Hi there car's sifu,

I plan to buy 2nd hand weekend car just to drive around town or layan corner around selangor, and maybe long drive to melaka/ipoh from kl. weekend car must have good hp and torque maybe close to 200bhp , i search carlist and finalize the candidate. Volkswagen Golf Gti (mk5) , Proton Satria Gti , and civic type r (hatchback) , all under rm50k, and year also the same 2000-2005, which car should i get?


Tldr best hatchback power 200hp under 50k

200hp kinda exaggerated just fast will do.

inalize the list and and advantages

1) VW golf gti mk5 -all wheel drive - dual clutch gb - powerful engine (2004-2005)

2) proton satria gti / neo - install turbo kits - good handling and good power to weight ratio. (2000-2005)

3)toyota altezza 3sge beams - stock already powerful - rear wheel drive - look good ( 2002-2004)

4) suzuki swift sport - nimble and agile - not to old - ( 2013-2014)

This post has been edited by gengkey01: Jul 19 2017, 01:09 PM

Suprima S? with a race chip it can be boosted upto 170hp

Why is Honda in the list?

This post has been edited by dstl1128: Jul 17 2017, 08:35 AM

Look for a used Ford Focus TDCi 2.0

Diesel, nuff said.

But the price can get under 50k ?

Volkswagen Golf Gti (mk5)
- sort of meets the criterias, within budget pretty decent everywhere else

satria gti
- this is sort of out of place no? might as well consider a modified neo.... (only an option if you know how to view modified cars)

civic type-r
- let me be frank, you will find it VERY difficult to find an ep3-r for this money.

alternatives
celica
- around the same age, offers decent performance (to be clear, the top end 2zz manuals are decent, rest are silly in my opinion )
- keep in mind, many adds listed on mudah are alot higher than what they tend to go for... (just saying)
- make sure to test life when you go for a test drive. and dont miss shift and the car is actually very reliable.

rx8
- also a nice car
- rotaries interesting but can be expensive

Type r - racing spec

Polo gti

no way

Ya golf gti mk5 is on my top list , i think spare part is kinda rare right, for satri gti i think 1.8 engine is sufficient right, im thinking of upgrading its suspension and tyre + paint since the price is quite low to other and budget is viable for upgrade. Celicas i dont know about it much, i know its 1.8 engine (around 180bhp) but trannny mostly auto kinda rare to find manual. Rx-8 is out of my list, fuel makan monster ( from what u heard,)and just dont like the look.

the golf is alot more powerful and is in the upper limits of your budget range while nowadays i have actually seen a few satria gti's (real gti's mind you, with the uprated chassis) change hands for significantly less than 20k.... which imo, is pretty decent and as you have said, leaves you alot for maintanance and upgrades. Parts are not really that difficult to find if you ask me...

if i were you, would take a look at celicas as well.... maybe the mrs even (tho body parts/trim are more difficult) cause its a lightweight mid engined rwd car.

**just so you know (im quite sure you already know) cars this old, are cash only if you dont take into account personal loans.

no love for 350Z?

my friend got 1 satria gti for sale... 21-22k ..if interested i pass my friend contact to you.

road tax very sakit yo....


170hp... well give n it has a turbo, and how easy it is to actually gain power on fi cars, ill just believe you BUT pose a counter question.... 170hp for how long? tranny can tahan? turbo seals? turbo itself? ohc?

unless everything else it uprated to withstand the same levels..... this might not be a great idea.

this.

Satria GTI got 200 hp meh?

No this 1 add to list cause can upgrade other part later, power i think sufficient enough.

golf got gear issue

dont buy

but will it cvt can handle those torque?

Golf gti mk5 have problem with its gearbox ? If there is problem should i change mind to other car? Conti car gb must be expensive and hard to find.celica okay too, maybe can add to list. Mrs too old and nit too my liking.

i vote satria GTI.

I should expect this..but but really like hot hatches car. Dont want spend time in workshop ..haihhhh

last time got few workshop offer for bolt on turbo for Campro CPS. somemore can get at those 180-190hp with driveability in town.

but must be in manual form, as auto got some problem in long run.

Satria neo campro cps only ke? Okay will research on this, hope doesnt burst over my budget for turbo add on.

r34 good

give a try

Needs tuning to get 180+ HP.

How reliable is the DCT gearbox, and how much must be set aside for gearbox repair?

It has to be at least 1.8L.


Anyway Satria GTi (and Putra) thief magnet.


You could also go Altezza BEAMS .

Volvo V50 T5, 230HP. Quite a bit newer than all others listed too.

R34 nissan?

r34 skyline nissan

Oh yeah i forgot about altezza..quite rare nowadays.

My budget 50k +- 10k ( for repair/upgrade) ..no way i can maintain 6 cylinder engine

http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/sho...ad.php?t=464787

Stim?

1)golf, has a wetclutch, so its more reliable then the typical ds's you are used to seeing.... do note however there are a few weak points with the engine itself...... so prepare some cash before getting one, just in case.

2)mrs is newer than some cars in your list, not sure what you are on about..... (note that im suggesting the mrs not mr2!!, these are diferent models)

3)if you are to go with a turbo-ed cps... i would suggest you forget about it and just get a pre-converted 4g63t/4g93t neo instead..... (do research and talk to ppl that have done it first b4 thinking about these modified cars.... )
compared to a bolt on cps... these are the pros: its actually built to deal with the turbo's output, the cps wasnt designed to take boost, wear and limits are diferent. tuning and parts can be less complicated cause at the end of the day, its a 4g. cons: a converted car needs to be checked throughly, why is the owner selling it? is it failing? is it built cheaply? did they do it right? what parts did they use? fc will be garbage.... 4g63t's are known to be very very powerful engines but they drink fuel like its free if you stay on boost often.

4)forget the r34.... any r34 you can find for 50-60k isn worth even considering

5)someone suggested the altezza? thats actually a good idea... manual with the 3sge (not the autos or lexus models with the 6 potter)

This post has been edited by lsm1991: Jul 17 2017, 01:12 PM

i hnnnnnggggggggggg...... his advert even neglects to mention some of the rare bits he has here n there....

Nice info , will take your advice and do more research about satria gti/ neo , about vw engine too, s since its weekend so im not worry about fuel just dont want car spend inside workshop.

Do buy honda or satria gti if you have a really good workshop to build it. Enuff said. Those type r (b18cr@k20ar) is a good engine but have to deal with a good build. And those 4g series, yeah. Also know how to build it. Go with newer cars if u dont want to spend so much money on repair maintanence etc. Just my 2 cent. And from experience and otai advices.

Honda b@k series and 4g series is easy to repair but hard to build to get a decent hp.

R34 Skyline GTR Nur Spec II with nismo engine?

Don't dream lah RM50k. I don't even believe you could get one with RM500k. Might as well mention Honda NSX-R.

http://m.mudah.my/view?ca=9_3_s&cg=1015&mk...&ad_id=55006836

Gti 200hp don't pm me I'm not seller 😌

im planning to buy r 35 sifu

dono which year should i choose

2013 or 2015 ??

Eh 2014 rm50k...must be scam

all bout money .. den ok

Go for audi TT mk1, make sure u choose quattro version with six speed manual ....
Even the with 1.8T and old engine, i dont think mk5 able to catch it up ....

1.The power.
2.The look.
3. The build.

Cause is not a gti, the title is a click bait

evo 7 ?

type R EP3

This one uk spec type r ke? Cun juga hothatch ni, you got exp with this car?

If i can get a satria with 4g63t engine i dont want to fork out more money for an evolution.

Toyota Mark X 2007 V6 2.5

230 hp only at 40k +

Actually i prefer hothatch and nimble car around corner, this is good car but i thnk doeent appeal to me.

a proper evo comes with a properly designed chassis for the engine AND 4wd.. the fwd setup on the neo will never achieve what the 4wd platform is capable of.

just keep in mind, evo7's more than 50k... lol even (real) evo 5's and 6's cost around that or more.

https://m.carlist.my/used-cars/2002-audi-tt...-repair/3905759

Fits your budget

Some more it's fairly reliable

nope..but im targetting it




uk spec not as powerful as JDM spec

I dont know about satria with 4g63t engine, exist ke

Buy a BMW E36 RM 10k

Plonk an sr20det RM 10

Balance use for maintenance and modification

built not bought... these fellas grease the right palms to get them road legal.....

sample pic for illustration purposes je...

Elantra Sport -200HP, 265Nm. No need to be a weekend car it can be your daily drive too.

Stim bro~! this really makes me stim.. nice ride there..

Infact muda itself is a scam! 2016 c klass only less than 150k! Who belip wor?

don't ...
that car is 180 5sp version and low spec
not worth it for that prices, especially the car from ML advance Kajang.

i think they still a few first gen satria with 63t, but the problem is the car with power but no joy on driving it (unless u look for power only).

What bout ML advance ?

Got any story ar

all fake information ...

if u find this car in mudah. would be top spec, which is fake (top spec don't use half cluster).
2. this car ain't TFSI engine.
3. 2002 black interior, interior n year make different.
this is what i can tell they lie, base on their ad.
i kena few time by them, they can even lie when we there, they can show me VW FSI engine, they tell me that is TSI engine, on grant it just miss type ... what a joker.

btw if u having chances to view this car, ask for grant, see owner before (name on grant), is that ang mo.

ts, you see, this is someone who knows what he is looking at..... this is why you need to know everything about the car you want to get.

the older satrias well.... problem with them is they are now very old. Many owners lepas tangan cause they have already 'played' with the cars and theres possibly too much work that needs doing. The newer satria neos with these evo engines, well they are not too badlah, chassis is pretty decent + the power to boot (one could even say too much for a 2wd to handle)

that involve a lot of school fees

subaru impreza wrx sti 2004

This post has been edited by apachai: Jul 18 2017, 03:56 PM

Out of your list above, the Altezza 6 speed manual should be the best choice. If later you got more budget, can turbocharge it or swap 1JZ turbo in it!

Other choice to consider maybe:
- Subaru Impreza WRX V8, can only get non STI for that budget but still pretty fast too.
- Accord Euro R CL1, pretty rare car.
- Mitsubishi Galant VR4, very old and rare car but still bloody fast.
- Suzuki Swift Sport ZC32S (from 2012 onwards). I know this is far below 200hp (only 136hp) but it's also a very light car at just slightly over 1 ton weight plus got 6 speed manual, so it's quite a zippy car. If you want it faster then can also install some turbo/supercharger kit which are available for this car. I mention this car coz you also put Satria GTI there.

Correct, Mark X 2.5 std power is around 200-212HP only, so not that fast considering it needs to haul 1.5-1.6 ton of weight.

Wow thanks for the infos, well altezza seem to be the best bet amng all the other candidate. Swift sport got good review by topgear and fifthgear show right. The year is an advantage among all, since just a few year old. Okay will look into it. Thanks man.

If you plan to go for Satria GTI. I suggest you go for Satria R3.
Own 1 before, the chasis is much better and lighter. It is damn fun to drive and easy to maintain. Regrets to sell it, should have keep it as weekend car.

This one on mudah seem very well maintain and mods from official R3.
http://www.mudah.my/2005+Proton+Satria+GTI...R3-56339677.htm

thnks man, appreciate it.

i saw on speedworks website they offer a turbo kits for neo cps but come with hefty price, what are your opinion on this? i know they are popular workshop should be good right.

well they are well known but i dont wana comment on their packages... they are hefty cause they have to a certain extent proven that their kit does produce around what they offer you... reliability is a whole different question. for neos, an alternative which i do feel is actually decent and is kinda special are the supercharged units... one or 2 companies like proreka offer kits for em

the altezza is a very nice car, worthy of contending in this list....

guest is right, if the satrias are listed here, the swift s too deserves to be listed. The only advantage of owning a satria here is the abundance of replacement bits littered wherever you look. (hunting for spare parts can get tiring)

but i see one major problem with TS, basically he dunno what he want other than Horse Power and certain prices range, so we can see all sort of recommendation ....... from 4dr sedan to coupe, ff, fr n 4wd, all different behavior n for different usage or different type of fun ...

i like CL7 .....

Honda eg or ek with k20 or b18 engine.

Fwd. You won't crash. Can learn alot of driving skill. And have fun on touge road. Maintainence cheap..

If newer ride. Swift sport. But it's only 135hp. Tuning parts can be expensive too..but so is the same for Honda....

Turbo satria all. Don't la. It's hard to drive and..mitsubishi performance engine isn't that reliable also. .. Not to mention, Satria/wira chassis if cruise over 200kmh.wont feel safe.

yeah, i noticed..


before preceeding any further.... i think you should figureout stuff like what you want to do with it, what you would like to achieve.... do you need to carry things? old people?....... better think it all out.

cl7's general market value is over 50k, dnt think he will be able to find one.


if you are gona avoid the mitsu's (especially the terbalik ones) for reliability issues, you might was well forget the b series hondas.... k series, yeah those are like the terbaliks, generally more reliable cause its basically a newer engine. and let me be very frank, an eg/ek at 200km/h doesn't exactly fill you with the sense of safety either.

This post has been edited by lsm1991: Jul 19 2017, 10:02 AM

Volvo S40 T4 - 200bhp stock.

Yup, all reviews said the SS is a very fun car to drive. With the SS you get a much younger car and therefore should be less hassle to repair, plus you can still get loan! It's a sleeper car as well since not many will expect it to be quite as sporty. Install a turbo/supercharger kit then it will be a giant killer!

CL7 is still overpriced at above 60k, certainly above TS 50k budget!

I know rear wheel drive you can drift and front wheel drive easier to steer..haha play forza before

I duuno lear when hear volvo automatically i picture a camping car hahaha

You mean v50 T5

not that only, plenty stuff different, power and car behavior also tons of different ......
u want 280 bhp but only fun on straight road or a car with strong handling ?

I want best of both world..fast and steady layan corner.

hahah

Try first bro. One of the earliest commercial car with turbine on market. Lesser turbo lag compare with majority brand now.


Nope. v50 T5 should be more than 200bhp, its around 220bhp ++

there must be some give..... you cannot have - low cost, low maintenance, frugal, fast,great handling - all in one package...

would like to know whats your definition of 'fast' and what kind of cars have you tested? If you are able to give an example of what you are expecting, might be better...


so masuk service nak bayar berapa?

takut service mahal jgn pakai kete bro. Furthermore TS asking for 200bhp car, vios gaban <110bhp pun ade cost repair.

not the point im trying to make friend.... but i know that these volvos, their replacement parts cast a pretty penny compared to the other cars in his list.

Its not about takut service, its about how much you pay to service it, VS what it offer's ts. This car isnt that fast in a straight line nor is it great round the bends. (well, will admit top end is pretty decent)

reason why I suggest to TS because this model in particular sharing the same platform with Proton Waja.... You do the maths on the cost involve....

the older gen1 shares bits with the waja (and wiras) but the gen 2 does not. i do assume we are talking about the gen 2 here, the gen 1 is quite abit older......


** i stand corrected........ you did mention t4 so you are talking about the older 1st gens.
been assuming you were suggesting the gen2 those are expensive. gen1's i dont know if those are 'cheap' to jaga....

This post has been edited by lsm1991: Jul 19 2017, 03:21 PM

Why not you try to search from the engine size. best 4 cylinder engine. like EVO etc.

FIXED

Not much i tried normal car only, viva, myvi, jazz, civic and bmw e90 . But ofcoz normal style driving. Actually i'm not a fast 180km/h highway driver, just got triggered by the jepunis tv show touge drift king, haha,wanna feeling feeling drive jdm/conti hatchback with loud exhaust car on winding road.😂