Thanks haha but it's just a volunteer role, by no means I'm someone special

Nobody should join unknown icos from startups

But do your research and you will know that VeChain ecosystem ain't your typical startup. They are a global operation doing real business. Have you watched the latest CNBC show featuring VeChain?

DB Schenker, BYD top execs endorsing VeChain and saying it will change the world and industry.

Well OCE is the central ecosystem that bridges VeChain's ecosystem to the business world. Do some research about it. OceanEx and VeChain is intertwined. If you think Vechain is good, then OceanEx is automatically good

I am not responsible for any financial losses. Blame me all they want, I wouldn't feel a thing. Why should I?

If people lose money because they invest solely by listening to a stranger online, then they have bigger problems to worry about

This post has been edited by FatalExe: Sep 24 2018, 06:38 PM

Of course I will feel disappointed, but I will be disappointed in myself, not because of others blaming me, but it's because I failed.

Do your own research, that's what I can say. Let me know when you have done in depth research on VeChain and OceanEx. Guarantee you will be a believer

The days of free magic internet money are gone

All that's left in the crypto world are real world adoption and usage

That's why people like me and Davez are all-in in VET. Simply because our research has led us to the best in the crypto world.

Just look at BTC.

The white paper says Peer to peer electronic cash.

Now BTC proponents are going "BTC is a store of value" when people criticize it's scalability and effectiveness. Endless dev team drama and fighting with BCH.

ETH, the pioneer of smart contracts. Constant consensus issues, plus no real direction for the technology. Constant obsession over tps speed and tech. No one bothers to actually market the tech to enterprises. Enterprise Ethereum Alliance only mandates it's partners to use and fork private ETH chain. Useless. The founder Vitalik spends more time on Twitter blasting EOS and TRX and saying ETH will go to 0. Who wants to use ETH and place business usage on such a wild chain?

OMG was hyped for being business oriented, but it's directly tied with ETH's success as they share dev team. Jun and company keeps on emphasizing tps speed when they have so few partners and users.

Then you have the big boys like XLM partnering with IBM. But IBM is only using XLM's tech in private blockchain in majority of its use cases. XLM tokens have no incentive to rise in value.

XRP almost have same issue. Token vs protocol.

What else? EOS? TRX? XVG?

Real business usage doesn't come magically. Fortune 500 companies don't knock on your door if you are a start-up. This is what crypto startups and developers don't understand.

VET has unprecedented list of partners, clients and investors. Jim Breyer. DNV GL. PwC. BMW, Renault, Louis Vuitton, Givency, Chanel, Shanghai Government. Bright foods. China Tobacco. PICC. Top 4 Italian wine manufacturers. BYD. DB Schenker. Kuehne and Nagel. So many clients using their solution. This is because they are business veterans, they approach companies and understand their problems, not going to them and talking about their own tech. Their token economics were supported and researched by City University of Hong Kong, Oxford University, Tsinghua University, Michigan State University. All of this made possible by the advisory of PwC, DNV GL, Nan Xiaoning, Jim Breyer, CREAM and other advisory firms.

The token economics directly will increase the value of VET and VTHO. And the central piece that connects enterprises and crypto world would be OceanEx. Enterprises won't sign up for a Binance or Bittrex account, they would trust VeChain own ecosystem. OceanEx is the brainchild of VeChain's head advisor.

Talking about investments, VeChain ecosystem is really undisputed in the crypto world.

Good news is that China is fully embracing public blockchain. It is inevitable that US will follow sooner or later.

The thing is, Bitcoin and Ethereum , at this stage is just not efficient enough for enterprise usage. Especially because of the gas fee.

That's where VeChain shines with its twin token model VET/VTHO.

No offense to the OG community but Bitcoin/Ethereum is not the future, not for real businesses because of the dilemma of token price vs gas fee.

That depends on whether you believe in speculation vs adoption . Which will outpace each other quicker?

If all goes well, XRP will be integrated to banks

It beats amateur usage of BTC transactions

Depends on how XRP goes

No banks or no businesses would really adopt BTC. It's just not efficient enough

Were you guys here during peak bull season? Transfers cost up to 30$ for BTC

Can you really look in the mirror and tell yourself that $30 minimum sat fee (takes hours to confirm) and is efficient?

Have you experienced the BTC settlement issue last year? Tens of pages here in LYN were crying due to the confirmation times

Do you understand how traditional Proof of Work blockchain and BTC works? Do you know BTC, as it stands, factually, cannot scale because of block size and other limitations?

Can't wait till banks realize how horrible using BTC is when they actually use the freaking network instead of riding the blockchain hype when they got no clue about its issues

Banks and enterprises will never open a LN node

Lightning network will not solve BTC's problems

Lightning network is not even BTC

It's a meme.

This post has been edited by FatalExe: Sep 27 2018, 01:58 PM

Davez89 did you manage to grab a lucky box for OceanEx ICO?

It sold out in less than 2mins lol

Yes, got my 800k box. 3.30am sales started after being delayed from 11.30pm

Stayed up until 4.30am to confirm it was successful

Have to do crisis management also since ICO was delayed and communication between team and the community was not fast enough

All admins like zombie today hahaha

This ICO so high potential, around 5million market cap only...

Did you get your Safe Haven x-node allocation?

200k not small

Who's the whale here? Hahaha

Agreed

Team is preparing medium article to clarify

Hopefully it comes soon

Stock market trade war affecting crypto. Sell offs everywhere

New VeChain ecosystem ICO starting tomorrow. Previous VeChain ecosystem ICOs (SHA and OCE), sold out in less than 3 mins combined.

https://medium.com/plairlife/public-sale-an...nt-88c909ac8eb4

This post has been edited by FatalExe: Oct 30 2018, 09:05 PM

Rip btc

XRP, XLM gaining sats and holding strong in this bloodbath . Only coins with real business utility will survive the great purge. Bring it on, please kill all the shit coins

Legendary investor Jim Breyer ( first investor of Facebook) reaffirms that crypto is the future and his VeChain investment

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/28/cnbc-interv...r-capital-.html

....

Tell that to Price Waterhouse Cooper's and DNV GL, the 2 biggest risk assurance company in the world who are shareholders of VeChain and part of the steering committee

Lol no

VeChain is backed by PwC, DNV GL, Breyer Capital, Draper Dragon.. steering committee composed of: PwC Greater China Head, DNV GL Digital Transformation CEO, City University Hong Kong Professor, and 3 VeChain reps

Already established business with BMW, BYD, LVMH, Bright Foods, China Tobacco, Family Mart, etc

VeResearch academic partners include: Tsinghua University, Oxford University, City University, Michigan State University

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/28/theres-only...er-vechain.html

CNBC, AlJazeera, South China Morning Post, CCTV, etc all covered VeChain before.

It will be an exciting time ahead

One of the best financial investment opportunity in recent decades

Sorry but there is so much misinformation in your post. VeChain has been operational for 3 years before their ICO. They have VCs and seed funds investing in their equity long before the ICO (it's not even to raise funds primarily, it's to circulate a decentralized token economy). You need to study up on the project before trying to FUD/spread misinformation/assumptions

VET's business model and tokenomics are all geared for price increase of VET tokens. VET isn't an ERC20 token, it has its own main net. You don't need to distribute dividends to token holders, this is not a stock, it's a crypto asset. If you give dividends then it will become a security, and it will get instantly banned in many countries

It's a two token system , VET and VTHO. VTHO is needed as transaction fee and generated by holding VET. I suggest you read the white paper. VET is not a useless token or for dividends.

And it's a mistake to equate cryptocurrency market cap calculation with stock market valuation.

Who said they offer services to partners for free? Where is your source? I don't think they are stupid enough to starve themselves since they have offices in so many countries? ...

They are a real company with real revenue streams while building token value. Read up on MPP protocol for their software revenue stream. They also manufacture custom IoT/RFID/NFC chips for refenue. Also they provide advisory service to governments and enterprises to implement blockchain technologies. They are not normal entrepreneurs, they are highly experience corporate people from PwC, LVMH, RFID industry veterans

And if you think VeChain is risky then why bother speculating in the crypto market. Many people forget VET, aside from the fundamentals, can still appreciate it's value through pure speculation. So for every day Tron and EOS is in the top 5 in market cap, VET will still be undervalued.

This post has been edited by FatalExe: Nov 30 2018, 10:51 AM

It's cool, sorry if what I wrote sounded a little aggressive

Holding a crypto asset doesn't net you profit dividends. In crypto world, all value is derived from speculation. There are no fundamentals in crypto. Token economics (Tokenomics) that derive value for tokens are a new industry, in fact VeChain is the first token to have proper token economics, led by research intiatives in Tsinghua and Oxford Math Faculty. You seem to misunderstand the purpose of both equity investing and crypto investing. You don't get value for your equity shares by speculation alone (more so if it's a private company).

No, VTHO is not interest. It is the cost of accessing the blockchain. Therefore, the more business and non-business usage on the blockchain, the more VTHO needed. How to get VTHO? You have to hold/buy VET. Or buy VTHO from open market. Thus, linking business fundamentals of VeChain in addition to speculation value of VET and VTHO. You have to understand, every other crypto does not have an ability to directly derive their value from business fundamentals. It does not matter if LTC is accepted by small merchants, it doesn't mean LTC will go up. Unlike VET which has in built token economics.

VeChain does not spend a lot of time promoting their token. In fact their marketing sucks. You don't see crypto universe writing their news even in big websites like CoinDesk. I don't know where you got the impression that they don't focus on their business. And promoting the token is to ensure more end users hold VET, creating a decentralized public blockchain. Again, VET sucks at marketing. We are not TRX or XVG that's absolutely trash

Let the result do the talking? Have you even done basic research about VET before assuming these incorrect perceptions.?

They have the most business clients in the entire crypto universe, there is literally no other coin that has this much real world adoption.

https://vechaininsider.com/partnerships/a-c...n-partnerships/

Bright Foods and DNV GL, alongside VeChain, Tsinghua University, PICC, Norwegian Seafood Alliance will be having an entire ecosystem worth of food products in China supermarkets traceable and trackable using VET blockchain. That alone can propel VET into one of the most valuable companies in the world. But crypto market isn't mature yet. It isn't ready for such potential, what more when most of crypto people are ignorant and unwilling to learn what VET is doing. When those products are on the shelves of Chinese supermarkets and the logistics recorded on the public blockchain, burning VTHO, that's when VET will really moon.

People don't seem to understand, if speculation alone can push DOGE and LTC to hundreds of millions crypto valuation, imagine how VET can perform with speculation PLUS business fundamental.

It will be scary when VET blockchain really starts to run in early 2019.

Davez89

This post has been edited by FatalExe: Nov 30 2018, 12:03 PM