err....the more i read...the more difficult to make my decision....

350D...quite cheap and good quality...i dont like it as this model is very old, and the screen is damn small

400D..nice cam...but the price is more expensive than 350D and D40, and is a bit out of my budget

D40..nice price, good quality BUT, must get a EF-s lens..and only 3 focus point.

feel like wanna get canon, as my cousin using canon and he has the L lens, i mayb can share with him...but 350D is an old model while 400D is quite expensive

D40 overall is a good camera...but i really wonder the 3 focus point will be a big problem in taking pic or not? And the nikon lens is cheaper compare to canon.

ahh....the pro and cons...really make me headache...and i wish to get it during May, so hopefully some1 can give more opinions here, so that i can decide faster



This post has been edited by jian.see: Apr 4 2007, 03:05 PM

May? How much more can you save till May?

I'd say get the 350D, you can use both EF and EF-S lens and without having to worry about getting imcompatible lens whereas D40 only have Af on AFs lens.

8mp and 6mp, more focus points, your cousin uses Canon -> can borrow lens anytime

like what Nairud said - the D40 does not have auto-focus on non AF-S / AF-I lens.

old model doesn't mean bad. i'm using 350D as well and AFAIK nairud was a 350D user too.

the most will be 3K...

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Added on April 4, 2007, 1:28 pmthanks for yr opinion goldfries and nairud...

hope to heard more from others;)

This post has been edited by jian.see: Apr 4 2007, 01:28 PM

Follow your heart....and get the one you feel the most one

3K can get 400D already. I think without accesories lah

ya, that is true..but i'll be broke at that time ...arhh...really dunno which to chose..

And i heard that canon kit lens is not as sharp as Nikon 1...that make me step back from canon...

er...how??

Canon KitLens not that bad as describe by certain ppls.

Used the Kitlens first. Later got $$$$ then get the 'L' Lenses lah

D40 have limitation. Better get 350D.

Aiyo...ragu so much and comparing so many you will never get one ...trust me.

Since u said 350D LCD small..drop it. D40 3 focus point also not meet ur requirement drop it also...

So u left 400D.

For newbiews (like me), start with kitlens first...FULLY utalise it until u think cannot extend anymore then only slowly upgrade..by that time u will know what length lens u want ....

chrisoys is right, kitlens is a lens..not something that after u snap and cannot accept the result ...

TS..put this on ur list too.. below 3k.

D40X ah...i better spend a bit to get better cam wo...if not i'll just pick D40..

Haaa ... this is where I will come in. For those ppl who say 'Canon's kit len is not as sharp as Nikon' I will alway have ONE advice ...

"Pay Nikon Rm2000+, get the D40 and find out"

After all, coming to real life photographic situation, a kit lens will NEVER EVER be enough regardless you're using Canon or Nikon, so why worry about the sharpness alone? If you have stepped back from Canon, then go the Nikon way. And oh, you might wanna try out the kit lenses that belong to Sony, KM, Pentax and Olympus as well. I also 'hear' that their kit lens are shaper than Nikon AND Canon.

What is wrong with you ppl-lah! LCD too small also complain. I am 1.8" LCD and cannot zoom also belum complain. The LCD is for checking the image and showing to girls only, still does not match monitor colour most of the time. If suddenly you cannot preview your pics then die-lor, can throw away camera liao-lor

find out wat? find out that Nikon kit lens is actually not that sharp compare to Canon? or Nikon kit lens is actually very very sharp??

both the same.

phew...luckily u say that...if not i'll crack my head to think which to buy again

kit lens is fine wan. even i'm using kit lens.

however before any idiot come and bash my statement above, please try to understand what i'm saying.

not everyone is into paying for lens, kit lens has its merits. it's later on (if you ever) you might feel that the kit lens doesn't suit or is not catering your style of photography, that's when you will look into other lenses.

for me? i've already reserved a zoom lens. next up are macro and prime lens. hehe. let's see how it goes.

and damn. need to get a bag and a manfrotto tripod. oh yeah and an external flash to replace my current cheapo-external flash (which i hardly utilize in the first place).

I need repeat again oredi ....

Canon win at speed, Nikon win at colour but colour computer can adjust...speed only camera can ....

Sharp or not sharp depend on the lens u using....

Ok...thanks for all the opinions;)

actually i take a lot of zoom photo. i use my fren DSLR b4, and i find that i need at least a 300mm zoom.

But, still i'll master my skill on kit lens first

you are agree that nikon colour than canon.......

If i can get 400D at RM2699. Do u all think it is worth to buy? with kit lens.

Getting cheap camera. Buy at your own risk.

i get it from the canon concept shop at Gurney wo ( actually havent get it, i just ask nia )....because i know that guy so he can give me this price.

I wonder can i get cheaper than that

This post has been edited by jian.see: Apr 6 2007, 08:45 AM

my opinion after owning a 400D for 2 weeks is the body is not really a big matter. I gave up D40 1st coz AF only works with AF lens. 2nd thing is u'll be holding & navigating the body all the time no matter what lens u r using. So, u must feel very confortable with the design or interface of the body.

u can play around with the kit lins 1st. but later u'll find out that the kitlens is just a waste of money(no offence to those who r using kitlens, forgive me coz i'm already poisoned by lenses). the price is at least 10x of a kitlens but u'll get 20x of satisfaction

This post has been edited by datto: Apr 6 2007, 12:11 PM

ehh. it's supposed to be that AF doesn't work with AF lens. you need AF-S / AF-I lens to get teh AF running.

yeah agree. but heck it doesn't have to be 10x more than kit lens.

i just bought a 70 - 300mm zoom with macro 1:2 for RM 600. very happy. just need to find a place to try it out.

so cheap with IS or not?

quick take more pics..and post it..i wanna c the result

used unit la. but ok what. lens you can always buy used unit.

make sure you know how to test it la or get it from trustable people.

no IS la. i don't recall seeing any without IS being so cheap. speaking of which, if you like IS you can go for Pentax or Sony but to wait for a used lens that fit it could take you forever.

oh i need IS

other brands like Nikon lens can fit to the canon body??

eh no leh. Nikon lens based on Nikon mount. Canon lens based on Canon mount.

however brands like Sigma and Tamron would have lens that fit various mounts.

the 70-300mm i bought was from Tamron, made for Canon mount.

oh icic...

But tamro and sigma is it cheaper than canon lens?

For those cannot afford Canon ori lens (like me) or beginner (like me also ) will prefer go for 3rd party lens...Tamron and Sigma is 2 famous maker...Tokina also but their choice lesser and price is higher...

Some sifu said some 3rd party lenses perform better then ori lens wor....i might wanna get myself ON with one in very near future

Anyway, again what u pay is what u get lor....

http://www.sigmaphoto.com/
http://www.tamron.com/
http://www.tokinalens.com/

depends, for sigma certain lens are expensive, but some arent, yet those not so expensive lens produce superb image quality, take the 10-20mm wide angle for instance, its one of the best lens around, and it doesnt cost more than 3k.

Dude, i'd suggest that you go for the 350D or the 400D, you wont have any regrets in the future, if u want to make it look like those pro cam, get a vertical battery grip

Thanks for all the suggestions
I think i'll get 400D mostly, next month
But now i wonder, which lens should i get? Sigma or Canon? i definetely need a 300mm lens.
Any1 can suggest me? and would love to know the price as well

Pls dont suggest me L lens...i'm very POOR

Thanks

This post has been edited by jian.see: Apr 8 2007, 08:26 AM

CANON'S EF 90 - 300mm 4.5-5.6 USM is about RM 650 for new unit.

oh..thanks..how bout 70-300mm? which 1 guve better quality? and is it important to hv IS??

70-300mm F4.5-5.6 IS USM is about RM3K you can get the 70-200mm F4L USM lens for about RM2.9K much more better quality than the 70-300mm

This post has been edited by chrisoys: Apr 8 2007, 09:08 PM

walau eh...dont suggest me L lens...but i remember the 70-300mm IS is about 2.3K...while with no IS, it is slih\ghtly over 1k?

Here is the list of Zoom lenses & latest pricing
http://www.canon.com.my/canon_new/product/lenses/zoom.php

oh then suppose to be 75-300mm...hehehe

since 75-300mm is a cheap lens...i wonder if get sigma at around this price, will i get better lens?

this is the one i bought. used unit.
http://www.tamron.com/lenses/prod/70300_di_a017.asp

new unit should be about RM 700.

might as well get this one instead of a Canon, cos this one starts at 70mm, while Canon 90mm and this one comes with 1:2 Macro.

Here is the link that all the Canon & 3rd party lenses review
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/index.html

It seem Canon lenses are perform way much better than the 3rd party lenses.

so is it good? mind to share the result

i wonder with no IS or VR, those avoid vibration thingy, will it affect alot??

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Added on April 8, 2007, 9:20 pmthanks for the useful link chrisoys

This post has been edited by jian.see: Apr 8 2007, 09:20 PM

If you are old man with shaky hand then better go for IS

Just kidding, IS did help abit it taking sharp image. But, if your hand did shake alot then it wouldn't help you much. You still need a steading hand to hold the camera to take nice pics.

hehe. there will be times that it's better to turn off the IS. this is what i read in a photography mag recently.

and when you're using zoom, i doubt IS is going to help you much cos every little move you make is magnified at the lens. what you need is a tripod.

lol..i'm still very young hahaha...

ok...thinking not to get IS..save a lot..hehehe, since i hv quite a steady hand..this prove when i take some night pic with no tripod.

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Added on April 8, 2007, 9:27 pmi'm actually thinking to get this Sigma AF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO DG macro. But hv no idea how much it cost

This post has been edited by jian.see: Apr 8 2007, 09:27 PM

I won't agree on this...but of course if can get back Ori would be good but it's pricy...not everyone rich like you

Hi to all the sifu here . I'm just a beginner in the DSLR territory. I'm have read that the D40X is suitable to noob like myself but I also read how good is the 400D is. Now I wonder if it is better to get the D40X or should I get the 400D instead.

400D, follow me ..their price just almost the same;)

Thank for the quick reply. I think the D40X is still very new in the market and most shops still don't have stock yet. Am I right to say D40X is the entry level DSLR but not 400D?

AFAIK, D40X is just upgrade version of 10MP's D40. D40 was bundle with limited feature...and now 400D is "beating" it by dropping price....

Go for 400D....if keep waiting than you forever never get one since by the time u wanna get new model coming out agian....

D40X not really official in market yet

attached are

1. zoom - sitting in my car at Damansara Uptown area, outside TM Clickers. Snapped across the 6 lane high-way, focusing on the pattern of the overhead bridge.

2. macro - standing about 1m away from my food. snapped in the kitchen.

EDITED :

NOTE : photos are un-retouched. only resized.
Canon 350D + Tamron AF70-300mm F/4-5.6 Di LD Macro 1:2

This post has been edited by goldfries: Apr 10 2007, 02:56 AM


Attached image(s)

wow...thanks for yr effort, appreacite it;)

BTW, these 2 pics are zoom at 300mm?

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Added on April 10, 2007, 8:37 amAnyone know this lens' price, Sigma AF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO DG macro??

This post has been edited by jian.see: Apr 10 2007, 08:37 AM

Taking this pic at 12midnight. No software editing just cropping only.

Canon 400D with EF 70-200mm F4L USM

wow..thanks for sharing the pic..
the L lens no doubt is very great..but i need at least 300mm...

BTW..is the lens that make the moon shape like this?

This post has been edited by jian.see: Apr 10 2007, 11:21 AM

how much now arh 400d and d40?

d40 price is like 2200 1gb sd tripod bag kitlens uv filter

400D 2699 for the body + Kit
D40 2080 for the body + Kit

hard making decision....
shop says d40 good into taking lanscape pic and 400d good into taking sports.
and i think 400d has better resell value.

RM2699? last two week i asked the price for 400d is RM2900+kit+lens only.
luckily i didn't bought it. if not sure very2 regret today.

This post has been edited by undazztood: Apr 10 2007, 01:16 PM

Don't think the lens make the moon shape like that.

huh? D40 good in taking landscape? y? nvr heard of it

IMO, landscape is the most easy thing to take, and almost all kinds of camera take nice landscape pic even with a PNS.

But of course have to be at right time to take nice landscape. esp when the sky is clear.

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Added on April 10, 2007, 2:10 pm2699 i dont think every1 can get this price actually, unless u know the person.

because i know that person ( not really know )..but my cousin purchase a lot of lenses from him..so he give me this price...

but sometimes i belive 2699 is not very cheap..cos some1 has the price of 2700 with body + kit + 1GB memeory card

This post has been edited by jian.see: Apr 10 2007, 02:10 PM

there is NO camera when specially design or better is taking Potriat, landscape or anything...

It's all about skill, control of your camera and the LENS you use ...of course speed of camera is very important also...400D !!

Have you heard of a Seitz or a Hasselblad or a Mamiya or even a Fujifilm or Pentax? not the 35mm though.

Skill, yes. Lens? not really. Speed? Generally dSLRs have the capability to do BULB, or 30secs to 1/4000secs for a shutter. Please look at this forum or other popular forums, there are plenty of nice photos, supposedly taken from a pro with expensive gears. You will be surprised with the equipments they use and whom they are.

My advise to you, you are so badly needed to develop your skills first rather than to bang the wall with a teaspoon. Also, there is the need to check with the facts PROPERLY preferably with hands-on knowledge. It will not make you more compelling among other photographers over here, instead you will be a laughing stock for the wickeds and you will confuse even more the already confused newbies asking for advice.

Remember, a photo speaks a thousand words!
It will not only tell what's within the photo but also how far are you in taking photos.

This post has been edited by kapchai: Apr 10 2007, 06:20 PM

99% pro photographers now a day depend on software editing. This is also due to photos taken in digital format not like last time using film. So, there is nothing to shout about in a pro photographers now a day.

Not everyone that own FilmSLR/DSLR must become a pro photographers. Everyone can own one or more FilmSLR/DSLR if they got $$$$$$. They can use expensive camera & lens to snap normal pics, there is nothing wrong about it.

"Photo speak a thousand word". So stop your nonsense and post more photos and let the photos speak for themself.

Cheers

You've totally missed the point. I'm generally telling g88 that gears does not matter and stop whining and get real. At the same time, don't confuse people with inaccurate information

agree with you...maybe some ppl just so skeptical .....

and now you know which shop to avoid. kindly name the shop please.

the 2nd pic at full zoom IINM. i found NEW unit of that same lens at RM 590 over at J-One amcorp mall. no filter la. you get your own filter.

see how sharp this pic is:P

you people just like to show-off your above RM 2k lens.

what 2k lens? 200mm pic only wut, not even 300mm yet.

hehe. in general la. your siggy sez it all.

If size does matter, then it's time for 500mm lens

why dont u look at this


All taken with the Sigma 70-300mm APO DG and extension tubes

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Added on April 11, 2007, 12:11 pmmore pics of Sigma 70-300mm
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showth...ma+70-300mm+APO

This post has been edited by jian.see: Apr 11 2007, 12:11 PM

My turn showing my doggie pics here using 70-200mm









Blue Sky with White Cloud




This post has been edited by chrisoys: Apr 11 2007, 12:33 PM

to jian.see

the sigma 70-300 apo macro is a good lens for starter with reasonable price...i heard some ppl complain about the slow AF...i think this will only know when u had a hand on experiment for it...

the macro mode only able to used on 200mm above so the focusing distance is 1m which is abit far but do u think it is a problem for u..and this lens is 1:2 but not the true 1:1 macro lens.

the pic u show, where this lens able to get such close up is bcoz of the extension tube..which reduce ur focusing distance so u can get closer to ur subject. i saw some ppl using this lens and produce excellent image..so i think skill play the main role..so no need worry about other...just buy whatever u wan...and learn from it...

thanks for the reply

as a beginner, i think this lens is suitable for me, although it has some draw back..but still it is worth for the price.

yupe, from the link that i have posted above, i saw some of them take nice, excellent pic with this lens, but of course some of them only produce so so pic, i 100% agree u the skill of a photographer is the main role.

Most probably i'll get this lens

yeah, my Tamron macro mode you have to set to 180mm - 300mm range then only can use.

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Added on April 11, 2007, 2:29 pmjust read the review of Sigma's 800mm lens. damn big, RRP is GBP 4499.

reminds me of your siggy. now if only i'm allowed to scan and upload that magazine article.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Apr 11 2007, 02:29 PM

I'm sure there's some news online which you can quote.
I'd like to have the Sigma 200-500mm f2.8

oh yes...u may also consider the tamron as well...price i think is almost the same..
the sigma build quality like not so good... for tamron... not sure...heard it is better..

Practical Photography magazine, November 2006 edition.

http://www.photographymags.co.uk/

...actually i read many reviews on sigma 70-300mm lens...most of them claim that this is the best among his brothers ( less expensive 70-300mm lens)

anyway, will read more reviews on tamro too

jian see,
how much u got the 70-200mm zoom lens ? new ?

huh? who told u that i get 70-200mm zoom lens??
i dont have this lens wo

I think g88 going to get one soon

stop poisoning me

just go and get 1 and shoot shoot shoot.....dun bli bli bla bla here

???...wat make u so angry???

i have get 1, and shoot a lot of pics and has posted in this forum

hey,

I am getting a 70-200F4 L IS as well. But not sure where is the best prices. I put advert but only few ppl contacted me. Am still scouting around for the best prices, but being in Johor, I am handicapped cos I can't go direct to shops in KL.....

@g88
Where u getting the 70-200?

This post has been edited by julchin_09: May 23 2007, 09:56 PM