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post Apr 5 2007, 01:53 PM, updated 15y ago

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hi.. anyone here buying under construction house/apt?

i buy one.. and feel like my apt not to be completed within the time..it supposed to be completed by this july, but the construction seems like been halted for nearly 3 month (starting this year)..
so..

1.how do you check the progress of the construction beside the claim notification from architect ? it halt at 65% progress claim now..

2. if the construction delay from expected completion date .. do i entitle any LAD?

3. how long do I have to pay the interest to bank if the developer failed to complete the construction at all??

4. and the most important thing..what should I do (beside praying to GOD that the construction can be completed..) sad.gif



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post Apr 5 2007, 03:03 PM

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1. Go and check with the developer.

2. Yes, you're entitle for a LAD claim. However, I got 1 friend who bought in Sunway that the developer ask him to waive the LAD, otherwise no money to complete the project.

3. If the construction is abandoned, you still have to pay the bank. Sad, but bank is always protecting their interest first and doesn't give a damn about the borrower.

4. My advise is to try to sell off the property cheap, if you believe there is no hope that it will complete. Normally, people would avoid under construction property.
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post Apr 5 2007, 05:23 PM

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1. Go and check with the developer. But normally, if the developer like talam, u hardly talk to anybody.

2. Yes, you're entitle for a LAD claim, but u need check your S&P first. Some or most will write in the clause, LAD claims after Vacant Posession, which mean, if the aprtment never complete, u'll never get the money.

3. If the construction is abandoned, you still have to pay the bank. I guess, u are currently paying the interest. But if your apt is more than 60% built, whether it is abandoned or delay, the bank will want u to pay the principle already, because the interest that u are paying now, could be near the principle payment.

4. You can contact the developer first and check with the status. If really no hope of completing, go to KPKT (Housing ministry) and file complain. Then, be ready to pay your loan and there's nothing u can do about the loan. If no hope, then pay the loan principle until finish. Selling it is a very good choice, BUT, for sure nobody want lar....
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post Apr 5 2007, 11:13 PM

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its so sad huh...
my fren is still paying her interest after 7years her housing project got abandoned...
quite scary also buying uncompleted properties.

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post Apr 6 2007, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(RO Player @ Apr 5 2007, 10:02 PM)
what is the name of the developer and main contractor?? thx.  Where your apartment located??  sweat.gif
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Merge Holding (contractor Juta Permai) at Subang 2.. it Damai Apartment.. since i'm staying just at kota damansara.. i always go there to look the progress (from far view).. however, the development of the surrounding area seem in good shape (double storey house) only my apartment seems stall a bit..(3-4 month i think)..

but worried me is that. i bought this house in 2005 it already 2 years.. n i getting married this august..n i thought that i can go to my new house after i married..

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post Apr 6 2007, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(ganz @ Apr 5 2007, 01:53 PM)
2. if the construction delay from expected completion date .. do i entitle any LAD?

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Depends on your S&P - those modified S&P has got loop holes to allow the developer to escape paying you your LAD. It ususally applies to those services aprtments and condos that have commercial title.

QUOTE(ganz @ Apr 5 2007, 01:53 PM)
3. how long do I have to pay the interest to bank if the developer failed to complete the construction at all??

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Continue to service your loan principal until forever... actually if the project abandoned you're screwed. If you got money start servicing the loan until you no longer owe the bank money...

QUOTE(ganz @ Apr 5 2007, 01:53 PM)
4. and the most important thing..what should I do (beside praying to GOD that the construction can be completed..) sad.gif

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Not much it's not up to you... you can only collect LAD and pester the developer!



QUOTE(ganz @ Apr 6 2007, 10:50 AM)
Merge Holding (contractor Juta Permai) at Subang 2.. it Damai Apartment.. since i'm staying just at kota damansara.. i always go there to look the progress (from far view).. however, the development of the surrounding area seem in good shape (double storey house) only my apartment seems stall a bit..(3-4 month i think)..

but worried me is that. i bought this house in 2005 it already 2 years.. n i getting married this august..n i thought that i can go to my new house after i married..

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When is it due for completion...?

Anyway there are reasons why projects tend to stop for months at a time sometimes its due to worker issues, delay in materials... or stop work order... you'll have to inquire with the developer.

BTW if the surrounding area is by the same developer it can happen when they reassign their work force to finish other projects first and will get back to your apartment at a later stage.

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post Apr 6 2007, 02:17 PM

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bUt sometimes the bank would not allow u to start servicing the principal 1st...must see your bank loan agreement regarding this. Like mine, project also been delayed like more than half year oredi (thank god nearly complete). but when i wanna start paying my principal, the bank would not allow me sad.gif Every month i only can service the interest alone....its killing me...

Next time will neva buy any uncompleted properties oredi...its soo dem scary! Even projects from reputable companies can stall...

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post Apr 6 2007, 03:23 PM

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that true.. that most probably the cause.. stop to give way to other project to start.. and the completion date is on july 2007.. 3 month to go.. yet don't think it gonna complete on time..

perhaps, certain people might said.. it too early to worry.. but.. i burn neraly quater of my monthly income to pay the interest..

by the way.. thanks for the prompt reply.. i'm going to the developer office next week..
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post Apr 7 2007, 02:09 AM

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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Apr 6 2007, 02:17 PM)
Like mine, project also been delayed like more than half year oredi (thank god nearly complete). but when i wanna start paying my principal, the bank would not allow me sad.gif Every month i only can service the interest alone....its killing me...
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QUOTE(ganz @ Apr 6 2007, 03:23 PM)
I burn neraly quater of my monthly income to pay the interest..

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Is this your first time buying property?

Banks really makan consumers when it comes to housing loan... to be honest I see no point in purchasing property thats not ready built and servicing the loan for nothing in return!

Just to share my personal buying experience. I waited for the housing project to complete and purchased a fully completed house from the developer at launch price developer didn't even markup the purchase price... because of competition in Puchong and the soft property market.

End of the day I saved a bundle on my loan and still got a completed house at the same price as those who purchased units much earlier before construction.

I fully support the government to adopt the build and sell concept! thumbup.gif not like now where they sell then build (or abandon) shakehead.gif

QUOTE(ganz @ Apr 6 2007, 03:23 PM)
by the way.. thanks for the prompt reply.. i'm going to the developer office next week..
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Wish you all the best, and hopefully the developer will have a good answer for you! icon_rolleyes.gif

Cheers!
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QUOTE(aaronpang @ Apr 7 2007, 02:09 AM)
Is this your first time buying property?

Banks really makan consumers when it comes to housing loan... to be honest I see no point in purchasing property thats not ready built and servicing the loan for nothing in return!

Just to share my personal buying experience. I waited for the housing project to complete and purchased a fully completed house from the developer at launch price developer didn't even markup the purchase price... because of competition in Puchong and the soft property market.

End of the day I saved a bundle on my loan and still got a completed house at the same price as those who purchased units much earlier before construction.

I fully support the government to adopt the build and sell concept! thumbup.gif not like now where they sell then build (or abandon) shakehead.gif
Wish you all the best, and hopefully the developer will have a good answer for you! icon_rolleyes.gif

Cheers!
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ya man...1st timer....tats y keep hitting the wAlls...too excited and naive....but now I KNOW liaoz... flex.gif

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post May 15 2007, 02:36 PM

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just return from out station..
called them
extend another 1 year..
should they sent us any letter regarding that extension?
damn.. the house lool almost completed..
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post May 15 2007, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(ganz @ Apr 5 2007, 01:53 PM)
hi.. anyone here buying under construction house/apt?

i buy one.. and feel like my apt not to be completed within the time..it supposed to be completed by this july, but the construction seems like been halted for nearly 3 month (starting this year)..
so..

1.how do you check the progress of the construction beside the claim notification from architect ? it halt at 65% progress claim now..

2. if the construction delay from expected completion date .. do i entitle any LAD?

3. how long do I have to pay the interest to bank if the developer failed to complete the construction at all??

4. and the most important thing..what should I do (beside praying to GOD that the construction can be completed..) sad.gif
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which project oh?
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post May 16 2007, 12:29 PM

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ok..

it is apartment at subang 2 (Damai Apartment) under merge housing (Contractor has been change from Juta Permai to Permain only recently)

now i want to know the ext step

as the developer already declare unofficially that the project delay.. should i received OR i ask them to provide me the letter for the extension of time.

the actually completion should be end of july 2007 and has been extend perhaps (PERHARPS) on July 2008.

advice me.. pls


Added on January 3, 2008, 2:57 pmUpdate on this issue...

our action group are going to have press conference :
date : 5 Jan 2008
Location : Balairaya Taman Mayang PJ
Time : 10am

we already invite the following to come:
Minister it self (no way he will come)
State exco - Dato' Mokhtar Dahlan (also MP for that area)
Local Authorities
Gov agency i.e tribunal, etc
rep from all news paper and mass media..
developer and the contractor
Bankers..

just added info:-
on august 07, we have a meeting with local authorities, state exco rep, developer and bankers including few gov agencies.. from the minutes of meeting.. the apartment should be completed by this Dec07. it has been agreed by all parties that to follow every decision made in the minutes..

but until today.. nothing has been done.. now i wonder.. who actually got more power.. Goverment? local state exco? or DEVELOPER..

if u would like to come.. to support us.. please do so..

MERGE HOUSING also messing around with other property..

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QUOTE(ganz @ May 16 2007, 12:29 PM)
ok..

it is apartment at subang 2 (Damai Apartment) under merge housing (Contractor has been change from Juta Permai to Permain only recently)

now i want to know the ext step

as the developer already declare unofficially that the project delay.. should i received OR i ask them to provide me the letter for the extension of time.

the actually completion should be end of july 2007 and has been extend perhaps (PERHARPS) on July 2008.

advice me.. pls


Added on January 3, 2008, 2:57 pmUpdate on this issue...

our action group are going to have press conference :
date : 5 Jan 2008
Location : Balairaya Taman Mayang PJ
Time : 10am

we already invite the following to come:
Minister it self (no way he will come)
State exco - Dato' Mokhtar Dahlan (also MP for that area)
Local Authorities
Gov agency i.e tribunal, etc
rep from all news paper and mass media..
developer and the contractor
Bankers..

just added info:-
on august 07, we have a meeting with local authorities, state exco rep, developer and bankers including few gov agencies.. from the minutes of meeting.. the apartment should be completed by this Dec07. it has been agreed by all parties that to follow every decision made in the minutes..

but until today.. nothing has been done.. now i wonder.. who actually got more power.. Goverment? local state exco? or DEVELOPER..

if u would like to come.. to support us.. please do so..

MERGE HOUSING also messing around with other property..
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hai ganz,
me also buy that house laa but miss the conference@5 jan 2008, no info get. So is there any conference next or other action i wan 2 join laa. Email:zychol@streamyx.com
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Hi. I also bought a unit of apartment at pinggiran subang which called (damai apartment). I will be going to Kementerian dan Perumahan on Friday 20/06/2008 to get the clear picture of wat is happening. Anything pls email me alex.tanfg@gmail.com . thank you
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just for update information..
on 29 August 2008 (FRIDAY).. there will be a meeting with ADUN Kota Damansara at 530pm at Merge Housing Office..

please come


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QUOTE(ganz @ Aug 20 2008, 03:21 PM)
just for update information..
on 29 August 2008 (FRIDAY).. there will be a meeting with ADUN Kota Damansara at 530pm at Merge Housing Office..

please come
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I'm also a 'victim' who bought the abandon house, Damai Apartment at Subang 2...I just find out about this group...and about the meeting on 29th Aug 08 meeting as well.. Hope can keep me updated about this issue... If there's another group for this committee pls add my add nfabloom@yahoo.com[FONT=Courier][COLOR=blue]..thanx
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QUOTE(ganz @ Aug 20 2008, 03:21 PM)
just for update information..
on 29 August 2008 (FRIDAY).. there will be a meeting with ADUN Kota Damansara at 530pm at Merge Housing Office..

please come
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Hi, I am also another victim from this Damai Apartment project. I know there is a small group formed by some owners. My husband's name already in the member list but myself is not actively involve with it.

I aware there is a meeting not long ago, but the answer I got is "Nothing much"
If you are free to update all the meeting/event detail in this forum, it is very much appreciated.

Is there any news or progress?

Thanks
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post Oct 24 2008, 09:15 AM

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I am also a victim of this Merge Housing (Juta Permai).
They have been delaying the projects and nothing has been done.
I have complained to Kementerian Perumahan dan Kerajaan Tempatan on numerous occassions, wrote more than 5 letters to complain. Each time the reply I received from Kementerian was the case has been referred to the developer.
Why is Singapore free from all these late or abandoned projects? It is because the authorities there are strict in granting license. They will check thoroughly and approved license to those qualified developer.
Really dissapointed with 1st class facilities/infrastructure but 3rd or 4th class mentality and control.

Can someone help us??

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our action group planned to lodge a police report few weeks back,, however, i was unable to attend (was plan to lodge the report at Subang Jaya SS15)

House buyer,, just imagine.. how come that bad developer still running their business.. and furthermore.. how come they still able to secure more and more projects..

i already come to conclusion.. u need a master degree to purchase the house nowadays.. biggrin.gif
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hye, i'm also one of the juta permaiN victim..i cannot stand with my monetary burden already. need to rent a flat house and pay to the bank for the abandon apartment at 1k ++ a month..

can anybody let me know how was the status from the kemeterian perumahan and whats going on during 5th january 2008 at tmn mayang and meeting with adun kota damansara...??
the construction is very very slow..i've being there just last weekend and the progress is too slow.
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too slow is better than none..

i think we should gather back with more action...

since 5th jan.. the construction move so well.. until the recent oil price hike.. then everything damn slow...and stop..

they have meet the local assembly man (Kota damansara) and has been given advice to report to the police.. i don't know the status of police report anyway..

have u log to this issue to KPKT?

Junaidah.. are you in the mailing list?
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QUOTE(ganz @ Dec 3 2008, 06:17 PM)
too slow is better than none..

i think we should gather back with more action...

since 5th jan.. the construction move so well.. until the recent oil price hike.. then everything damn slow...and stop..

they have meet the local assembly man (Kota damansara) and has been given advice to report to the police.. i don't know the status of police report anyway..

have u log to this issue to KPKT?

Junaidah.. are you in the mailing list?
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yes!! i'm agree with u.
sorry, i think i'm not in...how to put me in d list please?...
any gathering u want to handle, please let me know also..
my email junaidah525@yahoo.com

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Hi all,

This discusion seem interesting. I might be late to response actually, but your case similar as me. I bought this Damai Appartment (Developer Juta Permai- the bluffer) 2 yrs ago till now the hses are still the same. Same as their advertisement 60% completed.

As what I read in other forum, The project shoule be completed in 2005, but delay, then this Juta Permai resell again in 2006, and I is one of the victime.

Attached is the picture of the project.

I would like to gahtered with you all (the victime) and have a meeting to discuss regarding this matter. Maybe we can arange some xtivities to resolve this issues and 'kena' kan this Juta Permai.



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hi,

have you been to our action group meeting previously? biggrin.gif (even we are a litle bit slow lately)

latest update that I know.. is that our action group already received a letter from KPKT with the following action.
" that the contractor will resume construction in January 2009 and will complete in August 2009."

i pray to GOD that it is true.. or I will bankrupt at the end of the day already sad.gif

there is nothing much that we can do..

any way.. PM me your e-mail address then i will e-mail you our mailing list

thanks

* anyway.. when the last time you to go the site? i went there yesterday since it just nearby to my house.. sad.gif(

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QUOTE(ganz @ Jan 5 2009, 04:22 PM)
hi,

have you been to our action group meeting previously? biggrin.gif (even we are a litle bit slow lately)

latest update that I know.. is that our action group already received a letter from KPKT with the following action.
" that the contractor will resume construction in January 2009 and will complete in August 2009."

i pray to GOD that it is true.. or I will bankrupt at the end of the day already sad.gif

there is nothing much that we can do..

any way.. PM me your e-mail address then i will e-mail you our mailing list

thanks

* anyway.. when the last time you to go the site? i went there yesterday since it just nearby to my house.. sad.gif(
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Hi,

Thank you for ur prompt reply. Unfortunately NO, because I havent received any news or invitation from any parties. But I am looking forward to join your group since we're in the same situation. Unlucky one cry.gif

I had visited the project last yr Nov, and managed to talk to one of the contractor staff, he told me that Juta Permai didnt pay them, so they refused to performed any job. We did received a letter from developer that saying we need to add another 2K to change the floor type and mentioned in the letter as well that the project will be completed on Dec 08. The result-----------still the same- no progressive work done.

Recently, I managed to talked to Ms. Norlie regarding this matter. She told me that the project will be extend another 1 yr. Expected to be complete on Dec 09 but if there any problem and circumstances they cant promises anything. She also told me if the S& P no expired yet you cannot claim Late penalty charges.

Developer just assigned another contractor somewhere August 2008.

You know what, our mistake was we bought the hse after we seen the hse from far. Its look convincing because the hse as same as their advertisement. But in early 2007, when another developer build another project. we went deep further, infront of the project area, guess what, DISASTER...Like Tsunami, The 'lalang' as high as 1st floor.

There an Indonesian guys guard that project, with coutesy he told me with a very sakit hati statement 'kakak punya rumah ni lagi 5 thn baru siap'. I feel like.. ' if I can burn the developer office'.


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aza,

there are few buyer who purchase the apt in fisrt launch. biggrin.gif just imagine..and there few buyer buy more than one unit ...

basically, if i'm not mistaken, s& p expired 36 months after we sign.. which is somewhere in this march (for me)..


anyway.. i already mail you e-mail add to our secretary even our movement a little bit slow now.. perhaps... after one year (last year 5/1/08 we have a press conference.. ) somthing magical wil happen.

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"anyway.. i already mail you e-mail add to our secretary even our movement a little bit slow now.. perhaps... after one year (last year 5/1/08 we have a press conference.. ) somthing magical wil happen".

YAH, HOPEFULLY. Perhaps government will interfear to resolve the problem. Bit scary when Norlie told me ' if there any circumstances during this year such as economic recession, and they cannot affort to sustained with this project, the possibility to postpont definately high.

I believe everybody have started paying the monthly loan to the bank and somemore extra burden because we also paying rental to the house that we are staying now.




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HI!
I also victim of this Merge Housing and bought this Damai Appartment at 1st launch same at year 2000. They have been delaying the projects few times and nothing has been done now. They old staff some also resign, but last year I call up them can’t give me actually project will start. Now I also can't do anything. I might be late to response, but yours case same with me. Hope future we can work together when take any action or any late news. My email ching42@gmail.com
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thank,,

i will e-mail u together with the action group list..


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hye all,
for your info, i being there last saturday BUT i cannot see any workers on site..the boom gate also being close. 'lalang' oredi same height as the 1st floor unit..scary project by juta permai...

we should do something for expedite them to complete our apartment. if not, the payment to bank will kill us..i'm very very scared now after i see the progress.

do we need to report to TV3..so that all of us can gather for our 'HAK'...

-june-
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june,

if u have contact with TV3.. then I think why don't give another try..

ask them to air during buletin utama..see how they will react..


Added on March 18, 2009, 12:45 pmupdate...

Damai Apartment Buyers’ Action Committee would like to inform you that there will be a meeting at:-
Place : (Damai Apartment’s Building Site)
Subang 2, Bandar Pinggiran Subang, Seksyen 4
Date : 22/03/2009 (Sunday)
Time : 9 am sharp

thanks


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Hi All
I am also a victim for this Merge Housing project. May i know are there any regular activities from the "action group"?

lai
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QUOTE(CSLai @ Sep 17 2009, 09:50 AM)
Hi All
I am also a victim for this Merge Housing project. May i know are there any regular activities from the "action group"?

lai
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Juta Permai has come out with a "Settlement Agreement" with all Damai buyers. Juta Permai Director, Mr Lee Kuang Chong has entered into an agreement with Damai buyers, if the buyers are agreeable, to provide fixture and fittings to the buyers as LAD compensation.

You can refer to the Damai action group for further details.


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QUOTE(CSLai @ Sep 17 2009, 09:50 AM)
Hi All
I am also a victim for this Merge Housing project. May i know are there any regular activities from the "action group"?

lai
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Juta Permai has come out with a "Settlement Agreement" with all Damai buyers. Juta Permai Director, Mr Lee Kuang Chong has entered into an agreement with Damai buyers, if the buyers are agreeable, to provide fixture and fittings to the buyers as LAD compensation.

You can refer to the Damai action group for further details.



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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Apr 5 2007, 11:13 PM)
its so sad huh...
my fren is still paying her interest after 7years her housing project got abandoned...
quite scary also buying uncompleted properties.
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ya, sometimes such projects really depending on your luck too. so if u want to 100% avoid this risk the only thing is to purchase only completed unit... lol.. ofc u need to pay higher than before but this is the risk price u pay off


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QUOTE(House Buyer @ Oct 24 2008, 09:15 AM)
I am also a victim of this Merge Housing (Juta Permai).
They have been delaying the projects and nothing has been done.
I have complained to Kementerian Perumahan dan Kerajaan Tempatan on numerous occassions, wrote more than 5 letters to complain. Each time the reply I received from Kementerian was the case has been referred to the developer.
Why is Singapore free from all these late or abandoned projects? It is because the authorities there are strict in granting license. They will check thoroughly and approved license to those qualified developer.
Really dissapointed with 1st class facilities/infrastructure but 3rd or 4th class mentality and control.

Can someone help us??
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yes dearie, i can understand such frustration. as suppose our govt shall imply stricter rules and regulations to all developers from prevention abandoned projects.

my mum bought one unit factory in rawang also ended up "Abandoned AND NON DEVELOPED AT ALL" but the council will send the land bill to us on time every yr. no choice still have to pay it.

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Sad to hear this...something very very wrong exist in Bolehland !

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QUOTE(Benny5187 @ Oct 3 2009, 07:27 PM)
Sad to hear this...something very very wrong exist in Bolehland !

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Where got wrong?
"Relak boleh"
"Makan boleh"
"Delegate boleh"
"Cakap kosong boleh"
"If I win, I will look into abandon projects in the area" --- lagi boleh - this quote sounds familiar, over heard it in the news yesterday.
hahahaha. But, but... all these while why don't they look into it?? They have been "the guardian" of there all these while.

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QUOTE(House Buyer @ Oct 2 2009, 08:53 AM)
Juta Permai has come out with a "Settlement Agreement" with all Damai buyers. Juta Permai Director, Mr Lee Kuang Chong has entered into an agreement with Damai buyers, if the buyers are agreeable, to provide fixture and fittings to the buyers as LAD compensation.

You can refer to the Damai action group for further details.
Hi...with regards to the above fact that the F***ed up develope has offered as compensation....I feel it's an eyewash.

My sister and her husband are one of the unfortunate buyers of apartments in this scam by Juta Permai.

Apparently, the offer to provide fixture and fittings to the buyers as LAD compensation may sound nice but why cant the developer just pay these affected buyers their LAD in cash??

With the buyer already burdened with interest payments and NON-DELIVERY of their apartment units, LAD claims payments in cash will help them ease their interest burdens.

Is this a ploy by the developer to buy more time?

This whole affair sounds fishy.

Dear house buyer...I surprised that you have not questioned this.


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QUOTE(sudha @ Nov 15 2009, 03:02 PM)
Hi...with regards to the above fact that the F***ed up develope has offered as compensation....I feel it's an eyewash.

My sister and her husband are one of the unfortunate buyers of apartments in this scam by Juta Permai.

Apparently, the offer to provide fixture and fittings to the buyers as LAD compensation may sound nice but why cant the developer just pay these affected buyers their LAD in cash??

With the buyer already burdened with interest payments and NON-DELIVERY of their apartment units, LAD claims payments in cash will help them ease their interest burdens.

Is this a ploy by the developer to buy more time?

This whole affair sounds fishy.

Dear house buyer...I surprised that you have not questioned this.
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me and few others has not accept the furnish settlement..

i know it hard for us to counter back for LAD.. but at least i don;t have to pay additional since the cost for the furniture is more than our LAD..

some of the early buyer 2001/2002 has accumulated LAD almost near to 60k.. ahahhaha

anyway.. hope that they can finish as what there have promise..
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QUOTE(ganz @ Nov 30 2009, 07:55 PM)
me and few others has not accept the furnish settlement..

i know it hard for us to counter back for LAD.. but at least i don;t have to pay additional since the cost for the furniture is more than our LAD..

some of the early buyer 2001/2002 has accumulated LAD almost near to 60k.. ahahhaha

anyway.. hope that they can finish as what there have promise..
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Agree with you ganz. Why should we opt for the fixture / furniture when we can get LAD which is much higher, hopefully the project continues lah.

As we are now living under the mercy of this unscrupulous crooked developer, what can we do? We can just keep our fingers crossed hoping that HELP university will be there to help us.

What I'm trying to say on the fixture and fittings compensation by con-man Lee Kuang Chong is ... at least we can see some "light" despite the gloomy view ahead. Not only that Juta Permai (Merge Housing) / Lee Kuang Chong are coming out with fixture and fittings compensation, they are also offering to buy back abandoned units. From their crooked action, we know that they are under pressure to revive the project - may it be from HELP, or by the buyer action group.

The developer is coming up with creative and innovative ways to minimize their compensation. Very deceitful indeed. In spite of all these, we really hope to see some "action" by the developer rather than sleep, hibernate or lie six feet under the ground.

Let's pray hard that the con-man developer will revive the project. Coz we have been suffering in silence for so long. mad.gif

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any latest news?

it been such a long period without update..

should the developer complete the apartmentt by end of december.. but i don't think so based on physical sight seeing..


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May i know last time how much you purchase the house?

u can PM me if u wan make it P&C. Thx
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I have not been to the area for years also. Too heart ache to visit the area.

Heard that Merge Housing launched new project again under its subsidiary Tiara Sukma Sdn Bhd.
They launched new terrace houses 18 x 60 at RM260k in Subang 2, U5.
All fully grabbed / sold like hot cakes. Maybe the price or the naive buyers not knowing history of Merge Housing.


I keep telling myself, "look at the bright side", HELP is going to the area; property price are soaring; Merge Housing (the culprit mother of culprit Juta Permai) is still alive although declared loses in its annual / quarterly report.

When can we get our houses???

What we can do is..., keep our fingers and toes crossed and pray really hard.
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Any latest news on this project?

I am from the first batch buyers on Y2000. Thinking of getting the LAD since I have serving the loan interest since then. Btw, how do i get the detail of the offer from the com man Lee Kuang Chong pertaining to the fixture and fittings compensation? anyone accept the offer?
Can e-mail me on "cktoon1972@hotmail.com"

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a meeting was held last two weeks.. unfortunately, i can't attend since since my wife was at hospital at that time..

expected completed with CF is jun 2011..hahaha...

subang2.. i don't take the furniture offer.. why should i top up another 15k biggrin.gif
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ganz.... Thanks for the info.

Completed by Jun.........I'm really hope that as servicing the interest for the past 7 years really killing me off.

so u go for LAD claim? Any possibility

Btw, how do u know there was a meeting held last 2 weeks? by developers or.........
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QUOTE(ganz @ Nov 19 2010, 09:57 AM)
a meeting was held last two weeks.. unfortunately, i can't attend since since my wife was at hospital at that time..

expected completed with CF is jun 2011..hahaha...

subang2.. i don't take the furniture offer.. why should i top up another 15k biggrin.gif
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Thanks for the update.
Haha, this con-man developer is good at buying time. After numerous promises, promise to deliver by Dec 2010, now June 2011. Then... don't know...???

Crook company indeed.

Hi any forumers out there buy house from Merge Housing or any of its subsidiaries, e.g. Tiara Sukma etc. Beware, don't step into the trap or land mine. Have to face delay projects and empty promises. Yet we are still waiting for our home sweet home.

Watch out of Merge Housing.


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anyway.. i wonder.. base on the website (now Merge Housing got website tongue.gif )

they have plenty new project at subang 2 as well

http://mhouse.com.my/v2/index.asp?menuid=32

http://mhouse.com.my/v2/index.asp?menuid=30

http://mhouse.com.my/v2/index.asp?menuid=31 (and this one).. is almost completed project at bukit jelutong.

but not even a word on our projects.. WHY???? feel ashame kaa??
damn..

one of the quotes to remeber..

"Over the years, MHB Group have completed and handed over more than 4,400 units of residential and 1,720 units of commercial shops and industrial factories."... they forget that.. damai apartment alone got 720 units and they FAIL to deliver since the inception project in year 2001.. and it almost 10 years
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QUOTE(ganz @ Nov 24 2010, 01:47 AM)
anyway.. i wonder.. base on the website (now Merge Housing got website tongue.gif )

they have plenty new project at subang 2 as well

http://mhouse.com.my/v2/index.asp?menuid=32

http://mhouse.com.my/v2/index.asp?menuid=30

http://mhouse.com.my/v2/index.asp?menuid=31 (and this one).. is almost completed project at bukit jelutong.

but not even a word on our projects.. WHY???? feel ashame kaa??
damn..

one of the quotes to remeber..

"Over the years,  MHB Group have completed and handed over more than 4,400 units of  residential and 1,720 units of commercial shops and industrial  factories."... they forget that.. damai apartment alone got 720 units and they FAIL to deliver since the inception project in year 2001.. and it almost 10 years
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Celaka betul Merge Housing ni!!
Betul-betul con-man developer. Think I better make this thread active so that other people will not step into the same land mine as us.

They launched new houses under Tiara Sukma, very attractive, as the price is reasonable and the design is attractive.

I heard that now the con-man director even register new co. under family members name so that they can launch more projects to con innocent buyers.

Beware!!! Please check the developer background before entering into S&P. Any launch with office in Subang 2, just watch out. Who knows, he may get an office elsewhere and continue to launch new projects with its cronies and nepos as directors.

Be careful. Don't follow our foot step. We have no one to blame but ourselves for never check properly before we enter into S&P.

It's the buyers fault, not the developer... this is what I've learnt after losing so much, not getting our property, monthly interest to bank, and still continue...
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erk...xsiap2 lg? ape kes ni....suma projek pon ok...cuma apartment mrk xreti buat ka? noob ler...
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erk...xsiap2 lg? ape kes ni....suma projek pon ok...cuma apartment mrk xreti buat ka? noob ler...
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Any news on the apartments and houses at the area?
Promised to hand over by December 2010... Now is already March 2011...
When only are we going to have our home sweet home???

Sigh... in silence...
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went there yesterday.. almost completed except the road to the apartment.. unable to walk in.. to muddy.. with car .. NO WAY.. i'm not driving 4x4.. hehehe

don't think can hand over by june.. but the bank already started to claim more and more for progress claim
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QUOTE(ganz @ May 2 2011, 03:26 PM)
went there yesterday.. almost completed except the road to the apartment.. unable to walk in.. to muddy.. with car .. NO WAY.. i'm not driving 4x4.. hehehe

don't think can hand over by june.. but the bank already started to claim more and more for progress claim
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Read today's (10 June 2011) the Star "Errant Developers to be penalised, says Chor"

Whatever declared, we, victim of Subang 2 abandoned project by Juta Permai, are still waiting for the continuation of our HOME SWEET HOME.

1. Why isn't the government take action on the directors or Juta Permai?
2. Currently, errant developers are only blacklisted.
Don't you think merely blacklisting the errant developers is too light a punishment?

KPKT, pleassseee.... help us! Please pressure the developer (Juta Permai / Merge Housing) to resume the project fast and compensate us our LAD.




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only water supply is not there yet.. electric connected already.. house completed...

btw. i go for lad..
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QUOTE(ganz @ Jun 12 2011, 01:19 PM)
only water supply is not there yet.. electric connected already.. house completed...

btw. i go for lad..
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Merge Housing is going private:

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...30&sec=business

Wonder what is the crook Lee up to?

He noticed that he will make tonnes and tonnes of profit??
Or any agenda?

Any input?

Company with lots of abandoned / delayed projects going private??
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wat is this? they profiting last year and

WE STRANDED + SUFFERING 5 years down the road???!!!! mad.gif

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Signed up for a house in Subang 2 in 2005.

Last year, Merge Housing/Juta Permai informed in black and white through the Housing Ministry (Bahagian Pemantauan & Penguatkuasaan) that construction of the 2storey houses in the same vicinity as the Damai Apartments will be completed in the month of December 2010. No encouraging news so far.

Dropped by the at the site last month. Surprised to see a back-hoe operator doing some earthwork on a Sunday. As I see it, the contractor is laying the sewrage and drainage systems. So I gather, maybe,
the project was held up because of infra problems.

Most probably the infra problems - roads, drainage etc. - were solved when HELP Uni. came into the picture.

Made a trip to KPKT at Pusat Bandar Damansara recently, but the Housing section was shut. The Kementerian offices shifted to Putrajaya. May make a trip to Putrajaya, if time permits, to enquire about the progress of the project.

I have been to KPKT once before and found it's better to go personally to Jabatan Perumahan to meet the officers there than to see the developer to get updates on the project because the Jabatan Perumahan officers can refer to the Laporan Kemajuan Projek (Laporan 7(f)) submitted by the developer every 3 months. Notification (Lampiran A) states : Pemaju diwajibkan menghantar Laporan 7(f) untuk keempat-empat sesi dan digalakkan untuk mengemaskini Laporan 7(f) pada Sesi Tambahan.

December 2011 is coming soon and hope to hear good news from Juta Permai.

Complete the project. An abandoned housing project in the vicinity of the Green Technology University Campus in Subang 2 will not help to make HELP University College to look as nice and impressive as the management, staff and students would want it to be.



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QUOTE(rumahmurah @ Aug 27 2011, 04:08 AM)
Signed up for a house in Subang 2 in 2005.

Last year, Merge Housing/Juta Permai informed in black and white through the Housing Ministry (Bahagian Pemantauan & Penguatkuasaan) that construction of the  2storey houses in the same vicinity as the Damai Apartments will be completed in the month of December 2010. No encouraging news so far.

Dropped by the at the site last month. Surprised to see a back-hoe operator doing some earthwork on a Sunday. As I see it, the contractor is laying the sewrage and drainage systems. So I gather, maybe,
the project was held up because of infra problems.

Most probably the infra problems - roads, drainage etc. - were solved when HELP Uni. came into the picture.

Made a trip to KPKT at Pusat Bandar Damansara recently, but the Housing section was shut. The Kementerian offices shifted to Putrajaya. May make a trip to Putrajaya, if time permits, to enquire about the progress of the project.

I have been to KPKT once before and found it's better to go personally to Jabatan Perumahan to meet the officers there than to see the developer to get updates on the project because the Jabatan Perumahan officers can refer to the Laporan Kemajuan Projek (Laporan 7(f)) submitted by the developer every 3 months. Notification (Lampiran A)  states : Pemaju diwajibkan menghantar Laporan 7(f) untuk keempat-empat sesi dan digalakkan untuk mengemaskini Laporan 7(f) pada Sesi Tambahan.

December 2011 is coming soon and hope to hear good news from Juta Permai.

Complete the project. An abandoned housing project in the vicinity of the Green Technology University Campus in Subang 2 will not help to make HELP University College to look as nice and impressive as the management, staff and students would want it to be.
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Thanks for the updates. At least there are some action now.

I am also a buyer of the double-storey terrace. We will be neighbour later.

I called Merge Housing (Juta Permai) and was told that they are selling the double storey at RM100k more than when we signed the S&P in 2005. Hee! stalled project also can sell.

Anyhow, HELP is there to help us!!
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all apartments owner... they going to register with TNB and require ur IC.. no deposit required.. deducted with LAD .. huhuhhu
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all apartments owner... they going to register with TNB and require ur IC.. no deposit required.. deducted with LAD .. huhuhhu
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Ganz,

Do we require to submit our IC photocopy to merge housing office..? When is the last date.??

Thanks.
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QUOTE(House Buyer @ Sep 13 2011, 03:38 PM)
Thanks for the updates. At least there are some action now.

I am also a buyer of the double-storey terrace. We will be neighbour later.

I called Merge Housing (Juta Permai) and was told that they are selling the double storey at RM100k more than when we signed the S&P in 2005. Hee! stalled project also can sell.

Anyhow, HELP is there to help us!!
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Added on September 23, 2011, 1:07 amHi House Buyer,

Good purchase. But it's a waiting game.



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buy already still have to pay another pymt? aiyo...so many hidden charges
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Added on September 23, 2011, 1:07 amHi House Buyer,

Good purchase. But it's a waiting game.
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Hi Rumahmurah,

Latest update. The con-man developer now delay the handover to March 2012 (not as mentioned on end of 2011).

Good at playing delaying game.

Sabar aja lah! Just wait...
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Hi Rumahmurah,

Latest update. The con-man developer now delay the handover to March 2012 (not as mentioned on end of 2011).

Good at playing delaying game.

Sabar aja lah! Just wait...
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Added on September 26, 2011, 9:45 pmHi House Buyer,

Yes, must sabar.

Can only shout "syabas!" after amendments to the Housing Act is passed in December 2011.

Hope the waiting this time will not go beyond March 2012.



RAWANG: Amendments to the Housing Development Act to stop abandoned projects will be tabled in Parliament in December.

Housing and Local Government Minister Datuk Chor Chee Heung said one of the amendments requires developers to put a deposit of 3% of a housing project cost to get a licence.

"Developers now only need to put a deposit of RM200,000 and have a piece of land before the license is issued.

"With this new amendment, if the project is seen to have problems, the deposit will be used to cover the costs," he told reporters after handing over keys to 54 owners of abandoned houses which had been rehabilitated at Taman Prima Hijau Monday.

He said the other amendment requires developers to complete the houses before selling them.

This requirement, to take effect in 2015, could be complied with in several ways, including the buyers paying 10% of the house price and the rest when it is completed.

With the amendments, Chor said, housing developers can be prosecuted under the Penal Code for failing to complete a project

Star Online, Monday 26 September 2011

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why?
why la?
why la always delay?
why la always delay and stranded us?


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Pembeli tidak didahulukan.

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would like to inform that, recieve letter from Juta permai

can collect the key .. issued with CF already..

thanks god.. finally..
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Hi ganz

Good days to u. biggrin.gif

I'm also receive the letter from the Juta Permai but I noticed that there was a list of Miscellaneous charges to pay such as maintenance charges and sinking fund. Did they charge u on those fee? Not even getting the key but already incurred maintenance charges and sinking fund???/ vmad.gif

By the way, may I know how to go for the LAD claim? icon_question.gif

Thanks in advance


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have receive email from lily?

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Dear All,

I believe all of you already receive email from Lily regarding the CF and getting ready for the next meeting
I just want to add in something.

I went to Juta Permai to settle a new purchase, and was planning to get my LAD claim to become part payment of new purchase.
I ask how much can i get claim so i can arrange for additional payment for my new unit.

At first the guy (by the name Edward) said it is not easy to calculate the LAD because they need to calculate by the part payment (10% of how much bank had release daily)
Meaning if bank release 60%, I can only claim 10% of (60% * Purchase Price)

I was doubtful on this and ask advise from some people. A friend told me Sime Darby development is paying 10% of Purchase price (and bank had not paid full to developer)
and another friend said when she goes to tribunal, the form will advise them the calculation method is 10% of purchase price on daily rest.

Meaning, the developer will mislead us on the calculation and may ask us to accept the sum of their calculation.

I ask Lily to send out email to everyone about this. Do not accept any LAD amount calculated by Juta Permai. We should get 10% of Purchase Price calculated daily.

(p/s: i only send this email out to BAC group 2)

Actually I have added the Damai Buyer - Group B in facebook group. so far it is not very active and I feel not easy to post things there.
Well at least we can give a try. Anyone interested, try to search for this group or leave me your name so i can add you there as member.
Or anyone got better idea how to share comment in more efficient way.
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Hi ganz

Thanks for sharing info. notworthy.gif

By the way, I did not receive any e-mail from anyone pertaining to this. Maybe I did not registered at the first place.

If you don't mind, can you extend the email from Lily to me, my e-mail address : cktoon1972@hotmail.com

Thanks
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Hi ganz

Thanks for sharing info.  notworthy.gif

By the way, I did not receive any e-mail from anyone pertaining to this. Maybe I did not registered at the first place.

If you don't mind, can you extend the email from Lily to me, my e-mail address : cktoon1972@hotmail.com 

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Dear Ganz

Yippie! Finally the apartments are ready for handover. Congratulations!! Congratulations!!

We can expect to get our house ready also after handing over of Damai apartments.

Do update us on how to claim for LAD. Wonder if this con-man developer will pay or find ways and means to avoid????

Finally after a long long long hibernation of the project.


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Hi ganz,

CONGRATULATIONS! CONGRATULATIONS! CONGRATULATIONS!

At last, your effort, patience and investment have paid off.

Do check for defects on taking VP.

Cheers.
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anyway.. to all

some of the buyer going to collect the key tomorrow..

will be expected some dispute over the LAD calculation and everything..

keep u SnP.. as regardless what ever people say.. SNP is the legally binding documents (esp on LAD calculation, actual date of VP etc)

thanks


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they only pay part of the LAD only...huhu...and still cant move it cause syabas hvnt approve yet.
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What's the problem with SYABAS?
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post Nov 24 2011, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(dewill @ Nov 24 2011, 07:09 AM)
they only pay part of the LAD only...huhu...and still cant move it cause syabas hvnt approve yet.
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How much of LAD % are they paying? What remedy do we have if they refuse to pay full LAD and give all sort of excuses?
dewill
post Dec 8 2011, 12:09 AM

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Where to I get these documents?

i. Letter of vacant possession

ii. Certificate of Fitness of Occupation

Have the damai apartment fully ready with electric and water supply?


Added on December 8, 2011, 11:30 am
QUOTE(House Buyer @ Nov 24 2011, 02:25 PM)
How much of LAD % are they paying? What remedy do we have if they refuse to pay full LAD and give all sort of excuses?
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*Boleh dirujuk di sini -> http://ehome.kpkt.gov.my/ehome/input/borang1_panduan.pdf

Butir-butir tuntutan :
1. Tarikh S&P ditandatangani (Bayaran 10% deposit) = 1 Januari 2000
2. Tarikh serahan sepatutnya dalam S&P (36 Bulan) = 1 Januari 2003
3. Tarikh serahan sebenar Milikan Kosong oleh Pemaju = 31 Mei 2003
* (Kiraan hari lewat bermula dari tarikh 1 Januari 2003 HINGGA 31 Mei 2003)
Pengiraan Kelewatan Serahan Milikan Kosong :-
= 10 % x (Harga Rumah) x (Bilangan Hari Kelewatan) / 365 Hari
= 10% x RM 100,000 x 151 hari / 365 hari
= RM 4,136.98
Pengiraan Kelewatan COMMON FACILITY (KEMUDAHAN MASYARAKAT)
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= 10 % x (20% daripada Harga Rumah) x (Bilangan Hari Kelewatan) / 365 Hari
= 10% x (RM 20,000) x 151 hari / 365 hari
= RM 827.4
Lain-lain kos yang difikirkan sesuai :-
a) Kos Penginapan/ Lojing & Pengangkutan (Tol, Petrol & Parking)= RM 100.00
b) Kos Pemfailan & Perhubungan dan lain-lain = RM 30.00


Added on December 20, 2011, 12:17 pmjuz got feedback about syabas water supply ....one of the buyer is didnt settle his old account. drag the whole 3 block without water installation...walao eh...tangguh lg


Added on February 27, 2012, 12:03 amGrill and awning price for full house = 1 main door, 1 balcony, 1 kitchen and 2 windows. Price accumulated will be about RM1400++ to RM3000++ which depends on the type of material use.


This post has been edited by dewill: Feb 27 2012, 12:03 AM
ecoliere
post Jan 29 2013, 03:00 PM

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Hi,

just wanna know is this apartment problem has been solved?
Got people occupy it already ?
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post Jun 27 2013, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(ecoliere @ Jan 29 2013, 03:00 PM)
Hi,

just wanna know is this apartment problem has been solved?
Got people occupy it already ?
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hai,

im planning to buy this apartment... can anyone tell me any new update for this apartment for now?

tq

 

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