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post Apr 3 2007, 06:18 PM

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If you want a shortlist of tank gear this is a pretty good list. There are some stuff missing, but most of it is from 5-man dungeons.

Go to the Sample Builds and choose "Protection: Tanking"
http://www.wow-loot.com/warrior.htm#set

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Helluva lot easier to get good daggers compared to fist weapons. Having said that IMO this is the coolest looking weapon in game:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29348



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post Apr 3 2007, 09:36 PM

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well thanks a lot after all day of hardwork and when i m return to see my thread there's full of replies... well mostly what you all said is quite through... the mace is lame, also my party members. smile.gif i don have much of a choice of getting party as we are guildies... haha.. the mage is sux at kiting and he only want to focus on the boss and complains that he cannot take hits from the mobs if he attacks... the rogue don have crowd control so it will be a problem when too many mob coming in and the 2 priest are HOLY Specs.. haha... i don have much choice of choosing ppl as i m stayin in the low pop us server and hardly to find ppl running instance when we play...
wanna get a better weapon but mostly i was call up to run instances and less questing... so hard to get a good 1h weapons...


Added on April 3, 2007, 9:42 pm
QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 2 2007, 06:30 PM)
ok first of all the rogue prolly suck, asking a prot tank for more dps is plain dumb, he should be asking for more threat to unleash more dps instead.

for you, a few tip:

when the boss is blade dancing, STAND STILL. hold ur right mouse button to turn and FACE him wherever he is, to reduce the dmg he do to you from blade dancing. once he is done, immediately TAUNT as he does reduce ur aggro by a certain ammount, this is to ensure no aggro loss will happen while boss is blade dancing and say ranged dps class such as mage or healer healing getting aggro. after taunt to put you on to SECOND place of the aggro list, IMMEDIATELY shield slam. of course hopefully by now after first blade dance you have 5 sunders stacked, if not, always remember to get 5 sunders up ASAP and maintain it via devastate, but shield slam is still your most important aggro generation skill, so use it EVERYTIME its cooled, if low rage, save rage for shield slam priority. if got spare rage, just spam ur devastate and if you got more spare rage, toss in hs's (this is only when ur having excess rage because it negates ur normal swing to generate rage)

also dont forget to maintain battleshout 100% as it boosts ur aggro, dmg, and rogue/hunter etc's dmg. by any chance ur rogue or any other melee class or urself going low hp, commanding shout.

to summarize:
sunder armor 5 stacked up asap, and maintained 100%
battleshout maintained 100% (commanding if low hp)
during blade dance, stand still and face ur warrior to the boss to mitigate his blade dancing dmg
after boss blade dance, TAUNT THEN shield slam

for the ranged dps such as mage/hunter:
cc if possible, and focus more dps on boss

rogue:
if possible, let the ranged dps or other classes to handle adds while he 100% non stop focus boss. due to the nature of CP generation, if the rogue have to switch target constantly, his dps will be limited and its not desirable if what you're lacking is dps.

to everyone excluding you:
SPREAD OUT

WHEN BLADE DANCE OCCURS, DO NOT BE ANYWHERE NEAR WITH YOUR TEAMMATES, PETS COUNTED, HAVE THE PETS POSITIONED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
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thanks for the tip... will give it another try... haha we just never give up...


Added on April 3, 2007, 9:44 pm
QUOTE(saingau @ Apr 2 2007, 04:54 PM)
Something I can add that hasnt been mentioned so far...

1. Adds come every 30 secs. Get a mage to CC one add while he dps. For your next run, try to replace a priest with another dps class, e.g. hunter (ice), lock (CC / Fear), which can assist in CC while dpsing. Warrior can fear if needed.

2. Rogue MIGHT have a point IF this is all you're doing "i just throw sunder amor and devestate, and sheild slam". Where's the heroic strike? smile.gif
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hmm i never think of Heroic strike when i m in def mode... it is too slow and i prefer devestate... well maybe i'll put it back to my defence stance action bar

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post Apr 3 2007, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(ilovenba @ Apr 3 2007, 09:36 PM)
well thanks a lot after all day of hardwork and when i m return to see my thread there's full of replies...  well mostly what you all said is quite through... the mace is lame, also my party members. smile.gif  i don have much of a choice of getting party as we are guildies... haha.. the mage is sux at kiting and he only want to focus on the boss and complains that he cannot take hits from the mobs if he attacks... the rogue don have crowd control so it will be a problem when too many mob coming in and the 2 priest are HOLY Specs.. haha... i don have much choice of choosing ppl as i m stayin in the low pop us server and hardly to find ppl running instance when we play...
wanna get a better weapon but mostly i was call up to run instances and less questing... so hard to get a good 1h weapons...


Added on April 3, 2007, 9:42 pm
thanks for the tip...  will give it another try... haha we just never give up...


Added on April 3, 2007, 9:44 pm
hmm i never think of Heroic strike when i m in def mode... it is too slow and i prefer devestate... well maybe i'll put it back to my defence stance action bar
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you will NEED heroic strike from time to time, so long you have enough rage to shield slam, and provide constant devastate spam AFTER 5 sunders, you can start spamming HS to burn excess rage. hs is good because it doesnt share your GCD (global cooldown), meaning, you can devas/shieldslam/revenge etc etc WHILE STILL spamming hs (provided you have the rage to do so).

another good usage of HS is initial aggro. for example, on pulls, you can queue in a HS AND a sunder, so in case sunder gets dodged/missed/parried, HS have a chance to keep the mob on you, and not lose aggro because 1.5 sec GCD screwing your follow up aggro ability. (1.5 sec can be very crucial in endgame/high dps parties) another backup is taunt which doesnt have GCD attached but seriously, id save the taunt cooldown if possible. (especially when fighting multiple mobs, rush in for a hs+sunder on one and taunt the other then tab and aggro him then when both having a sunder each, thunder clap and demo shout and tab to spam shieldslam/sunders/revenge/devastate.)

devastate is a good skill but, only after you have 5 sunders up. if your devastating a target without 5 sunders, ur only wasting your rage, time, and your party's time by providing poor aggro or worse, losing aggro.
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post Apr 4 2007, 12:08 AM

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Tanking is not about dps, it's about generating aggro efficiently. Bladefist needs a group of good dps to kill him fast enough before the adds spawns too fast. Having 2 Priests healing will give a lot of problems to the group because you are lacking of dps.

You need to have 1 to kill adds until Bladefist is <40% HP and 1 Priest to dps if they have damage talents with dps gear, not healing gear. The one who kill adds needs to make sure the healer doesn't get any aggro. That is my solution to the OP. Everyone needs to go nuts on the boss once the adds spawns too fast. You will either get too many adds or your healer will run out of mana if the fight is too long.

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post Apr 4 2007, 05:06 AM

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QUOTE(ilovenba @ Apr 3 2007, 09:36 PM)
well thanks a lot after all day of hardwork and when i m return to see my thread there's full of replies...  well mostly what you all said is quite through... the mace is lame, also my party members. smile.gif  i don have much of a choice of getting party as we are guildies... haha.. the mage is sux at kiting and he only want to focus on the boss and complains that he cannot take hits from the mobs if he attacks... the rogue don have crowd control so it will be a problem when too many mob coming in and the 2 priest are HOLY Specs.. haha... i don have much choice of choosing ppl as i m stayin in the low pop us server and hardly to find ppl running instance when we play...
wanna get a better weapon but mostly i was call up to run instances and less questing... so hard to get a good 1h weapons...
I was going to type a lot and then realised I went into a rant.

Sounds like your guildies need to learn more about teamwork and stop thinking that kiting is a small job. If you guys are having problems now, wait until Heroic Instances.

Ask them to run PUGs once in a while. If anything, PUG groups can teach a player how to play better due to mixing with extremely good players or bad players (you find that you'd work harder).
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post Apr 4 2007, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(ilovenba @ Apr 3 2007, 09:36 PM)
well thanks a lot after all day of hardwork and when i m return to see my thread there's full of replies...  well mostly what you all said is quite through... the mace is lame, also my party members. smile.gif  i don have much of a choice of getting party as we are guildies... haha.. the mage is sux at kiting and he only want to focus on the boss and complains that he cannot take hits from the mobs if he attacks... the rogue don have crowd control so it will be a problem when too many mob coming in and the 2 priest are HOLY Specs.. haha... i don have much choice of choosing ppl as i m stayin in the low pop us server and hardly to find ppl running instance when we play...
wanna get a better weapon but mostly i was call up to run instances and less questing... so hard to get a good 1h weapons...
If your mage is having problems with the adds, there's another way of doing this. Tank the boss near the stairs, and try to grab the adds are coming in ( I believe they spawn every 30 seconds), taunt them and lay a few sunder and back to da boss.

Make sure you dont go all the way down the stairs, when the encounter starts 2-3 rogues will spawn outside the ring.
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post Apr 4 2007, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(xiaosin @ Apr 4 2007, 07:55 AM)
If your mage is having problems with the adds, there's another way of doing this. Tank the boss near the stairs, and try to grab the adds are coming in ( I believe they spawn every 30 seconds), taunt them and lay a few sunder and back to da boss.

Make sure you dont go all the way down the stairs, when the encounter starts 2-3 rogues will spawn outside the ring.
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mages that have problems with the adds that can be 2-4 shotted or sheeped/kited?!?!?!?!

BLASHPEMY!

THIS IS MADNESS!!!

THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!
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post Apr 4 2007, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 4 2007, 08:38 AM)
mages that have problems with the adds that can be 2-4 shotted or sheeped/kited?!?!?!?!

BLASHPEMY!

THIS IS MADNESS!!!

THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!
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well his mage complained that he doesnt wanna get hit ma whistling.gif
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post Apr 4 2007, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(xiaosin @ Apr 4 2007, 08:51 AM)
well his mage complained that he doesnt wanna get hit ma  whistling.gif
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then his mage deserves to die and have a hefty repair bill. L2P, QED.
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post Apr 4 2007, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 4 2007, 09:46 AM)
then his mage deserves to die and have a hefty repair bill. L2P, QED.
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but but but its between a succesful run and not sweat.gif
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post Apr 4 2007, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(xiaosin @ Apr 4 2007, 10:39 AM)
but but but its between a succesful run and not  sweat.gif
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aiyo, was that you ah? doh... take a 1K hit for the team and trust the healer to heal u fast enough. happy.gif
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 4 2007, 11:11 AM)
aiyo, was that you ah? doh... take a 1K hit for the team and trust the healer to heal u fast enough. happy.gif
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or l2kite/dps and not take a hit at all?
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post Apr 4 2007, 12:36 PM

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sweat.gif I'm not teh mage lei, im just sharing my experience as a tank
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QUOTE(xiaosin @ Apr 4 2007, 12:36 PM)
sweat.gif I'm not teh mage lei, im just sharing my experience as a tank
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heh, well, when I made that comment, it was in relation to what you did point out, that the mage didn't expect to get hit while kiting. almost impossible not to get at least a hit from adds. the mage isn't a hunter with aspect of the cheetah on.

our brains know that we will all get hit by mobs. trick is dealing with it mentally not to panic and worry and get worked up about getting hit. that's probably what's happening in the group, especially with the mage saying that sort of comment.

tank is suppose to get hit anyways. Heh!
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 4 2007, 01:34 PM)
heh, well, when I made that comment, it was in relation to what you did point out, that the mage didn't expect to get hit while kiting. almost impossible not to get at least a hit from adds. the mage isn't a hunter with aspect of the cheetah on.

our brains know that we will all get hit by mobs. trick is dealing with it mentally not to panic and worry and get worked up about getting hit. that's probably what's happening in the group, especially with the mage saying that sort of comment.

tank is suppose to get hit anyways. Heh!
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wrong, unless its a hunter type add, the rest cant lay a finger on the mage. even being fire spec, fnova/coc/rank1 frostb is your friend.

for the mentality part, thinking that ur god and you blow faces up helps. being dead and getting hit just cant fit the picture.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 4 2007, 02:09 PM)
wrong, unless its a hunter type add, the rest cant lay a finger on the mage. even being fire spec, fnova/coc/rank1 frostb is your friend.

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although Q, u gotta admit, majority of mages today aren't able to avoid hits wells, especially when resists happen to fnova/coc/rank1 frostb.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 4 2007, 02:45 PM)
although Q, u gotta admit, majority of mages today aren't able to avoid hits wells, especially when resists happen to fnova/coc/rank1 frostb.
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that is true for sure. pretty much, same works for every class, you get the majority of rotten apples, and a minority of juicy ripe ones.

resists is bad, but its not gonna make a mage look bad. i mean, chances for all 3 types of spell to resist is fairly low, and i havent list out everything a mage can STILL throw at their foes should the above 3 gets resisted tongue.gif
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post Apr 5 2007, 01:36 AM

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And remember to all out DPS the boss when he hit 15%. As for the adds that comes at that time ... just CC or fear them. smile.gif
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QUOTE(cityman @ Apr 5 2007, 01:36 AM)
And remember to all out DPS the boss when he hit 15%. As for the adds that comes at that time ... just CC or fear them. smile.gif
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all out dps when hes 99% doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 5 2007, 04:08 AM)
all out dps when hes 99%  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Haha ... i meant those on adds also full dps the boss cos at that stage, the adds just spawn too fast for u to kill. My usual SH run our strat is to put two range eg hunter / mage / lock to take care of adds and if not then dps boss. It is much easier as the adds got taken cared of quite fast and not taxing the mana of either party. When the boss hit the 15% mark, we on adds will normally ignore the adds to full dps the boss till death.


Btw, i m playing in Jubei'Thos.

Nick is Polara. Any1 playing there can just hit me up haha.


And arghh ... got killed by KEK on last Sunday when i zone out from Kara ... !@#$ got killed by Penghulu i think and 10 mins later when we hordes try to kill him, he zone in. !@#$ hehe. Bleh. This is off topic btw u guys can ignore me. haha.

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