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 LYN F1 V15 Season, Continuation from V14 2017

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andrekua2
post Jul 18 2021, 10:32 PM

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This would be hard to judge.

First, it's a flat out corner with some liftoff. Lewis had to lift more considering his angle compared to Max. Thus Max thought he could maintained his position with his superior position which allowed him to carry more speed into the corner. However I think he over estimated the gap thus turning into a Mercedes that won't suddenly disappeared. I don't think Lewis is prepared to brake to let him go through nicely because Charles is just behind.

Who's wrong? I think it's something that Senna did many times. I parked my car there, you make the decision mate...
andrekua2
post Jul 18 2021, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ Jul 18 2021, 10:36 PM)
its the situation you back out lah..you lah..im not you lah!!

racing incident, end of story..sucks for max but its racing
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https://youtu.be/Dzi9lrTWWD4

The aerial video showed Max hesitated, let Lewis get alongside, then weave onto the racing line on the outside, and steer sharply into the Mercedes path.
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post Jul 18 2021, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jul 18 2021, 11:06 PM)
Yes but he still left some room in the apex while LH trajectory went wide off the apex, hence the penalty.
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Just rechecked yesterday sprint qualifying.

Yesterday Lewis tried the outside and failed to overtake. Today he tried the inside and get the penalty. Same corner.

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post Jul 18 2021, 11:59 PM

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Lewis overtook Charles.....

Charles gave Lewis more room....
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post Jul 19 2021, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Jul 19 2021, 12:02 AM)
Look like he got some snapped...maybe engine cut-off
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I would say that's because carrying more speed but slightly off racing line.
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post Jul 19 2021, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Jul 19 2021, 12:02 AM)
Basically went off
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I think Charles played it safe. Rather than losing everything.

Different mentality compared to Max.
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post Jul 19 2021, 12:09 AM

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I think the only regret in this race is that it's not Max vs Lewis.

However I think he collected himself up really well after that incident.
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post Jul 19 2021, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Jul 19 2021, 12:08 AM)
Now I'm glad MV was out, at least spice up the race with Hamilton doing hunter role instead of borefest MV leading at front by 20 sec, haha.
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When Merc dominated, you want they crash or mishaps...

Now RBR dominated, you want RBR crash or mishaps...

Pening...
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post Jul 19 2021, 04:37 AM

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QUOTE(outpace @ Jul 19 2021, 01:30 AM)
The first 3 seconds showed Max was defending hard, keeping Lewis to his right on the straight, he probably expecting Lewis to back off when approaching the apex, but I doubt he would back off if he were to driving in Lewis car at that point. Max has been keeping his elbow out since 1st race  (Imola where Lewis backed off to avoid collision), many seeing their collision coming inevitably and now it comes at Max's cost.

All competitive drivers (AS, NM, MS, FA, LW, MV) do that, placing their car in a position that force the counterpart to choose whether to close the gap and bet on coming out better off or not.

To me, it was racing incident.
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It could go either way. Actually Lewis made 2 similar moves, once during the sprint qualifying and the other on race day. He went outside after Max defended the inside but couldn't overtake. The next day he went inside and the rest is history.

Although Lewis got penalised, I think Max made a misjudgement to turn into the corner, the way he did. I used misjudgement because both cars are side by side with Max being less than half a car just before the turn in. Despite knowing that it's impossible to take the racing line with two cars side by side, he still went for it. Technically its not wrong for him to take the racing line which I agreed but from a risk/reward POV, the risk that he took overweight the reward. Yes, he might have lose a position if he took a more conservative approach, but its just the first lap. Whereas for Lewis, he knew very well what he had to do to prevent Max from running away in first position which is the risk he's willing to take. It's just like many of the overtaking we have seen in the past. Once the pursuer get alongside or make a lunge, the persuer had the benefit of doubt that he will get a penalty if he caused a collision but wouldn't affect his position since he's still behind the car being pursued or get a clean pass due to evasive/preventive action from car in front to avoid an accident.

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post Jul 22 2021, 03:21 PM

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If Mercedes could unsettled RBR by this much over 1 weekend, I cant wait for the rest of the season.

Meanwhile RBR and Mad Max fans should enjoy this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkAoSghdD6Y

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post Jul 23 2021, 07:22 AM

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QUOTE(sp6068 @ Jul 23 2021, 02:21 AM)
2nd Spring race is taking place in Monza. Did not expect them to have it on this track.
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Sprint race is a double edge sword. If you did well, you could gain multiple places and then some more in the actual race the next day. Sucks if you're Perez though.

Personally I think sprint race idea is interesting but I don't really like it thus far. F1 cars are different compared to F2, and faster cars get the chance to do some damage limitations if you messed up the qualifying. I do support the reduced track running time so that teams can't run too many track simulations.

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post Jul 28 2021, 10:34 AM

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LoL
RBR is losing it...
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post Jul 29 2021, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Jul 28 2021, 08:06 PM)
Appeal to FIA is normal, anything to at least throw your opponents off balance... Last time we have spygate, crashgate etc... More dramatic
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I think RBR is kidding themselves the longer they delve into the debate. They should focus on winning it. If they could overturn this, imagine what it will be like for future races. Everyone will file for review and revise punishment. Even Max is avoiding the debate which is brilliant IMO. It sucks but move on.

Young racers like MV, Leclerc etc they all built up a reputation for being crazily aggressive which is why others have been taking avoiding actions or didnt race wheel to wheel with them regularly. You dont know when they will explode. However, maybe Lewis aggression might signal a change in the grid. Hope the older guys will give these youngsters a taste of their own medicine.
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post Jul 29 2021, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(Aydee @ Jul 29 2021, 10:20 AM)
I think this is normal practice. Only usually it's not known to the public. Mercedes, Ferrari all did it before. This case somehow got sensationalized.
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I think it's different because RBR still trying to change the result of British GP.
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post Jul 29 2021, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Jul 29 2021, 02:11 PM)
Isn't every appeal trying to do the same?
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Most of the time to reinstate a position due to penalty. I cant remember if appealing for harsher penalty or disqualify a driver that has been penalized during the GP because they think the penalty is too light.
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post Jul 30 2021, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(sp6068 @ Jul 29 2021, 04:39 PM)
...And Charles Leclerc wins the British GP! 🤣
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Big slap on RBR face... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

I think RBR will instruct Max to go home and play F1 2020 24/7 to find the perfect spot to lunge into Lewis in Hungary laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif .
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post Jul 30 2021, 11:32 PM

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LoL... RBR is really trying very hard to make themselves look like idiots when they already were.
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post Jul 31 2021, 10:11 PM

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Expecting RBR to launch some sort of simulation or complaint.
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post Jul 31 2021, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(ReVolVolution @ Jul 31 2021, 10:11 PM)
LH is really good at this game playing.
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Rewind back to 2007... This is nothing...
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post Jul 31 2021, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jul 31 2021, 10:12 PM)
Mercs dupe RB! 😆 RB would start on supposedly not ideal tires too. Underestimate the 7 time champs at your own peril!
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Hard to say... RBR is still gentler with tires wear compared to Mercedes. If RBR managed to get pass on first lap then its worth it.

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