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TSmyremi
post Apr 17 2007, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(Gladys @ Apr 17 2007, 01:30 PM)
shocking.gif  no la >"<  i had enuf to be a full time gamer..

just want to change job.. i just simply dun like my current company.. cina factory style :sigh:  1hr+ to travel through many lori place(my car windscreen broke coz of the stone sad.gif )  n + tol no much saving each month. doh.gif


Should start a "Help-Gladys-Fix-Her-Windscreen" fund. happy.gif Maybe get as famous as Emily.
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Added on April 17, 2007, 1:31 pmso wat excatly u 2 doing ????  btw no lunch yet?
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Doing something that isn't boring? happy.gif

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post Apr 17 2007, 04:04 PM

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:shock2:
i got insurance just havn go fix it doh.gif (maybe i can call up flyfm fix it program lol.. listen that every morning along my way to work T_T )..

i do not wish to get famous like emily.. dry.gif
i want...... refer to Fortune OCT23,2006 "On Top of the WORLD- the 50 Most Powewrful Women...." laugh.gif



so wat is the 'thing' that wont make u boring? brows.gif
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post Apr 17 2007, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(Emperor Tau @ Apr 17 2007, 02:40 PM)
so... meeting place, date and time settle for the kopip session?
i wish i have a life....
wake up
work
yak yak
dozing
reach home, dinner
wow, eve-online, RA2:YR, NOX, watch anime
sleep

and repeat process day after day.
I am a BE priest that cant heal, sadly T-T, my targets tend to die on me which makes me feeling rather stressful when playing WoW, lucky i am no doctor.... if patient dies on me and party/raid member also die on me, i sure jump off the building. lol
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Still a month away so I'm not pushing for confirmed fixes yet. Anything can happen between now and then.

19-20 May. Location is somewhere in 1-Utama. Be prepared to pick up your own bills.

I spec Shadow when heading to outlands on my priest. She's not in raiding gear but still main healing instances. Although still only lvl 65 and still not gone through Coilfang. ><
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QUOTE(Gladys @ Apr 17 2007, 04:04 PM)
:shock2:
i got insurance just havn go fix it doh.gif (maybe i can call up flyfm fix it program lol.. listen that every morning along my way to work T_T )..

i do not wish to get famous like emily.. dry.gif
i want...... refer to Fortune OCT23,2006  "On Top of the WORLD- the 50 Most Powewrful Women...."  laugh.gif
so wat is the 'thing' that wont make u boring? brows.gif
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wah.... the 50 most powderful err, i mean powerful women ...
u wont be famous as emily just that you will end up even more famous( pray it wont be infamous ) than her only.

myremi:
lvl 55 only, tonite will strike 56.
ahh, pick up own bill, no prob.
ya hor... PotC3 is coming out during May....
muzt watch

seen any high end equip that give shadow or spell damage bonus with spirit stats?
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post Apr 17 2007, 04:47 PM

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i thought spi is more useful for healers?
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post Apr 17 2007, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Emperor Tau @ Apr 17 2007, 04:24 PM)
myremi:
lvl 55 only, tonite will strike 56.
ahh, pick up own bill, no prob.
ya hor... PotC3 is coming out during May....
muzt watch

seen any high end equip that give shadow or spell damage bonus with spirit stats?
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My main is lvl 70 so whatever greens that dropped from outlands that will benefit here, she gets it. Even some world drops are being sent to her for potential use once she hits 70.

If I remembered correctly, there's not lot of quest pieces that has Spell damage in the lvl50-59 range unless u're willing to run instances for boss drops. More in Lvl60 instances.

Once you get into Outlands though, the gear from Hellfire quests will give you a whole new change in wardrobe. And I so geram that I couldn't get the Crystalfire Staff. But hit lvl65 quickly from all the Ramparts run that I went to Nagrand to get the Baton from Ring of Blood Quests.


Added on April 17, 2007, 4:53 pmSpi is only useful for Resto Druids in Tree Form for the additional healing. Other than that, better go for MP5, even for healers because of the 5secondrule.

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 17 2007, 04:52 PM)


Added on April 17, 2007, 4:53 pmSpi is only useful for Resto Druids in Tree Form for the additional healing. Other than that, better go for MP5, even for healers because of the 5secondrule.
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It's also good for holy priests. VERY useful in long boss fights. But I'm confused as to why he wants +shadow spell dmg AND spi...instead of +int which I "think" should be more relevant if you're aiming to do dmg and not so much on healing.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 17 2007, 04:52 PM)
My main is lvl 70 so whatever greens that dropped from outlands that will benefit here, she gets it. Even some world drops are being sent to her for potential use once she hits 70.

If I remembered correctly, there's not lot of quest pieces that has Spell damage in the lvl50-59 range unless u're willing to run instances for boss drops. More in Lvl60 instances.

Once you get into Outlands though, the gear from Hellfire quests will give you a whole new change in wardrobe. And I so geram that I couldn't get the Crystalfire Staff. But hit lvl65 quickly from all the Ramparts run that I went to Nagrand to get the Baton from Ring of Blood Quests.


Added on April 17, 2007, 4:53 pmSpi is only useful for Resto Druids in Tree Form for the additional healing. Other than that, better go for MP5, even for healers because of the 5secondrule.
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meditation is your friend
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QUOTE(seen @ Apr 17 2007, 05:03 PM)
It's also good for holy priests. VERY useful in long boss fights. But I'm confused as to why he wants +shadow spell dmg AND spi...instead of +int which I "think" should be more relevant if you're aiming to do dmg and not so much on healing.
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Spi : I have to dig out the post about the 5 second rule. The idea is that if a priest is out of the 5 second rule often, should go for spirit. If not, stack up the MP5 because the mana regen from Spi only comes 5 seconds after you've casted a spell. In fact, most priests for endgame stack up MP5. And yes, that's for Holy Priest as well I think. Have to check out the holy tree again for any talents that influence spirit.

+Shadow spell dmg for shadow priest reckon. I didn't specifically look for shadow spell dmg coz those gear are fairly rare to find and they are green items mostly. The easy to find ones that is. Most times, it's easier to just go for +spell damage and +spell crit (although careful with this one in case of pulling aggro).


Added on April 17, 2007, 5:25 pmYeah, Meditation does help. But she was asking on Spi so I answered in Spi. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 17 2007, 05:16 PM)
meditation is your friend
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as well as clearcasting n innervate.. worst come to worst ..potion.

spirit n mp5 apply only @ boss fight. int still > , more mana high crit. no scare with silent resolve anyways


Added on April 17, 2007, 5:35 pmspirit high chance to blackout the enemy .. rite?

+shadow damage got, require tailoring 375, crafted epic.. forgot name shadowcloth or spellcloth whch one eidi.. additional set bonus is either heal caster 2% based on their damage or dono wat.. go check thottbot. ;p

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 17 2007, 05:24 PM)
Spi : I have to dig out the post about the 5 second rule. The idea is that if a priest is out of the 5 second rule often, should go for spirit. If not, stack up the MP5 because the mana regen from Spi only comes 5 seconds after you've casted a spell. In fact, most priests for endgame stack up MP5. And yes, that's for Holy Priest as well I think. Have to check out the holy tree again for any talents that influence spirit.

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Aye we have spiritual guidance which increases the amount healed by x% of your spi. I was a hardcore raiding priest before I semi retired into the semi casual player that I am now.

And umm... I'm pretty sure that all casters know about the 5 second rule when they are lv60+ right? For me, it depends on what fight I get myself into. I use my full MP5 gears when I'm assigned to do dispel duty. When I'm in a longggggg boss fight I tend to focus more on spi. I don't really do the math but I do what I do based on experience and trial & error.

But ah...don't really miss playing my priest. I was kinda half "forced" into being the secondary healer class lead and ugh...didn't enjoy it at all.

Now I play my lock...pew pew pew pew pewwwwww!!! LURRRRRVEEEEEEEE ITTTTTTTT
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post Apr 17 2007, 06:23 PM

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i do not know how they calculate the damage but i was thinking of sacrificing 2% from misery and get 10% bonus damage from my spirit through improved divine spirit.

200 shadow damage plus 5% misery adds up to 210

200 shadow damage plus 3% misery adds up to 206 + 10% from spirit ( if spirit is 100, 10% is 10) = 216, 6 extra damage points.

Furthermore, all other caster class have their damage augmented by the improved divine spirit too( their damage and healing )

here is what i plan on.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ryM0zhxzbZZEMMzMtRhtc

i know shouldnt ask about priest stuff since got forum about them, but just curious since healer class might not get the prayer of spirit or something like that.

*Frantically trying to find a reason to stay in shadowform when i strike 70 or during raid. tongue.gif


Added on April 17, 2007, 6:25 pmso if i cant find any with +shadow/spell damage with spirit stat, oh well, gotta dump that idea

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Hmm.. but no vampiric touch? I've never actually tried vampiric touch since my priest left the shadow tree longggggggggggggggggggggg before 41 talent. But at least now I see why you are aiming for +dmg & spi. But not sure if it's worth it tho...

Funny thing is, after in my previous guild, NON of our 12 active priests wanna spec shadow. We were all healbots except one who chose to be the "trinket (PI) priest.
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cause u see, vampiric touch gives mana back everyone right....
i am dealing mindflay 216 at shadoweaving 5
it only gives me back 10-12 mana per damage dealt BY me

flay last 3 secs, 30-36 mana gain by eveyone, i lost? 100+- mana ( 144mana per flay i think )
every shadow damage i dealt only increase my mana depreciation. To make vampiric touch work i need a full party of 5 shadow priest with vampiric touch which i dun think we can find in a raid right? all wan heal heal heal so . . . i must think of a way to increase the healing power of other priest, druids and pally while increasing also the damage power of spell damage dealing classes.
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VT gives back low mana. Kinda regretted speccing for it but since I'm respeccing once I hit lvl70, i'm not taking it out.

There's actually a lot of shadow priest running around now. The DPS is fun. happy.gif

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=rZfhtccMqVzZeGMzMtR
Something I'm thinking about. I'm not sure about how good the build is for raids or instancing but there have been various circumstances that lightwell is starting to get interesting. And VE is just great as passive healing if the tanks aren't taking too great a damage. I saw a few priest with this hybrid a couple of times. Just not sure how the mana generation is like though, without the discipline talents.


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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 17 2007, 08:10 PM)
VT gives back low mana. Kinda regretted speccing for it but since I'm respeccing once I hit lvl70, i'm not taking it out.

There's actually a lot of shadow priest running around now. The DPS is fun. happy.gif

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=rZfhtccMqVzZeGMzMtR
Something I'm thinking about. I'm not sure about how good the build is for raids or instancing but there have been various circumstances that lightwell is starting to get interesting. And VE is just great as passive healing if the tanks aren't taking too great a damage. I saw a few priest with this hybrid a couple of times. Just not sure how the mana generation is like though, without the discipline talents.
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.... an average gear shadow priest will restore 6-10k mana to the party in a 7-8 min fight
VT is a must have for 25 mans , it might seem like low mana per tick , but it all adds up , trust me , your casters will love you so much more for it
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Qua : I did say thinking. tongue.gif

Heemee : blink.gif Nice numbers. I haven't reach Lvl70 yet so not sure how much more I can push VT numbers. So far, I'm able to mainheal in Coilfang - staying out of shadowform to do it though. Sometimes, OOM but not much.

Emperor Tau : Other than talents, there's also getting separate gearsets for DPS and Healing. I'm using a mod named ItemRack to switch out quickly. Others have used Outfitter. Hmmm...and looks like ItemRack got updated recently.

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YARR PVE DPS

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=rVMhkhxZZxGxzMxRhtVo

edit: messed up talent build first time round. This is on the basis since most of our damage comes from dots and instants MF, VT, SW:P - mana efficiency and regen and obligatory aggro reduction talents. I don't value crit at all as a shadow priest - who want's the mind blasts to crit anyway?


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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Apr 18 2007, 01:10 AM)
YARR PVE DPS

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=rVMhkhxZZxGxzMxRhtVo

edit: messed up talent build first time round.  This is on the basis since most of our damage comes from dots and instants MF, VT, SW:P - mana efficiency and regen and obligatory aggro reduction talents.  I don't value crit at all as a shadow priest - who want's the mind blasts to crit anyway?
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Hmmm...when leveling, I used to start the fight with Mind Blasts. But since getting VT to try out, I've been using that instead. With VT, by the time the mob is dead, I still have about 60-75% of my mana still up.

And I don't use Mind Blasts anymore unless it's for mobs with low health e.g. Imps, Green Eye. And I avoid it in instance runs coz it pulls too much aggro away from the tank and I have problems managing my aggro then. Although, sometimes, I do the mob pulling with SW:P or Silence and then Fade + Bubble for the tank to pick them up.

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