You could be right but in my opinion, in China, the "fuel dilution gate" was much more widespread and gained rather serious media attention compare to like US. CRV was actually banned for several months (don't know the exact duration) until their solution was approved and recall began in late May 18.

I took at look at the sales chart of CRV in China:
Aug 18 --> Not top 10 list
Sep 18 --> 8th
Oct 18 --> 9th
Nov 18 --> 4th

Recall in May 18, and Oct 18 the temperature started to drop. Also I have browsed thru a few of their major automotive websites (e.g. autohome.cn), their forum was used to fill with fuel dilutionl complaints, but recently, I have not seen any.

Combining the sales figure as well as what I have seen in their automotive forum, at least it points to some positive outcome from the recall.

I bet we will know very soon after this winter season.

This post has been edited by l2k: Dec 29 2018, 09:00 AM

To be honest, you are asking in the wrong place. Just like you ask in the CX5 club if CRV is better? BTW, why get a C segment SUV if you are single?

My suggestion, really, go to test drive yourself, it won't take you too much time.

If you ask me, below are my comments:
(Assuming you are not getting a diesel car, which put CX5 2.2 out of the list.)

Performance: CRV 1.5 turbo performance is about on far with CX5 2.5. However, you will have to cope with the CVT not so direct feeling during initial acceleration. CX5 6 speeder will give you a more direct feel.

Handling: This is a very subjective area. CX5 as I know has stiffer (but well sorted) suspension and more direct handling feel, CRV is softer sprung which leads to more body roll. Don't get me wrong CRV can absorb bumps well. However, I wish to highlight the word "subjective" as there were test conducted by professional car website like autohome.cn, which showed that in saloom and some cornering test, CRV did not lose out to CX5.

NVH: Seems like CX5 wins in this category. Personally I feel that CRV is OK, just that the tyre noise is a bit prominent at speed above 100km/h, depends on road condition. if compare to Civic, CRV is much quieter. Also, this is something that can be solved by better tyres.

Fuel consumption: I guess is about on par with CX5 2.0, better than CX5 2.5. I can average about 11-12km/l 100% city drive (without ECON). Highway 110-120km/h gives ~15km/l.

Interior and boot space: CRV wins by a margin in this department. Well known feature including a big center armrest compartment that can fit a handbag.

Interior quality: Alot of people say CX5 has better interior quality, I have no issue with CRV interior.

Others: CRV has android auto and apple car play, which I really love alot. Power boot if you get the TCP. Active cornering light if you get the TCP.

p/s: I spare parts, Mazda tends to be more expensive. So if you plan to keep the car more than 5 years, do consider this as well.


BTW, if you are getting a CRV, I suggest to get the top spec TCP. The adaptive cruise control and low speed follow + lane keep assist really make highway driving a breeze.

This post has been edited by l2k: Jan 31 2019, 09:14 PM

Just to share.

CR-V wins latest Motor Trend compact SUV comparison test
8. Chevy Equinox
7. Jeep Cherrokee
6. Nissan Rogue
5. Hyundai Tucson
4. Toyota RAV4
3. Subaru Forester
2. Mazda CX-5
1. Honda CR-V

"Now with the whole of its competitive set assembled, the CR-V shines again. No crossover provides a better overall balance than the Honda. It's fun to drive yet still comfortable. It's quick yet efficient. It's affordable yet still well equipped. And it's compact outside and spacious inside. The Honda CR-V is not only the best in this segment, but its crossover appeal should also put it on the short list of anyone shopping for a new family ride of any shape or size. With a CR-V this good, it's easy to see why the sedan is on its way out."

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/honda/cr-v/...nd-toyota-rav4/

Engine oil + drain plug washer are not included in 1.5T maintenance as it follows the maintenance minder. While on the other hand 2.0's engine oil follows 10k / 6 months schedule.

So 1.5T can be more expensive to service if you tends to stuck in jam, idling alot, etc, as you might need to change engine oil more often.

I admit that I have some bias towards CRV since I own one That's why I have repeatedly suggested to anyone to test drive both cars to find out which one you like.

Although it is quite unlikely to test drive in a exact same route for different test driving, but at least test out different road condition (don't just drive on smooth surface, every cars will be quiet on nice road except maybe viva ), try some hilly road to test low end torque. Additionally, if the 3s/4s is close enough to your daily route, do test on those same route, you will be able to compare at least to your current ride.

This post has been edited by l2k: Feb 8 2019, 08:53 AM

You can refer to Honda current promotion page, but only apply for car registered before 28 Feb, which I doubt if you book now, you will be able to get it registered..

https://www.honda.com.my/promotions/promotions_details/145

I believe the SA can give personal rebate, but it depends on your relationship with the SA. Honda as one of the hottest brand, do not have problem selling their cars, so don't expect a huge amount of personal rebate. You can try smaller dealers.

This post has been edited by l2k: Feb 14 2019, 02:36 PM

I have not test driven the 2.0 but general insight is that 2.0 on segment C or above SUV class vehicle is gonna be a little bit under-power.

From personal experience with 1.5t (which is also my first turbo) is I really like how I don't need to rev it pass 2k - 2.5k to have adequate acceleration. If you on ECO mode, engine rarely rev pass 1.5-2k with light throttle, but it is a bit sluggish to my taste. Once you rev it pass 3k, you can really feel the acceleration, even above highway speed limit.

In terms of fuel consumption, from what I know 1.5t is slightly better than 2.0.

If really nick-picky about the 1.5t, I can think of 3 small "issues". 1st, the sound of the high pressure injector could be heard especially during low speed high load condition (I believe 2.0 with port injection would be less audible), and the engine note of 1.5t is not exactly sweet (probably amplified by CVT). However, once you get to certain speed, the engine is very quiet. 2nd, it depends on your commutation style, 1.5t may require you to change engine oil more often. 3rd, this is a newly developed engine compare to the tested and proven R20 2.0 engine, no one knows about the longevity of the engine yet.

p/s: i wouldn't consider 1.5t oil dilution as a problem to our country mainly because it happens in cold climate country and with specific driving style (very short distance, engine never able to warm up enough)

This post has been edited by l2k: Feb 20 2019, 08:53 PM

If Honda wants to capture more market share, they should at least include the basic CMBS in all the variants right from the lowest spec. I remember a good quote from Buycartv (famous taiwan reviewer) "the car manufacturer tends to only spec in the active safety features in the top range, does it mean that only the rich people life are more worthy?"

I can understand this is a marketing ploy to lure more buyers to the top variant but at least they can include the basic one like CMBS as an optional feature for people to choose. Imagine if every car manufactures practise this, how many accidents can be prevented?

This post has been edited by l2k: Feb 25 2019, 09:34 AM

I never think x70 bell and whistles are really that useful. Autonomous braking also only comes with x70 premium. This thread is not that active anyway, a bit off topic I guess isn't that serious

Proud owner of a TCP btw, not someone trying to hijack the thread.

You can always look up the Honda CRV official page for the spec. Just for your further info, the CMBS system is also not perfect. So i wouldn't surprise even if she was driving a TCP, she still can hit you from the back.

1. The car speed must be >15km/h.
2. The car speed difference between your car and the front car must be >15km/h.

Partially agree with you. Anyway, I still remember the day when the air bags are only present for top spec. Same here for active safety. If government enforces at least CMBS on all new vehicles, definitely the accident rate will be reduced.

From hardware perspective, I do agree that installing the full sensing hardware will be costly and jack up the BOM cost. However, manufacturer can always design multiple variants on same hardware to depopulate / populate certain features (e.g. radar alone, radar + camera, different spec of radar, different processor spec, etc). It is slighly costlier to maintain inventory with more variants and definitely more RnD expenses have to be invested to design reconfigurable hardware, but top 5 car manufacturer like Honda could probably has enough resource to execute this. Unfortunately, short term profit is always weigh above the long term stuff. Hopefully government will enforce this someday in the future.

This post has been edited by l2k: Feb 25 2019, 04:02 PM

1st video: I never experienced that before. The CMBS works in 3 stage. 1st stage: beep warning + display on lcd, 2nd stage: apply brake, 3rd stage: emergency brake.
2nd video: Probably changing the windshield affects the camera, just my theory anyway. A camera calibration may be able to fix it, but I am not sure if Honda Malaysia can do that.

I think I share some of this before:

CMBS: Be aware that there is some limitation, the speed need to be at least 15km/h, and the speed difference between your vehicle and the front has to be at least 15km/h as well. Meaning it will not trigger if you just inching forward.

LKAS: Very good, I usually enable this during highway trip. The steering correction is not overly aggressive and it can even identify faded markings. It actually force you to drive safely by giving turning on indicator before changing lane.

ACC + LSF: Works better than what I expected but it is not perfect. Very useful during bumper to bumper situation. It has 4 distance settings. I do find that setting distance to the closest, the braking is a little bit late and too aggressive. Usually I will use distance of 2-3. The ACC is fine, but being a computer software algorithm, I find that human is smarter. For example, if a cut cut into the lane, human may not apply brake immediately and let your car coast a bit, but honda sensing will react faster and more aggressive. End of the day, it is software algorithm that won't let you violate what you have set. The ACC also can accelerate quite aggressively if the speed difference is alot. Usually I will not directly set let say 100km/h, will try to increase the speed incrementally. Short press will increase speed by 1km/h, long press will round up number and increase by 10km/h.

Regarding the engine noise thing, I felt that CVT is the culprit and perhaps, less sound deadening material used. it is acceptable for me anyway. Actually, I think CRV masks away the low frequency too much, leaving only the high pitch fuel injection noise & perhaps CVT valve vibration noise ? The engine is quite muted after getting to highway speed. I do agree that the engine tone is not smooth and sweet. However, what you gain is long term, which is very good fuel consumption for a big car like CRV.

On practicality wise, I think I don't need to share as CRV is well known for this.

At the end of the day, what I can share doesn't equal to what you will feel, why don't you just go and test drive? You can collect and research as much as you want, the end of the day, those are all just personal feeling. For example, everyone is sensitive to different frequency.

This post has been edited by l2k: Mar 7 2019, 08:32 PM

Although Honda sensing is not perfect, but it can provide an almost semi autonomous driving experience. Besides stop sign and traffic light, can you imagine that I can drive from my house, to nearest shopping mall 80% with acc lsf? The leftover 20% is traffic lights, junction and parking lot. Anyway, I still enjoy driving myself, I did this just for the sake of testing.

From what I know the sensor location is behind the rearview mirror, not 100% sure.

Theortically, if tint could affect the sensor, it will only make your headlight turning on much earlier and under brighter ambient as tint will block extra amount of light.

Mine is working perfectly but I wish I could make it less sensitivie. The only thing I have not verified is the TCP only automatic high beam, never have seen it triggered yet.

It is welding point, not solder joint. Solder joints are for electronics components on printed board

Some small update regarding the Honda Sensing performance:

I was driving on highway yesterday in a quite heavy rain. Both the ACC and LKAS were able to function properly. LKAS relies on camera, and it seems to be doing a slightly better job than my eyes, and only in 1 occasion where the blurry road stripes coupled with heavy rain, the LKAS would not be able to recognize (I able to steer out of the lane without warning). If it is not too blurry, the rain will not degrade the camera, or the LKAS. ACC on the other hand, is really a saviour especially in heavy rain condition as it can react typically faster than my reaction time.

So for those who are still considering whether TC-P worth it, my take is although it is always perceived as a "quality of life" feature, but in certain condition, it could actually really become a "stress reliever" especially if you don't have a good eyesight.

This post has been edited by l2k: Apr 1 2019, 03:03 PM

7 months, no issue so far. Gear knob still feel solid. Powerful and fuel efficient engine (1.5T).

Honda sensing is one of the most advance semi autonomous driving aid system in the price range. To answer your question, yes, it's called CMBS (collision mitigation brake system).

This post has been edited by l2k: May 17 2019, 09:42 PM

Let me give you my 2 cents here.
CVT:
Could you clarify your opinion on CVT is based on your test drive experience or just your imagination and assumption? From what I know, Honda's CVT has been regarded as one of the best in the business. For example, my previous ride was a Hyundai 6 speed C-seg and I dare to say I prefer CVT to the Hyundai 6 speed. Going up Genting for example, is a much smoother experience in CVT as 6 speed need to constantly downshift and stuff, while CVT just keep the engine in the sufficient power band. As long as you don't engage ECON mode, the delay is not noticable. 2 seconds is really an exaggeration. My CRV 1.5 turbo can easily touch 180km/h and above in the highway (Easily means I don't need to rev above 3.5k-4krpm). For overtaking, i don't even think paddle shift is necessary, to be honest. Honda's CVT has been programmed to minimize "rubber banding", meaning when you suddenly step on the throttle hard, it will give you a sense of downshifting like normal AT (menaing the rpm will spike, rather than increasing slowly).

Compare to CX5 2.2D or any turbo diesel
No doubt turbo diesel will have much superior bottom end torque. Few things you have to consider though.
1. Diesel - Availability of diesel 5 around your area.
2. Internal space - You are not driving alone all the time, sometimes you would need to fetch your parents, co-workers, friends.... From my experience, it is a bit cramped at the back with 3 people in CX5 (of course depends on the individual size). CRV also has superior boot size.
3. Entertainment/Utility - Do you need android auto/apple car play? It is really useful for me

I won't list everything, you can just read the old threads.. You should really just go and test drive. I cannot comment on CX5 2.2D because I never test drove one.

This post has been edited by l2k: Aug 3 2019, 11:37 AM

Regarding coating:
I have done coating on my CRV and I would say the result is excellent. Coating is not about protecting your paint only as it also greatly improve my car washing experience. The dust and dirt will not penetrate into the paint which make car washing a very very simple process. There is a myth to bust here though. You still need to wash your cash with coating. Yes, one can argue that you could always repaint the car after x years, but I would argue that if you don't care about the car, all the scratches, stone chip, black "dots" will appear in less than 1 year. Depends on which shop and package, coating also includes interior and plastic, so it will prolong those plastic lifetime.

Another thing, maybe not so important. I do not have to turn on my wiper during light - medium rain, the water repellent is excellent.



This post has been edited by l2k: Aug 3 2019, 09:57 AM