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ayamxxx
post Oct 3 2017, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Oct 3 2017, 08:50 AM)
VW cars from 2015 onwards are quite reliable. Most of the notorious DSG gearbox issues have been solved.
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resolved through change using from synthetic oil to mineral oil for transmission oil?
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post Oct 3 2017, 10:51 AM

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how much to change those called mechatronic and clutch?
found many user have to change this by own as it wear and tear parts
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post Oct 3 2017, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(tom_tombak @ Oct 3 2017, 01:33 PM)
I think current vw car already use wet clutch no more bad issue
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Think that u have mistaken about dry vs wet clutch. All high end vw using wet clutch especially 2.0 passat, gti and few.

Rest base vw model using 7 gear dry clutch, as passat 1.8, jetta, polo etc.

Doesn’t matter, both have to change mechatronic, clutch after certain time/ mileage due to wear and tear. Sometimes it happen before certain mileage due to driving patterns.
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post Oct 4 2017, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(mozact89 @ Oct 3 2017, 09:54 PM)
Im owner of 2014 jetta.. twincharge engine.. dq200 dry clutch gearbox.. current mileage 93k.. so far claim warranty for change clutch once, mecha once, coil once..

I can say its pretty reliable.. current my car been use by my wife to travel outstation (Bangi-Jb). I can say 2 weeks once she travel.. she have Alza, but duwan to use. She prefer to drive my Jetta if going oustation.

If u talk about new jetta, with single charge engine, actually the maintenance cost is higher than the twincharge engine. Its using timing belt and need to change every 115k(according to book). The cost of changing the timing belt in SC is RM37++..

The highest cost for maintaining twincharge engine in SC is rm1700. (60k service).

After using my jetta for almost 4 years, i would like to say, i never regret buying this car..
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U check vw malaysia website for 120k major service price. Most model charging starting around 3k above for that mileage services.

That if following booklet requirements not include any other wear and tear parts should require during that 120k km.

Then there’s mechatronic, clutch that is under wear and tear
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post Oct 4 2017, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Oct 3 2017, 09:54 PM)
Never mind la

let them syiok sendiri.

look at them LOL
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Almost 4k at 120k km


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post Oct 5 2017, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Oct 5 2017, 08:53 AM)
Yes. If you want to own a conti car, you need to be prepared to afford the ownership (maintenance & running cost). They are fun to drive.

Yeah, i did read your previous post. Japanese cars with engine displacement of 2000 cc & larger, the ownership cost is indeed quite high.

It would not be a fuss if you can afford it. With affordability, you can own a car that you want, not a car that you have to compromise based on your budget
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For japanese 2.4 engine most service if follow book, most around 500-700. never exceed 1k so far (1000km service till 80k km now)

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post Jan 7 2018, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Jan 7 2018, 03:01 PM)
It is time to stop the nonsense about dry clutch urban myth.
Understand the issue, be sensible and stop spreading dry clutch is less reliable that wet clutch - again myth.

There issues were 2 issues really. I broken down for you. Read carefully and judge yourself, hope you learn something to day and stop the false myth moving forward.

1) mechatronics failure. This is really small robotic arms to engage/disengage a gear. It is not related to the clutches. Just like when you drive manual car, you disengage your clutch to disconnect engine output to gear box, the shift the gear. Only that in DCT/SMG/DSG, the shifting is done by computer via the mechatronic. Now that the mechatronics problem is resolved, but when it happens it affect both dry and wet clutch.

2) Excessive clutch wear. This is where the urban myth stated by confusing this problem with problem one together as single problem. This is simply due to software logic to handle low speed traffic. The logic doesn't properly handle the stop go traffic and in the half engaged stage for excessive time. Again just like when you drive manual car, try hold your car by engine power (without brake of course) on a hill. Mild throttle, and half release the clutch. Hang on there for 5 min, you will smell your clutch burning. Lastly, this is a matter of software fix by improving the logic.

Additional knowledge - Then why do we have dry and wet clutch? Each gear box is designed to handle a maximum torque, no matter manual/conventional auto/dual clutch. If engine torque exceed the gearbox rating, the clutch(s) slip. Wet clutch can handle higher torque by dissipating heat via the fluid that covering the clutches, generally wet clutch dual clutch designed for torque over 400nm. So it doesn't make sense to put wet clutch in every car, and further more dry clutch have less resistance and provide better fuel economy.
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Your explanation seem to highlight that those items are as wear n tear, ie mechatronics, clutch etc. However there are many vw owner do suffer of the dsg problem at most vw model. After several years, vw Malaysia come out with new solutions for both dry and wet clutch dsg, ie with using mineral oil in the dsg gb. Up until now, there is no prove that this solutions will prevent any problem arise in future related with the dsg. Correct me if im wrong.

The VW in China do give 10 years warranty for the gb. Here it still 5 years.



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post Jan 8 2018, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Jan 8 2018, 12:12 PM)
It is not anybody's job except VW's to educate and change consumers' perception of dry clutch DSG. Unfortunately perception sticks like Proton's infamous power windows failure. Proton fought against the perception and finally had to give very long warranty for the power windows to convince consumers. VW should do the same instead of keep mouthing that the DSG problems have been solved which won't convince consumers.
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Not sure if it perception as there are vw owner from fb group sharing the famous DSG light up within the warranty period. Yes it is covered under warranty, averagely need 3 days at sc, foc all.

But will the problem repeated in future? Yes. Based on the owner sharing.
Is there any bullet prove solutions for the dsg, no so far from what i read

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post Jan 8 2018, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Jan 8 2018, 12:12 PM)
It is not anybody's job except VW's to educate and change consumers' perception of dry clutch DSG. Unfortunately perception sticks like Proton's infamous power windows failure. Proton fought against the perception and finally had to give very long warranty for the power windows to convince consumers. VW should do the same instead of keep mouthing that the DSG problems have been solved which won't convince consumers.
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China VW give 10 years warranty for the DSG. Hopefully ours VW can give the same duration.

Else we have to spend own money to replace the famous dsg parts

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post Jan 12 2018, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Jan 12 2018, 12:25 AM)
And must the car be serviced by authorised workshop for the warranty to be valid for 10 years? Pocket koyak.
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better than koyak for changing new gb by own money

 

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