Sooo many thing have happend over the weekend *ahem*...

I just wanna give a my summarized 2 cents worth.

Pennywise, if I was around when you first posted, then I would be the one telling you to do research before posting questions because I find that MOST of your questions can easily be answered either in the 1st page or by doing a basic google search. Almost all your questions are things that we have come to answer over and over again. Anyway, you're lucky Hun is around to answer all your questions, although I find it that you are still confused about keeping a suggie. I mean no harm by telling you all this, just something from a suggie lover to another. The rest are just summarized pointers for you.

1. Naturally, suggies live in a colony, yes, there'll be male and females but all they need is companion regardless of male+female, female+female or male+male. Keeping 2 will already take most of your time, let alone 3. Stick to 2 max.

2. I have a friend working in Shell too. The rules are strict, so better not risk bringing your suggies to the office.

3. If you want to get a big cage immediately, then the RM450 - black color that you saw at Pet Safari is one of the best (not the yellow roof), even I am considering to get that one. A cage can never be too big for a suggie, even a for joey (provided a healthy one).

4. You really-really need a LOT of time if you keep suggies and judging from the time and such that you have explained, honestly, I'm afraid it would not be sufficient for you to keep them. As Hun has been saying too, it is really like keeping a baby and most of your time will go to caring for their needs from feeding, bonding, playing, cleaning the cage (and I mean including every single thing inside) as well as cleaning the area surrounding their cage (because they can be messy eaters).

5. You have to be prepared that your suggies will be different from other peoples' suggies and if they do not turn out to be as good as others, will you still love them and accept them as they are?

6. Perhaps you wanna know how it feels like to be a suggie parent, if you're staying near enough, I'd let you babysit mine and see how it feels like

Peace

Hun, CFP and the rest, yeah, when I went to Pet Safari on Saturday, I saw the joey that they're selling, really damn small, I think it just OOP, can barely eat on its own So kesian Summore this girl (I assume she wants to buy it) was trying to feed it with baby food using a shringe, the joey was struggling like don't wan to eat, smeared some of the baby food on it's face Eii, I was so close to telling them off, but then "who am i" to do so... I didn't bring Iggy & Luna with me, if I had, perhaps it'll give me more courage Furthermore, besides the big cages that they have, they also seem to have a lot of smaller cages too which makes me so afraid that people who have no idea how to keep suggies will opt to buy the smaller and cheaper cages... Yeah, they do keep some of the suggies in the smaller cage Since I cannot tahan, I just walked out after buying my stuff

CFP, Aiko still so small ker? And how do you mean by Chika bullying her? Cuz Iggy and Luna, when they play with each other, look like fighting also, but they're just playing Ohh, and the clicking sound tu, is when one suggie is calling to another only, that's why Hun never heard it from Kiah

Snow, I couldn't get Sugre's suggies pix cuz my camera rosak again Will have to ask from Sugre herself

Hun, Sunday appointment = ON


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This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Jun 11 2007, 11:00 AM

You can actually look around to find about suggies age right? This is what I meant by basic questions. Honestly, you could look it up somewhere.

http://www.sugar-gliders.com/babies.htm (About joeys. The right age to get one is about 5-6 weeks OOP. The ones at PS is just OOP.)

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I thought you went to PS already, haven't you seen the Flexarium? If you're worried they would chew out the mesh, then don't get the Flexarium. We cannot guarantee what kind of suggie yoou will get, if it's not a chewer, then fine, if it is a chewer, then it'll chew its way out.

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About the cage, then fine if you can't fit the black one in your hse. It just would be better. However, the yellow roof is also fine.

Every single suggie is different from one another, that's why they're special So you'll just have to bear with the one you get... I'll PM you a story I know about this later...

If you're willing to pick my suggies, I don't mind letting you have a preview lesson. I'm staying really far from you tho.


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CFP, sorry, I laughed imagining Aiko screaming and running, like "arghhhhhhhhhhhh, help me!" Hahaha

Okay, screaming like how lar? Like high pitch squeaking ke?


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Hmmm That's a bit tricky, dunno what it means, but high pitch Luna squeaking is, "back off lah"... Haha...

More variety of fruits. Feed once at night before you sleep, next morning throw away any remaining and put another fresh meal. I'm not so sure about too much boiled egg tho, have to check with Hun.

Can Wasabi take mealworm already? If can give to him about 5 each day or double but alternate days.


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40% off Exo Terra stuff??? How come I didn't noticed Was probably too busy pitying the joey

This a good chance to upgrade my Flexarium Hehe...

Yup, add more variety of fruits, almost all fruits can be given except grapes, avocado and corn, the rest are fine

Owhh, forgot to mention to all that veggies are a must too, altho some suggies will be picky and not like it, but it's good for them The other night I chopped up some carrots, sweetpea and tomatoes, almost finely chopped then mix them up and gave to Iggy and Luna, they almost finished it the next morning

Phewww, Iggy and Luna really stinks now


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Terrarium is the plastic/glass enclosure for reptiles.

Flexarium is the black mesh enclosure.

Yeah, you can use it as a permanent set up but it still doesn't guarantee that your suggie will not chew on it even if you keep them since joey.

But Exo Terra does claim that the Flexarium mesh is a heavy duty one.

I use the Flexarium as a temporary set up when I travel only.

Ohh, one disadvantage tho, you cannot place beddings or other absorbent type litter underneath the Flexarium because it does not have a tray.


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Yes, there is Flextray and PS does sell those too but my concern is that there is no barrier or cover between the bedding and the suggies. Plus if you look closely on how to use the Flextray, it's actually very "leceh"/"ma-fan" because it is placed inside the enclosure but outside the frame, and everytime you want to clean it, you have to take off the whole mesh to remove the Flextray.


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This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Jun 12 2007, 02:57 PM

If you're getting the one at PS, sign up for the Toby Reptile card first, it's free and you'll immediately get 10% off the price So that's less RM45 for you.

There are other places that sells cages, but last time when I surveyed, the ones at PS are cheaper and bigger, even Pets Wonderland also don't have.

You can add the natural jam (no sugar or preservatives added) to the mix if you're doing it, but feeding it directly is not advisable.


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Added on June 12, 2007, 3:31 pmJam has been explained.

Yogurt, can, I give mine one teaspoon twice a week, they love it Go for low fat

Fruit juice, can, also must be 100% natural, no sugar or preservatives added. but too much of fruit juice can cause them to pee a lot.

Oats, no-no, they're for the mealworms, not suggies, however it can be use for the mix if not mistaken, but I leave that to Hun


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This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Jun 12 2007, 03:31 PM

Hun studies there, but now term break.

You wanna meet whose suggies?


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Aye too!



I'm always up for a gathering, love catching up with other suggies

Hun, that means Kiah can accept other gliders already, the clicking sound is chatting, so she was trying to chat with Chika Did she do the rub-a-dub-dub her body onto Chika's pouch? Hahaha.

Snow, other protein alternatives mebbe can get Hun's mix with chicken one But don't get discouraged, you can still try and give her mealies from time to time, mebbe she's still not ready yet

CFP, where got you kacau Iggy And yeah, that time Iggy was still not fully bonded like now, he even crabbed at that Shawn kid remember when he tried to touch his feet Now he is better like when we met last weekend lah Luna also is making good progress it seems She's less jumpy, only when really2 terkejut and she now comes and greets me every morning like Iggy does (wanting the treat lah as usual ) But one thing lah, the smell is also growing, phewww...


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Added on June 13, 2007, 1:07 pmGreat!

Actually, when you first got him, you should already intro him to your smell and if you have a bonding pouch, you can start carrying him around to familiarize with your smell and body movements

The sooner, the better


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This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Jun 13 2007, 01:07 PM

As for the whereabouts, you can check the pet shop list in the sticky.

4. Slurp and mix is the same thing, there are even various version floating around the net, the secret is to try yourself and Hun's recipe is a secret too All I know my suggies love 'em

6. Seeds... Hmm, to make it simple, if you can eat the seed, then it should be okay with them like kiwi seed, dragonfruit seed. But if you can't eat them, like apple seed, pear seed and so on, then remove it

7. I am a working adult too. I need my sleep cuz I have to wake up early, but I make sure I feed them around 11.30 pm the earliest or 1 am the latest. Normally I wait until they wake up, then feed them, then only I go to sleep. But at times if I'm really tired and sleepy, I'll set my alarm around 12 am just to wake up and feed them. The next one is in the morning before I go to work and before they go back to sleep around 6.30 am to 7.30 am. Weekends latest 8.30 am Once you start feeding them at certain times, you HAVE to keep the schedule because they are creatures of routine too, they'll know their schedule. Biggest example is that I give my suggies a treat, first thing every morning before I give them their morning meal, so they will be waiting for me hands and feeds on the bars every single morning

8. Carrying them in their pouch while they're sleeping is the best thing ever When they're new, they might be easily woken up or disturbed, so you have to be careful of too loud sound, bumping them and such. But when they are used to it, then no problem Mine follows me to works every alternate days and I work till late sometimes, shopping during weekends, even to movies

9. Lights? No, you don't need any lights for them but it is great if you can keep the lights around you house low or warm ones, or you simply don't switch on the lights near them, probably just the nearest toilet or room light is okay.

Huhh, a bit confused lah

Yeah, you can But if he crabs continuously, mebbe you should leave him for a while, he's still scared and not familiar with, but if crabs a bit, then quiet, then just keep it on What I used to do when Iggy crab last time is hushhh him slowly, talk to him and tell him that you mean no harm, then slowly massage from outside of the pouch. Massaging from outside of the pouch is also good because they'll get use to your touch The first thing I do when I get back from work (if they're left at home) is to massage them or squeeze2 them

Ohh, once they love mealworms they can finish a whole container. You must limit the intake


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This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Jun 13 2007, 07:20 PM

Hun, if not mistaken, there's actually more than a pair of gliders at PS. They keep 2 small cages inside the big glass store room at the toby reptile area. You might see empty small cages only, but they're inside the coconut cuz they came out to eat when I was there.

The black RM450 cage is really2 tempting, my husband said can put me inside, even two people can fit But did you notice one more cage, white color, small bar gaps too, RM290? That one wide also but slightly small, I was thinking of that one too

I've tought of getting a tall cat cage and cover with the PVC mesh too, but the cost of the PVC mesh to cover the entire cage is quite costly lah, better buy the proper one straight, plus if you need to dismantle later on will be such a hassle...

Haihh, cage, cage, cage...

Pennywise, not many of us do tent bonding here, mostly opt for doing it in small glider proof rooms. It works as well I use my small guest room which has few basic furniture only plus my small office room. But if you'd like to do tent bonding, the better... No in car bonding ahh, there's a case where the glider went into the air-cond and got her tail caught and putus, betul kan Hun??

Gathering mid July is fine, I'm not around early August.

Just now took both Iggy and Luna out in my room (in the office), put both on the memoboard cuz I need to train Luna to come to me like Iggy does. Both of them run about on the board and then Iggy made the move and jump back to me, but Luna didn't follow She keeps on running on the board... I put my arm near also, she came and sniff2 only... Then I stretch my arm to the board where Iggy crossed over and went to Luna, he groom2 her a bit then jumped back to me, looked back at Luna on the board like waiting for her, but she didn't follow... Then he jumped back to the board, Luna went hiding under a memo, then Iggy barked calling her, she came out, then Iggy jumped back at me and waiting for Luna again, still she didn't follow... Instead of me teaching Luna, it seems that Iggy was helping me out too

The whole process lasted almost half an hour and it was not successful cuz Luna still doesn't know how to come to me, but she let me pick her with less struggle tho... I don't recall seeing her jump ever, always needs to be picked up and run around low only, sighhh... Will keep on trying again...

On the other hand, after that, Iggy went on a jumping frenzy, he jumped from me, to my friend, then back to me, then to another friend, then to another friend, then back at me I think he got carried away trying to teach Luna (all the while Luna was still on the board).


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This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Jun 14 2007, 10:44 AM

Lor, why lar?? I thot you said you wanna do research on suggies then get one

On the other hand you got a hedgehog, which I would love to have but can't


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Ahh see, nevermind, settle down first, take your time, eventually when you're able to get one, it'll definitely be worth while

I am allowed to keep only one (type) pet cuz my husband knows that he if doesn't restrict me, our house will turn into a zoo And the fact that I'm staying in an apartment too.

Keeping a pair of suggie has kept me really2 busy, juggling between work, overtimes, house work - laundry, cooking, cleaning, taking care of my suggies and taking pouch orders... So I don't want to take other pets and later end up neglecting them


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Oh yeah. But I don't want to discourage other people, mine is special case, that's why they keep me really busy


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For the pouches, safest I'd say early July, right now I'm trying to finish the current orders asap.

The RM290 cage is in the same area, last I went, it was placed beside the glass store room. It's not as tall as the yellow roofed cage but it is wider a bit. I'd say it's a slightly smaller version of the black RM450, but white in color

If you feel that your room is not really glider proof, then tent bonding would do well We wouldn't want to risk losing our little fuzzbutts out in the back alley do we

Yeah, even tho we got our suggies one at a time, still difficult to bond and control them. Luna still not fully bonded with me, but she's more mild now. I'm happy Iggy is helping me with Luna


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Haha, I went nuts for a whole month before getting my first glider

If the cage has not been purchased, I'm sure you'll be able to find it

As for tents, yeah, Tesco, Giant or Carrefour will have The 2 men tent is appx. RM30-40 and the 4 men tent is around RM50-60. I think the 4 men tent is big enough for you Sometimes Carrefour will have an outdoor offer, so the tent will cost much lesser


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RM300+ also got, those are the high end and branded ones lah

Haha, I think it was me who went nuts lah

Yup, when you bring a joey home for the first time, let it be in the cage for a few days to familiarize with its new home Don't disturb it too much besides feeding it.

I won't really say "master" lah, because suggies are not like dogs, you gotta treat them like a companion. I think what you meant is to let it bond with you first then only introduce to other family members Suggies are capable of bonding with more then one person if you let them

Ohh, you know about the smelly t-shirt thing right? Before you pick up your suggie, wear a shirt (preferably and old one that you will no longer wear) to sleep and all for more than 3 days, then you can put the smelly shirt inside the cage or over the cage so that your joey will learn to know your smell. Better still if you can cut out the shirt into a small piece and put it in the sleeping pouch.


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Hawwoo

Haha, when everyone's suggie is bonded we don't seem to hear them crab at all aih Sometimes I forgot how it sounded like, but I'm happy they don't anymore cuz I know crabbing means no good

Wah, CFP, shopping Flexarium lagi? Haha, all for the sake of your babies Anyway, since they're having promo, might as well Until when ahh the sale? Ohh, if we can meet, I don't mind showing how to cut Chika's nail or even do it for you I even managed to cut Roscoe's nail when I was babysitting because he wants to climb onto me, but his nails is extremely sharp, cannot tahan lio...

Wahh, who jumped onto the waitress? Iggy now seems to okay/suka2 jump to people nearby, my colleagues tend to scream in surprise Hahaha...

Hun, can we make it on Saturday instead? I'll text you shortly about it


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If you have read, you'll know that suggies are marsupial, thus they are accustomed to pouches and they grew in their mommies' pouch. Bags, no-no cuz you'll have other stuff in it and it will probably harm the suggie, pouches and pockets are fine.

Even tho frens or housemates, you have to tell them off about suggies, they are not toys, not even normal pets, they're exotics.

I don't sing to Iggy anymore since he has Luna, without her, sing also tak jalan, still want Luna

You're welcome

Well, as Hun explained earlier, it could be from the way the breeders feed and take care of them that resulted in the different sizes and some worse cases are that the breeders will lie about their real age. Technically yeah, some breeders are to be blamed, but since we have very2 few home breeders, what to do.

Just keep on feeding Wasabi with good food and take good care of him, I'm sure he'll grow to be a big and handsome boy

Err, I think Hun has explained in the prev post, furthermore I'd also think it's the "baka" (breed). Good quality parents, must produce good and healthy babies right?

Anyway, yeah, Shadow and Jarrah are about Shurie's size when we met at PS that day, I was also surprised, but good also, easier to handle

Owh, Hun has bathed Iggy and Luna, now both are smelling good but wonder how long it will last cuz I still see poos inside the pouch (which is Luna's poo, cuz her poos are smaller than Iggy )

Now I know how to bathe, mebbe if the need arises, I can do myself, but hopefully it doesn't lah

Ohh, Hun, Iggy says sorry that he bit you, he said he doesn't like water very much

Thanks again Hun!


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