Yeah i know the feeling.. if its drive so good that u even dont care how much it cost on how to take care of it.. hehe

Some people do love that kind of car.. me too, but i kinda regret after sell the car just to get good RV, good FC and cheap price for maintenance.. well we just need to know when we need to step back a little bit to jump to even higher goal..

What year are those cars?

So if I buy vento 70-80k I will need 170k cash ?

2011 peugeot
2012 VW
2013 Proton
2014 made (bought 2015) ford

This post has been edited by Boy96: Oct 9 2017, 12:29 PM

TS have you test drive the jetta?

As i mentioned earlier, the figure i gave excluded the wear and tear replacement parts. If u want to include all of those detail parts in, might as well include the tires, road tax, insurance, timing belt if any, fan motor, wiper blade, AC fan belt, alternator and etc and etc too lol.

FYI, most will not follow owner's manual after warranty period. And last but not the least who the hell knows what will break down in the coming years lol. Just get a car you are happy with and comfortable with the yearly expenses. The rest will follow naturally.

Is Jetta problems solved?

In your dream
Only higher end model like golf gti cc is using wet clutch
Others still using dry clutch

U buy and let us know

It's too complicated to answer yes or no. The best I can say is that it is improved over older Jettas but still nowhere near as reliable as Jap cars.

I take it as you are not sure and want me to try. In fact I am looking for a used Jetta that is still under warranty in good condition and priced fair.

VW is higher class than Jap cars?

It is time to stop the nonsense about dry clutch urban myth.
Understand the issue, be sensible and stop spreading dry clutch is less reliable that wet clutch - again myth.

There issues were 2 issues really. I broken down for you. Read carefully and judge yourself, hope you learn something to day and stop the false myth moving forward.

1) mechatronics failure. This is really small robotic arms to engage/disengage a gear. It is not related to the clutches. Just like when you drive manual car, you disengage your clutch to disconnect engine output to gear box, the shift the gear. Only that in DCT/SMG/DSG, the shifting is done by computer via the mechatronic. Now that the mechatronics problem is resolved, but when it happens it affect both dry and wet clutch.

2) Excessive clutch wear. This is where the urban myth stated by confusing this problem with problem one together as single problem. This is simply due to software logic to handle low speed traffic. The logic doesn't properly handle the stop go traffic and in the half engaged stage for excessive time. Again just like when you drive manual car, try hold your car by engine power (without brake of course) on a hill. Mild throttle, and half release the clutch. Hang on there for 5 min, you will smell your clutch burning. Lastly, this is a matter of software fix by improving the logic.

Additional knowledge - Then why do we have dry and wet clutch? Each gear box is designed to handle a maximum torque, no matter manual/conventional auto/dual clutch. If engine torque exceed the gearbox rating, the clutch(s) slip. Wet clutch can handle higher torque by dissipating heat via the fluid that covering the clutches, generally wet clutch dual clutch designed for torque over 400nm. So it doesn't make sense to put wet clutch in every car, and further more dry clutch have less resistance and provide better fuel economy.

This post has been edited by constant_weight: Jan 7 2018, 03:01 PM

It doesn't matter that dry clutches have improved. The widespread dry clutch DSG failure a few years ago have forever emblazoned in the public's mind that dry clutches are unreliable.

which came to conclusion that, STAY AWAY from VW cars.

Not last time, not now and definitely not later.

am i right?

in the world of consumerism, perception trumps facts and dictates value

That's makes you a car enthusiast even more important, which is to share the right info and teach normal people the correct information and technical knowledge. Do your best to correct this twisted misleading information, no only on the forums but also teach the uncles/aunties in the family.

Then why the Tiguan was fitted with a wet clutch instead of the dry one? Why would VM highlight this in the marketing materials?

Your explanation seem to highlight that those items are as wear n tear, ie mechatronics, clutch etc. However there are many vw owner do suffer of the dsg problem at most vw model. After several years, vw Malaysia come out with new solutions for both dry and wet clutch dsg, ie with using mineral oil in the dsg gb. Up until now, there is no prove that this solutions will prevent any problem arise in future related with the dsg. Correct me if im wrong.

The VW in China do give 10 years warranty for the gb. Here it still 5 years.

It is not anybody's job except VW's to educate and change consumers' perception of dry clutch DSG. Unfortunately perception sticks like Proton's infamous power windows failure. Proton fought against the perception and finally had to give very long warranty for the power windows to convince consumers. VW should do the same instead of keep mouthing that the DSG problems have been solved which won't convince consumers.

Not sure if it perception as there are vw owner from fb group sharing the famous DSG light up within the warranty period. Yes it is covered under warranty, averagely need 3 days at sc, foc all.

But will the problem repeated in future? Yes. Based on the owner sharing.
Is there any bullet prove solutions for the dsg, no so far from what i read