Anybody knows what is the proper channel to lodge complain against those who rent out RUMAWIP? Seems like my area Pandanmas a lot of weird ppl in and out.

call and email DBKL???

not sure if the customer service will take it seriously - they are likely more towards helping rather than taking actions. i think just need to send those ads links in mudah, iproperty, etc to someone who can take action, then both agents and owner surely kena.

DBKL🍿📺
Weird ppl=foreigner?

MACC

Anti rasuah? Ada kena-mengena?

This post has been edited by heavensea: Aug 17 2017, 01:46 AM

Just saying.
RUMAWIP is for 1st house ownership.
If the owner is renting out, where is he/she staying?
Do they have another house, which violates the rule.
Which means cheating?
Which asked the question how his/her application went through?
Did somone turned a blind eye?

It has begun...!

Lol. Ads listing is everywhere.

Residensi Pandanmas 1, rental price going at RM1300-RM1500.
Proof here: http://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-fo...22MY14%22%7D%7D

Residensi Rampai (850 sqft is RUMAHWIP), rental going at RM1200-RM1400.
Proof here: http://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-fo...22MY14%22%7D%7D

Hmmm .. Stil staying with parents ...

tey lodge a complaint with kementrian wilayah persekutuan, http://kwp.spab.gov.my/eApps/system/index.do

better if u can call KMP and ask if they have any direct email for aduan

Lol I can rent at Tropicana for that kinda pricing

But yes, should report to dbkl, kementerian or even TV3 if TS feels aggrieved. Don't screw the affordable housing buyers by renting it to others.

I think the "rent" part is not stated in S&P and just the period of selling : 10 years barred

But, during application time buyer being informed must be owner occupied ...

I don't agree with TS if the owner + rental living together because it do not breech the rules of "owner stay" ..

If purely rental, then I think it is not fair to those who genuinely want to own a house for themselves ..

Thought of report on such cases too .. Tell me if there is any right channel to do so ..

Tropicana studio size ma taikor.

1+1 okay la.

Rather than rent in unknown area with high density.

Mana untung?

MCA/ UMNO/ MIC / Gerakan or

DAP/ PKR/ Amanah / Pas

they will make it a big issue

to be fair.... alot of rumawip location not unknown one.... haha.... basically all at locations where locals are super familiar with.... maybe with exception of one or two.... but they have over 30 projects..... lolz

Wah so fast already rent out..

Well the problems just started.. And it will get more ugly in future

Yes, not stated in the S&P apart from cannot sell for 10 years. I know because I sign one recently.

yup. guess no choice. i believe renting it out is against the purpose of rumawip. not to mention most tenants don't really take care of the property. few years down the road, it will be another low cost flat. i'd rather have no neighbours than such.

No JMC formed?
This kind of thing need strong JMC inliaise with DBKL to ensure control and prevent abuse from homeowner
And if JMC member also part of those owner who rent out their unit, then basically this is hopeless already la

malaysian really beyond saving nowadays...

I did too .. What project is urs

i would expect people do underground deals. but didnt expect them openly renting it out.

DBKL
KPKT
viral in FB, insta & tweet. cc all those media co

TasikMas.

wow. within rumahwip owner also complain. I always thought that only those normal sales buyers / investors will complain. example hamilton cost 550k, confirm very sure to complain at rumahwip beside 198k wangsamas if they rent out. who knows they will even propose to sponsor free cctv installation at every rumahwip floors level. hehehe.

surely. rumawip is meant for own stay. flippers and investors should look elsewhere. need to teach them a lesson. collecting more evidence to be submitted later.

Idk, I just feel like paying that same amount of rent to stay in a dense area vs additional 200 bucks to stay in an "atas" area, might as I cough up the extra 200 la

I concur with you strongly.

Please make complaints to the relevant departments.

Do you think will it affect the value?

Pay extra also no use .. rental only ma ... but salary can nvr be "atas" .. Typical malaysian mentality try to be rich or appear to be one when not ..

1k (500+500) units hardly, 2-3k all the best.

Why so surprise..
It's Malaysia.. We do it openly..
I'm betting they got connection...

Well might do report to MACC.. Since they very busy now catching people...

Feel like new development moving backward now, creating many bad community..really need to learn how other ppl planning affordable house

This post has been edited by jhuitan: Aug 17 2017, 10:07 PM

Everything im Malai is moving backwards.
Learn from hong kong to make their people suffering lifetime to buy a 550sf mosquito house?

well if today with only 2 completed RUMAHWIP also cannot cope, what do you expect in years to come when many many more RUMAHWIP VP. will be more than 10k units all over KL. authority got hands and legs to handle all? doubt so.

that is true. we'll see. likely nothing will happen unless got big expose in social media or newspaper.

pls do update us on ur progress

At the end is mentality problem (which is beyond saving in Malaysia and perhaps the way to teach these flippers a lesson is to let the property price have a cliff-edge fall, the value of property below the value of their mortgage, i wonder what those flipper thinking when they buy/rent it out...

At the end of the day, a house is a place to stay, not an commodity nor an investment asset. wish malaysian could realise that someday. period.

Diversify lo, dun only concentrate develop klang valley ..put efforts develop other state, ulu places create more working opportunities, ppl will go there work and buy a affordable house stay there for life

Hshaha
So true...
By then, its sure will get much more worse
And I'm sure they would give all kind of excuses why they didn't take action...

Lol
What has corruption has to do with this

This post has been edited by Quang1819: Aug 18 2017, 10:01 AM

anything can change..before this PRIMA moratorium 10 years to 5 years..
might POSSIBLE... RUMAWIP, can be rented but to close relatives...who knows

Election is around the corner..hehe

Sooner or later only. Malaysian will always find a way to twist the terms anyway

the headache is the rental term is nt in SPA..... more ways to play with it....

Or is it on purpose one. Perhaps even government wants to play with it lol

What is the difference between RUMAWIP and PRIMA ah

To those blame invester/flipper, RUMAHWIP have set some requirement for buying this unit. As such, those who qualified are consider "1st house owner" so they are not just typical invester/flipper, they are genuine buyer for own stay during S&P time.

so why do people rent their unit?
1) they might be transfer to other state or oversea so no one occupy the unit
2) they might be going back kampung due to high cost of living in KL
3) they might have purchase another unit after sign s&p and decided to stay there instead of RUMAHWIP
4) they might choose to stay with their parent, and use the rent to cover installment (consider now is not very good time in malaysia)

there are definitely more reason, just hope that sour grape dont complaint so much. think of others perspective.

cannot do anything, same happened to pr1ma project
how many times u wan to report

investor/flipper is 1st time buyer? dun think have a lot..or use other ppl name to buy?

husband own a double story, so wife/son/daughter all get a rumahwip for rental = big income.

if not stated in SPA, but only talk talk, shown on the syarat-syarat at the website, technically izit wrong if ppl rent out their unit?

if government want to take action, on what grounds?

right or wrong, already written in the website that rental is not allowed - whatever reasons you have. i think that will probably have some values in court. and of course this news if you guys missed it before this.

http://www.astroawani.com/berita-malaysia/...n-ku-nan-150049

sorry to say, website and news is just 'saying' only.
S&P is the real deal. Black & white have the biggest value in court.

RUMAWIP focused KL area..(Labuan / putrajaya not sure yet)..
PRIMA all around malaysia if not mistaken..

both hv different criterion

well... if blow water on news and written on website consider as strong values in court... then brochures shown by developer can be use against them already whenever their delivery is different from the brochure or websites shown... but in msia this is not the case....

TS I believe you can lodge complaint to the mgmt of the building? Don't they a committee approved by DBKL to manage the condo?

This is exactly the concern many of us had when these RUMAWIP was springing like hot cakes everywhere.

What!
Pr1ma project already happened??

don't be naive. there are a lot of investors buying using other ppl names. father mother brother sister uncle aunty etc. and the requirement is not first property. it is first property in KL. you can own 10 houses in klang valley but still qualify for rumahwip.

i'm not naive, just that there are no black & white on renting matter.
above are just some points that against law maker forbid people from renting.

i'm pandanmas 2 owner by the way.

s&p doesnt mention can rent out either right. so it's your words against dbkl. see who got more resources. lol.

btw bro... wish to see you update your end result after you complaints to relevant authorities... as this can ensure the other owners do the same way as u if your way is successful... otherwise... it will be no ending discussion on this rental matter....

if not mention, this mean they cant interfere.

do s&p write how many people can stay at a house?
do they limit how many air cond can be install? no right?
so no people allow to stay?lol

that's why it's ur words vs dbkl cus the application site specifically mention no renting out.

otherwise what u mentioned is not relevant.

even after big expose the problem will still persist, as there is no legal terms to govern this beforehand.

A house is meant to stay but can be investment tool or financial instrument at the same time.. It is considered personal assets tho..

Layman comparison.

Dollar note vs Hard solid property

RM50 10 years ago can buy what? Now with RM50 you can get the same stuff? Value of money decreasing.
VS
10 years ago house price at xxx. As compare to now, can you still get the house at the same price? Probably need double the amount or more to own.

nivota you are definitely wrong. property is one sort of investment. can even be force saving like Chinese people do. Buy 1 house per baby born. When they are old enough, sell the house to get money to pay their studies.

yeah always have to factor in discounted value when assessing opportunity costs.. it supposedly hedge inflation but also need to outperform market interests when concluding nett ROI.. like the terminology of force saving and one ground rules never change is the cost of sales - be it developer or gov entity it has been increasing over years due to higher CAPEX and operating expenditure.. with increased of costs (and price floor) they must target for growth as well.. nothing comes cheap in future if the push is there.. and inflation will further pull it if the GDP is of natural progression..

What floor ??

not to mention they did not specify how long the owner can't rent out their unit, 5 years,10 years? forever? cuz for selling the unit, the moratorium is 10 years..but rent? not to mention the amount of resources the authorities have to spend to track down the owners who rent out..there'll be like thousands of rumawip in the future..

yeah exactly. who knows what the future holds. perhaps resistance is futile.

Good point. Well done on the loopholes.

its quite obvious that the authorities didnt think about it thoroughly before they launch this plan... those ppa1m also alot of ppl re-rent it out... and the authorities just check it like once in a blue moon... alot of ppl already earned their money and cabut already... haha

Should allow rental to locals only. Else end up United Nations neighbour problem.

even they think through i doubt it can be well executed.
bro, the party has just started, still not too late if u wanna join,
hehehe.. 😂😂

ppr flat also can re-rent. rent atas rent. hahaha.

ini betul2 ganas... recently just kena caught right some of the owners.... but then thats after very long time.... lol....

try and see and update

enforcement takda....expected issue

yeah. but investors will still go down when other rumawip vp. supply more than demand.

but anyhow. let's see. taking photos and all first

Thanks to ssa and pop gulu.

Talk about ulu places like pantai timur states.. terrace 450k, commercial lot min 1.4m (3 storey). Money is "small" now, inflation is worse than we can imagine.

Pengerang super ulu area also dare dare sell 800k++, asking rental min 5k. Because of the "arab invest projects" over there.. after project gone every owners gg.

Pandanmas renting to local or foreigners?

I'm wonder why the snp didn't stated "cannot rent out for 10 years" like the sale moratorium? This "extra requirement" cannot be legal binding or dbkl/developer worry about it would affect the "sales performance"?

Ahh found loophole
Now everyone can rent out Rumawip

even the seller also teach u how to rent out
do u believe ??

ya alot of people rent out... which my fren staying on there..

Can this bring to Real estate board/ association? Let the authorities ban the license of the agency ?

I think is good for the tenant as I don't think the owner can enforce the tenancy contract and it's already null and void in the first place.

So the tenant can probably default rental payment any time and spoil the building but the owner take no action on you as he already violating the law in the 1st place.

Not really. It is two different things.
You may pay rm50 summon but at the same time file lawsuit for rm500 against others.

Others means to tenant?

Yep on the damage.

Woow penalty only 50..... Sure? Can u pls share any info if any..thx.

So, whats the outcome after complaining to authorities?

So openly...
Thanks to lack of enforcement & no clear law..

Malaysia boleh

Maybe is Gov's strategies, let's rent out all the Rumawip, Pr1ma then surrounding properties rental and value will be affected. So call controlling the properties market in Msia ?

I agree with Panda.
if the court ruled that its illegal to rent out your unit for whatever reason, you cant claim anything from your tenant as any rental agreement will be null n void, unless its bodily harm done on you.

its like its illegal to deal and trade in drug.....and if you still sell drug but buyer didn't pay you...you cant exactly sue him for lost of business.