs, I did not lose any fat. This might be due to me not cutting enough carbs from my diet. I did gain a minimum amount of muscle though, even though I cut total calories, so that was kind of cool too. Sex-wise everything was normal.

- End of third week until today: I started to feel like there was slight suppression. Felt tired even though I had enough sleep; my eyes feel a bit strained. Mood was a bit low on Mon and Tues, but felt better yesterday and today. Importantly, I was starting to have difficulties getting an erection, which is not a problem I have ever had before. Body-wise, starting to lose some weight, and my body does feel tighter.

I have never tried PEDs before. I value my health. The whole point of using SARMS is that there is supposed to be no or minimal suppression; you're supposed to be able to use this stuff for a 6-8 week cycle without feeling suppressed, and some people say there is no need for PCT (although others say you should still do it). And yet, I am undergoing some suppression (just based on symptoms and how I'm feeling) after only 3 full weeks on a low dosage. So either my body really cannot take any of this stuff, or the stuff I'm using isn't pure or of good quality, which is concerning because then you wonder what the hell it is you are actually taking and what it is doing to you.

I have now decided to stop the cycle due to the above uncertainties. If anyone else has experience with Bioscience SARMS, would appreciate hearing about your experience.

For what? You competing? Making money off your bod?

Just an update from me. I am feeling more normal now (sexual function back to normal, not feeling exhausted, etc). Stopped taking the Bioscience ostarine on 20 April thereabouts.

I just did a kidney and liver test yesterday, and the results show that my liver enzymes are out of range (a bit on the high side, but not at a critical/dangerous level that requires medical attention). Hmm... I had never had this before either.

Back to "natural bodybuilding" for me!

What the seller response?

do you ask them before taking SARM or do own research

Thanks for sharing

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This post has been edited by DeAct: Apr 9 2024, 11:46 PM

I have used before Bioscience (triple stack)- S4, GW, & MK. Both liquid and tablet form. Did not really have the side effects like you mention except for the yellow tint in my vision as well as night vision affected (temporary blindness if it is pitch black). Did it for 3 months. Did not do any PCT.

Went for medical check up. Full blood tests as well as kidney and liver test.. everything was normal.. starting my another cycle soon..


Just for info sharing..

I did not complain to the seller or anything. I don't think there's any point to do so. Just take it as a lesson learnt.

Yes, I did ask for info when I bought the SARM, but was assured there would be no side effects etc.

Lucky you. I guess everyone is different and will have different reactions to these things.

tried Mk-2866. it gives u good strength and pumps. but its not steroid like gains as expected. its good for those who wanna stay natural

lol sorry. The moment you started SARMS you've pretty much surrendered your natty card. Though you can still boast about being "steroid free"

Hey guys, well here’s my story. I’ve been wanting to try sarms for quite awhile now and have done a lot of research regarding sarms. From what I’ve learned sarms do give you side effects, yes it does. However they’re not as severe as steroids, especially if u dose them right. The biggest fear is ofcourse, liver toxicity.. well anyways, after spending months researching and trying to make a decision, I finally decided to give it a try. I’m 23 years old, I work out atleast 5 days a week 1.5-2 hours a day. My diet isn’t 100% on point but I do eat well and make sure my protein intake is sufficient.
Back to the sarms, I went along and bought some nolvadex and some decent test boosters to set aside for PCT. after I bought those I went and bought MK2866 (OSTARINE) and LGD-4033 (LIGANDROL).

I’m doing a 12 week cycle.
For my first 4 weeks I ran only 25mg of ostarine once every day. The reason why I decided to do this was so that if there were any negative side effects I’d know which one of the sarms were giving me those side effects.

The first 4 weeks had past and I didn’t notice any changes. Fuck. I remember reading some articles saying that it takes about 4-6 weeks for the sarms to get into your system and bla bla bla ( work it’s magic )
After week 4 I added LGD to my cycle and took 25mg of ostarine + 10mg of ligandrol everyday.
I’m now at week 8. I’ve not notice any changes.. well nothing out of the ordinary, it’s like I’m only taking protein and nothing else but protein.

I’ve got 4 weeks more to go. I’ll update once my cycle is done. But so far I feel like I’ve wasted rm800 🔥

I’m using bioscience. Maybe mine are fake. Next cycle I will be ordering from US directly. Almost same price just a little more expensive due to shipping and it seems to be a reliable source

If rm800, might as well do proper steroids

stay updating your cycle and stay safe

Tested before. So far the results are fine.

Mattyboii, what side effects do you experience so far?

which and where do you get it?

Order from US

can you please share the website?

Maybe one day but I dont plan to start jabbing just yet

This post has been edited by Mattyboii: Nov 27 2018, 09:55 PM

Im only in my 8 week right now, entering my 9th week in 2 days.
so far no harsh side effects just sometimes i feel extra tired. no balls shrinking no puffy nipples nothing yet.
but as ive mentioned gains wise also nothing amazing just yet

Hey guys just an update, Im about to enter week 9-12,
I'm deciding to switch to a different brand to see how it goes. im thinking either androgen pharma or pure science labs or alpha labs. any recommendations?
I have gotten some gains on my week 1-8 with bioscience lgd and ostarine, however the gains ive gotten are very minimal and arent like what you read about on the internet.
i still have 4 more weeks so maybe im speaking to soon, so do stay tuned on my update

as far as side effects goes. I havent gotten any acne/balls shrinking/loss of sex drive/gyno, NONE. only sometimes if i take my doses too early in the morning i feel very tired for the rest of the day. usually test boosters make me feel alittle better so maybe its abit of testosterone suppression. will update again once i decide which brand to buy.. do give me some recommendations and where to buy them thank you.

This post has been edited by Mattyboii: Nov 27 2018, 10:03 PM

hemm now i feel tempted to try but i really dont know how to control the cycle thingy lol

LOL! if SARMS aint natural then why are you guys not just taking steroids instead? At least it works for sure

Lol Ppl are taking this shit because they claimed that the side effects are supposedly lesser or near to none. However there are plenty of ppl that mentionsl suppression of natural test even though at low dose of Ostarine. So go figure. Don't get me started on the vision loss etc with some other version of it (check out Ryan Casey).

Not gonna point any fingers but when you've been working out consistently for few years, you should be able to tell who's on something and who's not.

This post has been edited by axtray: Nov 29 2018, 06:21 PM

Only S4 causes temporarily vission probems. Simple, avoid it.
Stick to LGD, RAD, Osta.

Yes they cause about 50% suppression. But they greatly lower SHBG giving you more free testosterone. So in the end you have same usable test in your system.

But LGD is very suppressive to the point even your free test will be lowered, even at 1mg.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4111291/


Ostarine doesn't lower free test.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3177038/


This post has been edited by Armesh: Nov 30 2018, 09:15 PM

Hi

So would you still reccomend lgd4033 stacking with mk677? have you tried it before? if yes, which brand?

heres one, www.purerawz.com

No, MK677 with give you 0 muscle gains.
GH is more for nice skin, hair/nail growth, joint/tendon healing.

so what kind of stacks are you using?

Nothing. Im all natural.

im surprised that this topic is still up

Well I'm interested

i tried GW for 4 weeks then i tried S4. when i start using GW ..i can see the changes..i was informed s4 side effects..so next 5th week i handle s4 with care. keep monitor my workout..its fine ..im now in 2nd week using s4. past few days, when woke up at morning.i can see black/yellow box in eye sigh.. its temporary..when i open light its gone. i use s4 for 5 days per week.. sarms is not safe. if u decide to use it..be careful.. dont go too much

Did you just create an acount just to post this,

thank you for your warnings.

S4 is not safe. Use the correct terms.

Why the fuck do people use S4 anyway, when it's know clearly on the vision sides.

Just use LGD 4033 or RAD, they only have usual suppression sides.

This post has been edited by Armesh: Jun 14 2019, 05:57 PM

Hi Mattboi,any update? What brand u use now?

Just stick to ostarine. No ned cardarine.

Just to correct addon my previous post.

I believe SARMS used in Bodybuilding dosages, e.g Ostarine at 25mg will totally crash your testosterone, producing similar suppression as anabolic steroids.
SARMS don't aromatize, so your Estrogen will also drop to 0.

Hello Guys,

New to sarms here. Anyone which brad would you recommended / the most effective brad here in malaysia?

I think u should order online, the trusted brand i think from Pure Science Labs. Other brands, i dont think its safe enough. Its your body :/

You consume this thing. Please don't get cheapo stuff. Pure Science Labs macam yes.

This early 2019 year is My first experience with SARM after already been doing natural workout for 15 years..


My first attempt is to try every SARM running single compound to see exactly what the effect it will be doing to my body then after that i choose which one is the best combo to run double or triple stack.

My first test is to try Alpha Laboratories Ostarine MK-2866, this sarms is really amazing in week 3, that the result really shows to my muscle symmetry shape changing,i can see my muscle separation detail really come out & it was a lean gains & my fat really reduced more.

My second attempt is to try Alpha Laboratories RAD-140..this SARMS for me it holds what muscle i already gain after my first Ostarine Cycle finished. The most obvious result is the strength gain i get much more better than just using ostarine.

Then the third recent now i run is MuscleMax LGD-4033...this sarms really give me a much more a good strength,pump & muscle size enlargement but it really holds water under my skin.

i think Ostarine is the most balance from this 3 sarms i already tried,but it need to combo with strength effect sarms to push more from my workout, next test maybe i will experiment with S-4,MK-677 & YK-11.

What i can say, you will never feel want to go back to natural workout after experienced with sarms, it's worth the result you want.

This post has been edited by Shah.Legno: Dec 2 2019, 02:48 PM

Ostarine to retain muscle on a cut so i guess you're probably on deficit. Not much of a strength gain but adds endurance.

You better get your bloodwork checked bro before going another cycle.

For now,in market already available 3 in 1 Sarms combo in 1 capsule ready like Ultimate Sarms, Testrobig,Testrolen & Testromix.

The good thing it's value for your money when u compare buying separately different type of Sarms for stacking.U can save a lot of money at least RM300.

Quiet curious how efficient this premix Sarms combo will perform the result.

Hope anyone here can share their opinion if somebody already try it.

Yeah but u haven't include PCT.

You definitely must take PCT if u stack like that.

SARMS are just like oral steroids without liver toxicity and less power, they still fully suppress HTPA once you hit Week 3.
So you need run Test at TRT dose (100mg/week) or HCG (900iu/week) with SARMS to have Test in your body.
Test is important to maintain normal E2 levels and other bodily functions.

E2 crash = joint pain

This post has been edited by Armesh: Dec 4 2019, 01:32 AM

im doing some research on SARMS and thinking about to try anytime soon, a hard gainer, what would be a nice stack? Rad 140 and LGD 4033 look good. any advise? and which brand would be the pure one. heard pure science labs will be the best choice. TQ

I would advise ppl not to take it if still dont know about macro, workout plan, calories, etc.

When u on this kinda thing it put u in risk so u must make use of it while u in cycle but if u lack of experience as above then you're putting urself at risk for no result or probably worse.

Do you ever try any of the SARMS?

Only ostarine. I wouldn't go for anything higher as require PCT.

Real men run Dbol

Lol u run it first then and let me know.

On!

Show me in whatsapp group then.. kakakaka!

already buy some stuff, but can't use it to workout for a while since the corona thing to stay at home for 2 weeks

I was reading quite abit on SARMs (since got too much free time during MCO). Won't lie as well it now piqued my interest since at my age, I can feel that I am not able to fully recover and workout as intense as I was 5 years ago when I first started.

To the people who had tried, planning to do it again or first time trying, please invest some money to:

1) Do proper bloodwork before and after the cycle (even better if can during the cycle as well).

2) Have at least a PCT on hand. Different people will react differently. Some people can recover just fine without any PCT but some may not be lucky. If you found out that you are being suppressed and don't have PCT on hand, you risk on losing all those hard earned gains during the cycle.

Instead of just googling SARMs and reading on them on some webs, try and go to forums and read other people’s actual feedback. Most website you will notice that at the end of the article they will be promoting their product so the article can be abit biased towards the product’s good side.

You know many things are safe to use until people gets impatient and overdo.

Lol that's true.

How's life during MCO. At least gym's reopening again next week.

Bought a pair of DB and Pull up bar. First week only then lazy. Totally different feeling compare to gym.

So 2months+ no workout already.

I see u bought urself a few stuff.

Thats exactly what happened to me. First 2 weeks bw workout. 3rd week onwarda didnt bother.

Haha probably best investment ive made so far. But quite sad on how quick i lost my chest strength in mere 2 months. Cut and strength gain dont really go hand in hand.

Can. Just need reduce overall volume and lower the rep range. Higher risk of injury though.

All you need is 200mg TestE + 40mg Anavar/Turinabol. Safe, Simple.


I workout wayy better at home. Consistent gains.
Something about dressing up,walking to car, driving to the gym, and waiting for equipment just fucks my mood.

This post has been edited by Armesh: Jun 11 2020, 10:44 PM

so far still satisfy with my body and strength. at most also sarms at low dose only.

me cannot workout at home. mind keep asking me to go gaming. good la that u can workout at home consistently..

Just sharing my experience to help those who are looking or thinking of starting sarms cycle

Somewhere end March (MCO) bought this Nekrolab Bulk (100caps)

contains LGD4033,MK677,YK11

Starting body weight 55kg, body composition/ structure very bad, because i did not or very less exercise
no muscle, just bones only haha.

so corona virus strikes, basically no outdoor activities i have decided to give it a try la,

was skeptical at first, but i bought it anyway.

Started with 2 caps per day, split it morning 7am and 4pm, so 1 bottle enough for 50days@2caps per day (near to 2 mths)

Push up from 15 reps 3sets, by end of cycle 30 reps, 5set maybe effect from LGD4033

Eat like crazy, mouth just feel like chewing, confirm effect from MK677

muscle growth, very visible at the end of cycle, especially chest, arms, shoulder, back but not to shredded extent la.

Weight at end of cycle 61/62 kg vs starting weight 54.5kg only

Diet: MMX Protein 2xper day sake with full cream milk, eat everything, im thin 54.5kg so yeah, doesnt matter that much.

now just start to run solo on YK11.

just bought 2 bottles of liquid RAD140 and LGD4033, taste so bad i cannot even finish it, taken it for a week, stop because the taste is so bad.

whatever bad taste you have tasted before in your life, liquid sarms multiply that bad x10000000, so think before you get liquid sarms. because some say liquid is more potent than pills, stupid me, end up i just know it all started as powder and theres reason why they maufacture in liquid form.

Grow up and do some Dbol.
Safer, Time Tested, FDA Approved, Sides known.... and effective!

Ok

my god.. and here i thought i've seen worse in reddit.

whats your stats atm.

Malaysia juicers, extra stupid.

YK11 has never been tested on rats, let alone human..., the only tests were done on petri dish on cells in the lab. You really asking for cancers bro?

First of all DO NOT TAKE SARMS. They are not for human consumption even though some companies marketed them as dietary supplements. These are unregulated drugs and u might not even get what you're paying for. You might buy MK2866 or LGD but laced with dbol, other steroids , prohormones or even placebos...we simply won't know.

But if were to take sarms, chances are you dont wanna take steroids becuz of needles or the side effects. Many people claim sarms does not have side effects, but in fact it does namely test suppression.

I have only taken MK2866 and GW501516 from BioScience UK. I take it becuz im an idiot and don't do sarms if you value your health. Dont be an idiot.

My dosage for ostarine is 12.5mg for the first 4 weeks to see how it works and then bumped it up to 25mg for week 5 and drop back to 12.5mg in week 6. My experience with ostarine is gaining lean muscle and losing a little bit of fat and my muscles seems more toned and my strength have never been higher as i was natty before this. Though the results are not phenomenal but definitely alot better and stronger when i was natty, so ostarine really worked for me. After 6 weeks im done with my cycle and proceed to pct (im currently doing the pct). Dont listen to anyone who tells you you dont need a pct after sarms, you definitely need it.

My dosage for cardarine is 10mg for 2 weeks during my 4th week of ostarine. Endurance definitely increased, being able to workout longer from usually 1 hr to 2 hrs without feeling winded. Cardarine alone will not need a pct as it is not hormonal.

Side effects of ostarine for me is test suppression, feeling tired after 3 weeks of using it. Pumps in the gym is like nothing I've felt before. Just feeling really tired and groggy during work. No acne, hair loss or gyno.

Side effects of cardarine for me is my body temperature is a bit higher, feels really hot even with aircon...so feeling hot and lethargic isnt the best combo, hence why i stopped using gw after 2 weeks.

For pct i recommend nolvadex. Im not a doctor so im not sure what dosage to use but i personally use 20mg everyday for 4 weeks and wait another month without any sarms or roids to let your body prepare for the next cycle (if you plan to do another cycle). HCG and femara is too strong and shld only be used as pct for steroids and clomid is not recommended bcuz nolvadex is basically better and easier to get.

If you wanna learn more about this kind of stuff, just watch greg doucette and mpmd on youtube. Ryan russo and ryan ankrom too. They're non bs.

If you plan to take PEDs, take it at your own risk. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but who am i to tell you what to do. Im just a regular gym bro who likes this kind of stuff. Hope this is informational

Dbol is like...one of the worst steroids u can take. Liver toxic and highly estrogenic. It is not any safer, maybe yours is faked or underdosed. Gains for dbol will not stay and you will end up worse than before you start. Bloating and puffy isnt exactly the most attractive to many ppl. Tbol is a better option in my opinion.

Please PM me your source for Nolvadex and SARMs.

bro mind sharing your age range? Am looking for a liquid cardarine so far shortlisted Androgen Pharma. Any advice? thank you.

Sup. This is Derek from More plates more dates.
Which I like to call more plates for dates than last time.

Idk where but i saw you duggested anavar. Can you suggest which anavar i should go with? I mean which supplier or any link thwt would help

Very good channel to learn about anabolics.
Everyone should spend 6+ months watching his every video before ever touching anything.
But of course Malaysians are lazy and stupid. Just listen to abangs at gym easier.

I dunno man. Just dun buy anything from Shopee. No I never buy it before.
Oxandrolone is one of the most expensive anabolics gram per gram. So its faked alot.
For women you will need be extra careful to make sure its real.

this sounds like a very tedious practice

Do you have any idea who sell original turkesterone in malaysia?
Greg doucette sells it. Not sure if i buy from him, will kena stop by kastam or not.
Its some natural stuff found in spinach etc etc.
Just like creatine found in red meat