What is the different between plasma tv and LCD TV (FullHD)..... can someone tech me... if i planning to get a LCD or plasma to fully support PS3, which brand should i choose.... samsung or sony....

Plasma have only 8 years lifetime bcoz it use gas to operate while LCD might last up to 10 years plus.

if u r thinking that u'll update u r system after 5 years, then plasma will be good. the picture much better than lcd. but the price will be much high.

This site would be a good read
http://www.flattvpeople.com/tutorials/lcd-vs-plasma.asp

both will last equally long. but if u gonna use it for gaming purpose, both has their own flaw. plasma has burn mark. lcd has slow response time

and CRT is the best

IMO, Lcd works best for games, plasma has burn marks.
LCD has better color contrast too.

just just a 8th gen Pioneer 1080p plasma. oh its not out yet. introduced in Jan 2007.

LCD is best up to 40 inch, beyond that plasma is king.

Burn-ins are issues of the pass.
Most LCDs are coming in the 6ms and 8ms response time, ghosting not a problem anymore.

new sharp full HD model for 46 incher and above, oinly 4ms respoinse time

FULL HD = marketing hype by CEs that couldnt compete with others in term of pricing. This is the only fact that you need to know. Its like 7.1 audio channel or 3.2gh Pentium processor. 'nobody' needs thoses specs.

general TV size that people purchase = 32in n 37in. Full HD is "absolutely worthless" on these sizes. Why pay more? If you want a <45in with watching distance of 8ft then get a FullHD. How many living rooms out of the millions of household in malaysia can fit a 42in TV?

wats an 8 feet viewing area, suppose to go for?
32? 37? 40?

I never knew our living room is that small that u can't even fit a 42" TV. Just bcoz u think it's worthless to u, doesn't mean it applies to everyone else.

This post has been edited by redbull_y2k: Apr 11 2007, 05:57 PM

sorry .. viewing distance !!

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Added on April 11, 2007, 5:41 pmaiyo 0 you know what i mean. 1000sqf apartment living room chun chun ken fit a 42 in 10ft viewing distance. smaller than that susah wor. 37in or 32in ngam ngam. i bet you have a big living room

This post has been edited by g5sim: Apr 11 2007, 05:41 PM

What the? I thought normally viewing distance should be around 7ft. Anyways, 37-42" should fit ngam ngam, 32" is actually abit small for a living room IMHO. For 26-32" if u put in your own room ok la.

opps, viewing distance, wat size suitable for 8 feet viewing distance?

37-42in can fit 7ft viewing i will have an empty room dinding to dinding 7ft. window to door 12ft. can fit lah lidat . hehe living room is 10ft viewing distance - so maximum for me = 42in

anyhow . SenQ show room at low yat , the viewing distance all soo freaking close - its like for 1-3 person ...

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Added on April 12, 2007, 12:25 am8ft-10ft 42in ken kua


This post has been edited by g5sim: Apr 12 2007, 12:25 AM

so big ar? sigh... and i tot 37 would be enuff...

Big screen is never enuff.

im more easily content, just tat i would like to know wats the size suitable nia... @ least i know 32 incher would be a no no

If you're currently using a 29" CRT tv, then a widescreen 37" LCDTV would be around the same height (slightly higher actually), but wider of coz.

yes, higher

i did some comparisons, tat is why i wun go for 32 if possible, cos the height is in fact lower than the 29 CRT

cos most of the time, still will see shows on 4:3, only watching dvds only 16:9

but 40 really jialat, so big, or is it merely a bit more than 37?
i think 37 phasedout soon, later only 32 and 40 incher nia

Laser TV will pwned both plasma and LCD...
which has a clearer, sharper images and cheaper to produce too...
Lets hope it will be in mass production soon

i think for laser tv, still have a long time to wait for it to becum reasonable hor

Here's a link to help u estimate the size an aspect ratio difference among different size of TV/LCDs.

TV Calculator

wa seh, tis is good!!!!!!!!!! []

waaa...even tv has its own calculator...

There's even a rims and tyre size calculator...

Hehehe...got a girlfriend calculator also?

ermmmmmmmmmmmmmm

This post has been edited by burgerkill: Feb 17 2009, 10:09 AM

Yippieeee

plasma is superior to LCD in every aspect regarding picture quality. The only concerns with plasma is:

1) burn-in if you left it on static for VERY long (a few days)
2) Image retention - happens all the time but is fades off quickly
3) power consumption...150-200% more than lcd

other than that, lcd can kiss my ass...click on the link in my sig to see why.

Every people hv their own opinion..... but for me, i've seen it all. Here i want to share my side of the story:
Went to an electrical shop cos i want to see which display is the best, then stumble to the Pioneer display (from what i heard, Pioneer PDP is the bestest in the world ), sit there to watch some demo movies using Pioneer DVD upscaller player. Then come the seller promoting to me with his sweet talk....bla bla bla. But then, i realise that there's some shadowy lines on the left of the display (even i'm not a HT pro can see it), but the seller denies it, then i want to leave, somehow the manager came and he admit thats a faulty display, then OK la.
But at another day went to another shop just to see the same display, guess what.... the Pioneer PDP have the same sh@#$y problems. I dont know WTF is happening here.....so to my conclusion Plasma is a SUXXOR.
Added: BTW, 1080p plasmas still nowhere to be found. That Hitachi PDP resolution at 1024x1080 what kind of resolution is that? Are they trying to cheat the n00bs.
I know now the Plasma fanboy are trying at least to flame me, but this just my 2 sen.

FIN.

This post has been edited by neoardi: Apr 25 2007, 12:18 PM

TV also got fanboys....haix.....

hahahhaha but these are moderate ones, @ least their points and evidence sounds logical to back them up

Hehehe, welcome to the REAL world. Guess what, even kitchen knife has it fanboys/fangirls u know.

This post has been edited by neoardi: Apr 25 2007, 08:08 PM

OMG, wondering how they bash each other

Kitchen knife Fanboy A:My knife is sharper
Kitchen knife Fanboy B: NONO,yours knife with ugly design,mine one are more
cool looking and sharper then yours tons tons tons tons and
tons.
Sorry for off topic

This post has been edited by JayYeong39: Apr 25 2007, 08:21 PM

I think LCD technology is only good to use as PC monitor. To use as a tv, Plasma is the best choice , then again...LCD is good for gaming because the ability to handle static image better than plasma.

Most if not all Plasma TVs have the strobing effect like a sub-70Hz refresh rate CRT TVs (If your eyes/visual processing of your brain are fast enough)... While most LCDs light is based on the cold cathod refresh rate... which is at a very high rate .... faster than any human can perceive... That said some older sharp lcd panels do use a low refresh rate cold cathod that has the strobing effect.

This strobing effect is not obvious to everyone.. as some people can stand a 60Hz refresh tv/crt.

This post has been edited by BeastX: Apr 26 2007, 05:53 PM

IMO CRT FTW!

I will say respond time should be the main concern if you wanna use your plasma or LCD for gaming.

Reason is simple, fastest respond time give you clearer picture when your pictures are fast moving object. And most of the game involve fast moving object.

response time for plasma?!

actually, Large LCD panels esp those >40" consume more power than large Plasma cos all the backlights has to be turned on (constant power consumption) while plasma, you only charge what you need. (variable) so LCD peak power might be lower than plasma peak power ratings but plasma's average power is usually lower than LCD's peak power (which is also nearly average power)

as for true 1080p plasma, err..never heard of the award winning Pioneer Elite Pro FHD1 at 1920x1080 rez ?

and for the CRT strobing effect? er? how is plasma like the CRT (which uses electron gun to draw the dots line by line)??
while plasma dishes out the entire image at 50/60 or 72Hz depending on your input signal..

Plasma still needs to charge at 50/60 or 72 (or others with some blanking time i suspect or the screen will suffer burn-in) times to produce a constantly lighted image just like crt phosphors needs to be charged by the electron gun.... If your brain/eyes can register/train to register frequency below 75Hz (like me) you will see strobing effect on plasma screens ... to me all plasmas screens I have observed do have strobing effect (minor on newer panels).

mean while lcd usually does not suffer strobing effect as the cold cathod backlight usually used very high frequency... above and beyond 100Hz..and pixel twisting has also evoled to be faster than 8ms (120Hz).. So at least to me LCD registers as a constant image without strobing and may suffer shadow effect for fast moving objects (on slower panels)....

This post has been edited by BeastX: May 1 2007, 12:26 AM

depends on your source material as well... if film based 24Hz or multiple of 24Hz, you are bound by some frame rate refresh (apart from panel charge and discharge cycle, which newer models have greatly improved by preboosting the voltage to speed up the response)

also the refresh times on LCD you quotes like 8ms are not actually panel refresh but actually GTG speed (grey to grey)...so actual refresh is still visible.. there are actually demo videos/dvds that are made just to highlight this response time when viewing movies, and they do show even if GTG response time of 2ms, some of the side effects of these LCD response times are still very visible..

and funny that LCD constant white sheen (due to backlight spill over ) on the panel doesn't bother you? or at least it does to me.. anyway, I guess both has it's advantages and disadvantages... esp on the price front.. LCD seems to give a better bang for buck on the size/rez ratio

I hate LCD. Today develop another 1 dead pixel with total of 3. If there 50" CRT HDTV I take it over LCD anyday.

What brand is it? How old is it?

Samsung LA32", about 2 months. And Samsung warranty says atleast 7. Thats stupid, since even 1 dead pixel is annoying enuff.

What u meant, Samsung stated that u will able to entitle a warranty if theres more than 7 dead pixels? Wow, thats really sucks.

LA32? R or S?

LA32R7.......

what is the difference between R and S? sorry, noob here, but i am learning

Sorry guys, but since we're on the topic of dead pixels:

IINM there are 1049088 pixels in a 1366x768 display, no?
If there are 3 dead pixels, that means it's a 0.000285 percent of the actual screen real estate. Is this a universally accepted ratio? Do manufacturers include a guarantee of how many you should have before you can replace the unit under warranty?

I'm only asking because unlike a PSP or DS display, LCD TV screens have many more pixels and so I'm just wondering how noticeable are the dead ones. I understand that LCD TVs are still expensive, so of course we'll all get upset.

Contrast ratio n viewing angle are the 'significant' difference

did some research, apparently the main difference between R and S series is the digital tuner which is built into R series but not the S series. The viewing angles are the same for both models (178 degrees vertical and horizontal) and the contrast ratio is higher for R series, but insignificant to naked eyes. PQ for both models are similar though. Correct me if I am wrong, all sifu

As for the digital tuners, none of the TVs available here comes with it. Maybe you're comparing the asian with the us/uk/jp version.

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Need some help here guys!

With all the choices in the market right now, searching for a TV can be a real pain. Using your greatest tool, the eyes, will not yield accurate results as none of the displays I've seen so far are displaying the same source. It's either Astro or some weird promotional videos. Budget? Hopefully below 9K. Need to get a good set of speakers too.

For this budget, the most I will get is 720p, but I guess that's sufficient for the size I'm getting.

Here's what I've drilled down to. What do you guys recommend?
1. Sony V Series (A bit old, 1 hdmi input, pretty)
2. Samsung R8 (3 hdmi! Good review from CNET Asia)
3. Samsung N7 (What's the major diff between this and R8? I though R8's the lower spec version? The price is similar though)
4. Sharp PX5.

Any other recommendations besides the one on the list?

This post has been edited by verced: May 3 2007, 07:53 PM

Well, I would recommend the Philips (which is almost impossible to find reviews for), but then again that's cause I use my eyes as the ultimate tool LOL.

At the end of the day that's always the best gauge of a TV's performance. Personally I find the Sharp BX series colours a little on the garish side, and I just don't like the way my 360 shows on a Samsung (however there is a nifty backlight control thingy on the Samsung that's good).

So we can go on and on but at the end of the day you're gonna live with it bro, so I suggest go and test em all out.

Samsung F7....... LA46F71B, 46inchers, native 1080p, 2 hdmi inputs at RM9k in northern borneo

This post has been edited by BeastX: May 4 2007, 04:37 PM

Sure or not? Maybe a display set? Or staff price? Last time (a month ago ) i ask the price is somewhere 14k++.
But from some review I read, the plus pont for this Sammy F7 is the price but the picture quality is never near the Bravia X and the Aquos G7.

SRP for that model is still going for 15999 here.

For 9K, you can only get 720p panel here. I really wish I can get that kinda price here man.

Hi all experts,

If my purpose of purchasing a LCD TV mainly for Astro and DVD viewing, is the below a good option? As from what i've gone thru in the forum, Astro looks really bad on LCD. Your opinion will help me alot in making a good decision.

Thanks guys.

KF-50E200A
50 inch 3LCD Projection TV
RM5,999.00

Spec as below:
HD Ready
Powered by Bravia Engine
Cinema Black Pro
HD Ready
Powered by Bravia Engine
Cinema Black Pro
HDMI Connection
PC Input
SRS TruSurround XT Sound system
Supplied Accessories
Remote Commander





Attached image(s)

lol, saw this model in jusco, what can i say? even for a noob like me, the PQ is reli bad ... and is this reli LCD TV? looks more like Projection TV to me

This post has been edited by cyew86: May 5 2007, 02:02 PM

Yeah. Thought it looks not bad for the price. This is the only thing that stopping me from getting LCD when i saw it in Jusco.

As my main use is for Astro and DVD viewing, i guess it is a good option since Astro with LCD sucks.

Hope more expects can provide some opinion on this "3LCD Projection TV"

u shud go survey in other shops ... jusco sells this samsung s7 40" for rm6299, i got mine from senq for rm4999

wait till change the bulb -> cost another arm & leg

Might as well as getting 32" LCD ..... points to note..astro wont look good in any HD capable LCD/TV/monitor...... try getting the one with s-video input..but not a projection tv lah....u will regret it......

okla, thanks alot guys, since i'm a total noob in this thing, i will trust experts opinion, LCD it is then.

i will go and have a price check on a few shops again tomorrow.

i assume i need to buy a HDMI DVD also right? since normal dvd player wont give me HD effect.

btw, how much is the S Video cable and HDMI cable?

frm what i understand tru reading this thread, S Video cable is for Astro, HDMI cable is to connect to HDMI DVD. Plz correct me if i'm wrong.

You can buy a DVD which has HDMI output but you won't get HD. Basically because its only DVD, which is 480p. Unless you buy an up-converting DVD player of course or say play your movies on a PS3 or an Xbox 360.

S-Video cables costs around RM15-30. Try to find the cheapest one. As for HDMI cable, I've seen as low as RM75 but many are selling around RM90-120. Not too sure though.

You won't get true HD via upconversion. However, after extensive testing of the action scene from The Incredibles, all I have to say is the movie surely looks damn good on LCDs. Tested a few LCDs, Samsung R8, Sharps PX5 and Silencer's TV.

The Incredibles? You should never use an animation to test the quality of upconversion.

Try testing again using an fast-paced action movie. I guarantee you'll see the difference.

Incredibles action sequence is not good enough for that? Everything's moving on the screen pretty fast to me.

Hmm..... what's a good fast paced action movie ? Damn, now that you mentioned it, I don't have any fact paced action movie.

Saving Private Ryan OK? Matrix? Fight Club?

Aiks. Getting abit confused already. If i purchase the DVD player below, will it help compared to normal DVD player? Thanks.

DVD-HD860
HyperVision DVD Players

Samsung's Hi-Definition DVD Player converts standard DVD image quality to high-definition pictures and sound for an audio-visual experience unlike that you've experienced from an ordinary DVD Player

Features
(1080p / 1080i / 720p) Up Conversion delivers high picture quality. Samsung's HyperVision DVD Players up-convert the resolution of ordinary DVDs to 1080p / 1080i / 720p High-definition - which means you'll experience the video and audio quality you didn't think was possible from a DVD player

HDMI(tm) gives you best picture quality. HDMI (High Definition Multimedia Interface) transfers hi-definition video and audio from your HyperVision DVD Player to your TV, Home Theater or other digital AV components without loss of any digital signal. Simply connect your DVD player to your Home Theater System with a single HDMI cable for high quality pictures and sound

DVD / CD / VCD/ SVCD playback

DivX(MPEG4) Playback lets you enjoy DivX movie with wider and bigger TV screen. Samsung's HyperVision DVD Players deliver high-quality DivX movies. Insert DVDs & CDs that have DivX movies downloaded via computer and enjoy watching them on the large-scale TV

MP3, WMA and HD-JPEG Playback

EZ View / Instant Replay / Instant Skip

tis one upscaler lor... it will look better on LCD or plasma, but wen the real thing kicks in,hddvd or bluray, its still far away

i bought a sony one for my MIL, rm 599, not bad, upscaling thru HDMI only

Yeah, upscalling DVD .

Actually how big is the difference between an upscaller DVD and normal one? I want to make sure it's worth buying. Dont have much budget.

I also looking for an upconversion DVD players that can max to 1080p.

This post has been edited by neoardi: May 6 2007, 06:17 PM

from wat i know, current upscalers only until 1080i

shakiraa, if u r using LCD or plasma to play DVDs, get one, u won regret it

http://simon.oconnorlamb.com/sonyDVPNS76H_..._upscaling.html

omg - we seriously in need of a videophile thread

Erm, it is not quite correct. The current Denon DVD-1930 and DVD-2930 can upscale video signals up to 720p, 1080i and 1080p. The 2930 is using the REON-VX chip which is better than 1930's Faroudja chip.

well said...but i still luv my oppo digital DV-981...for 1080p upconvert purpose.

ic, thanks for pointing it out

so now also 1080p upscaler liao, whoa...

No prob, bro. Juz sharing of info.

tenkiu, btw, i saw an mp4 converter, its suppose to convert normal 480 to 720p and 1080p

is this possible? wen the resoution is only @ 480? is this consider upscaling as well? feel like buying it leh, 29 USD, convert DVDs to Mpeg4 AVC

So GC is now known as Gelombang Cekal now? Heh heh heh didn't know that

hey, i bought a LG time machine, which can do time shifting but does anybody knows that, should i use it all the time or just for particular special program only? i am not sure whether that will shorten the life span of the hdd..and can i do recording when the tv is in standby mode?
thanks in advance..

saw a no brand cody 32" lcd tv selling for rm1799 at jln pasar .. ok ka for just gaming?

Coby izit? wat no brand? its even sold in USA

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_etk_ce_a...dvd+player+coby


FEATURES:
32" Widescreen TFT LCD Color Display
Fast 8ms Pixel Response Time
ATSC and NTSC Tuner Receives HD and Regular TV Broadcasts
Accepts HDTV Signals up to 1080i
HDMI Digital Connection for Perfect Digital AV Signal Transmission
HDCP Compliance for HDCP Content Support
Optical, Digital and Analog AV Connections for use with Home Theater Systems
15-pin VGA Interface for use with Computer Systems
Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound
Full-Range Stereo Speakers (10W x 2)
Digital Comb Filter and Noise Reduction
V-Chip Parental Control
Electronic Program Guide Support
Multi-Language On-Screen Display
Wall-Mountable Design (VESA-200 Compliant)

SPECIFICATIONS:
Display Type: 32" Widescreen TFT LCD @ 1366 x 768, Contrast Ratio: 1600:1, Brightness: 500 cd/m2, Pixel Response: 8ms, Viewing Angle: 178°Horizontal, 178°Vertical
TV Tuner Type: ATSC (Digital TV), NTSC (Regular TV)
Video System: NTSC
DTV Input Formats: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i
AV Input: HDMI (HDCP-compliant), Component Video (2), S-Video, Composite Video (2), Coaxial Antenna (ATSC/NTSC), 15-pin D-Sub (PC), RCA Stereo Audio (2), 3.5mm Stereo Audio
AV Output: Optical Digital Audio, Stereo Speakers (10W x 2)
AV Features: Dolby Digital Decoder, Digital Noise Reduction, 3D Digital Comb Filter/2D Comb Filter, 8-bit Video Signal LVDS
Other Features: Aspect Modes: Panorama, Zoom1, Zoom2, 4:3, 14:9, 16:9, Multi-Language OSD, Sleep Timer, V-Chip Support, Closed-Caption Support, Digital EPG Support
Power: AC 100 - 240V

ACCESSORIES INCLUDED:
Full-Function Remote Control




http://www.cobyusa.com/_en/prod_cat.php?pr...t=2&psub_cat=16

This post has been edited by g5sim: May 19 2007, 12:50 PM

hi, i wanna buy a new LCD tv, so wat kinda features/functions are important for a LCD tv?

purpose= watch astro/dvd hm... think tats all.

This post has been edited by cristiano7mu: May 19 2007, 04:51 PM

er... for astro and dvd, u stick with normal CRT better

If budget is a constraint and it's just for gaming, it should be ok as long as they provide warranty for it.

get 32... 26 is a bit wastage of marnee....

Yup, 26" is only sligther cheaper than 32". What is your budget?

nice specs for that price (correct me if i'm wrong). i'm still searching for review. I also want to buy a widescreen tv for gaming purposes. but not budget. maybe this is the answer. most probably wait until end of year coz waiting for end of year sale. forza2 on widescreen...huhuhuhu. can't wait.

This post has been edited by izaman: May 29 2007, 11:43 AM