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unknown warrior
post Nov 13 2017, 10:27 AM

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What is a Prayer of Faith?

Mark 11:24 (NIV) - Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.


Good Day Fellow Believers.

There are times when we pray, we seem to beg God, sometime with sadness or tears, with much desperation and the implication is that, it's as IF God has to be persuaded. Friends, that is not a prayer of Faith. We make God to seem as if He's folding his arms, looking at us, how much we can convince God.

A prayer of Faith comes when we understand revelation. The Bible says in Ephesians 1:3:.................... who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. The word blessing there in the greek is "eulogia" where the word eulogy comes from. Eulogia here means " adulation, praise, blessing, gift." It can be an invocation of blessings. Invocation means spoken words.

Before anyone say, it is just "spiritual" blessings to affect our holiness, character and conduct, let me be the first to say..to affect us is to affect us here in the physical realm. It is NOT affecting just in the spiritual realm somewhere. It touches where we are. God is a spirit being, when He spoke from His spirit being...in the beginning, it changes and affected the physical realm. When Christ demonstrated "spiritual blessings" on the ungodly, it affected the physical realm. When apostle Paul invoke spiritual prayers for healing, it affected the physical.

The blessings are not limited and neither stuck in the spiritual realm. So this notion that it is only affecting "spiritual" has very little merit when you look from the entire perspective of the Bible why, Christ came to set us free, to wash away our sins, gave us salvation, demonstrated his powers and then teaches us about prayers to advance his kingdom.

We need to repent of such notion. And of course there are teaching that tells you, Christ miracles are only meant for his credential and no more, if you are going to believe that, then make no blame, no critique neither any judgement when you cannot receive and see others receive.

Christ gave us very simple words to understand in Mark 11:24. If you cannot believe that, you will end up praying in trying to coax or persuade God when the implication there is the opposite. God does not have to be coaxed or persuaded. A prayer of Faith is one of thanks giving, believing God has already done it. That is a prayer of Faith.

I leave you with a scripture verse. Read Matthew 8:2-3 over and over again until it get into your spirit.

God Bless





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Thanks for your response, uw.

Today i was reading the verse of the day and

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
Galatians 6:7‭-‬8 NIV


I don't understand what is the mocking in context of the Galatians. Someone teaching them something else?
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post Nov 14 2017, 10:39 AM

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Who makes Jesus seem like God?

Luke 10:42 (NIV) - but few things are needed or indeed only one. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her."

Luke 10:38-42 is the well known passage on 2 sisters, Martha and Mary. It's also typically a scenario that depicts how some Christians unfortunately persecute other Christians for not loving or doing enough for God.

The Lord has given this passage for a revelation.... for us Christians to learn to humble ourselves and not judge others for this matter. It would seem that what Martha did was correct and right by tradition. In that day and age, the women are suppose to get ready all the preparations for invited guests. And it would seem what Mary did seems wrong and lazy for a woman and especially in the middle eastern culture to just sit there and do nothing. Mind you this was not a story book concept but it really happened and I feel Christians don't seem to take this narration serious enough to apply in reality and in practical.

No my friends, what Mary did, is something by which our Lord Jesus said, would NOT be taken away from her. Martha blame 2 person at 1 go by saying; "“Lord, don’t you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!”.

Doesn't that sound familiar in the Christian setting? One person depicts he/she needs to give to God, it resonate and sounded.. blaming others...of not loving God enough or not doing worthily enough. One person depicts he/she resting before his/her God, RECEIVING from the Lord and this position of grace is being persecuted by Christians who believe God is one who puts demand on others and they in turn put demands on other Christians.

Who makes Jesus seem like God, Martha or Mary?

Didn't Martha know the one she's trying to serve could multiple 2 loaves and 5 fives and feed more than 5000 people. What did Martha saw? Christ as someone who is tired, who needed her and I ask What does Christians who are like Martha feel he/she could give to the Lord?

Mary knew and saw through the veil of Christ hidden identity and sat to receive from the Lord. She depicts as Christians who knew they have nothing and needed the Lord more than she can give.

Again I ask; Who makes Jesus seem like God, Martha or Mary? One who felt God needed her or the one who saw the inexhaustible supply and needed God?

I leave this devotion for your spiritual digestion.

God Bless.







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post Nov 14 2017, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Nov 14 2017, 09:58 AM)
Thanks for your response, uw.

Today i was reading the verse of the day and

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
Galatians 6:7‭-‬8 NIV
I don't understand what is the mocking in context of the Galatians. Someone teaching them something else?
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The fault of the Galatians was that they wanted to go back to external observation of the Law, like observing certain special days and months and seasons and years. Observing rituals...aka religion as the ways of attaining/forfeiting Salvation, they were rebuke by apostle Paul (also citing there are no other gospel) and what Peter did was a similar problem (read Galatians 2). Peter was rebuked by Paul in the same sense of where the Galatians have missed it. It will be good for you to read, so that you understand where I'm coming from. Maybe take this as your devotion reading.

Mocking here means that One cannot ridicule God and God is not fooled even by contempt. If the person invest to the nature of the flesh such as: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like, the person will reap destruction. And the definition for destruction in the Greek is quite a mouthful; corruption, destruction, decay, rottenness, decomposition.

It goes without saying, as Christians we should seek the Life of God's Kingdom, which primarily is about loving others as we love ourselves as we love God. We would be mocking God to do otherwise; thinking everything is alright. This is the implied sense that we seek to please the flesh as the way of our living. And that is different as opposed to Christians who has the desire and wants to live right but may fail here and there. Big difference.

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God Defined Repentance

Hello dear Christians,

Everybody knows how we define repentance, that is to turn from doing wrong (sinning) and start doing right. And we quote matters like turning away from, idolatry, rage of anger, lust, etc.
But do you know how God define repentance?

God gave a very simple illustration in the parable of the lost sheep in Luke 15 and at the end of it, in verse 7 our Lord Jesus said;
"7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent."

So obviously this verse is talking about repentance but wait a minute. If you read from verse 1 to 6, you find nothing that is said on how the way "we" define repentance.
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3 Then Jesus told them this parable: 4 “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5 And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders 6 and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ 7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.


And yet the revelation of repentance is there? Would you like to know how Jesus sees repentance? If you have spiritual eyes to see this;

The lost sheep must consent to be:

1. Found
2. Carried by God

That's it. I don't see anywhere in this verse that talks about suffering, carrying our own cross, give up all we have, etc. And Yet this is repentance. If anything the one who does all the work here is God.

God is the one
1. Search the sheep
2. Carry the sheep
3. brings sheep home
4. Call his friends and neighbours to celebrate.

And the one who is Joyful is God.

No where do you see the focus of repentance is born on the sinner.

Dear people of God, if you still do not understand, the covenant that God cuts with his people, is a covenant of Grace and that is the Gospel. The new covenant repentance is about being connected to God as the true vine for Heaven's Life. In of yourself, there is no power to change. For far too long the devil has used the pulpit to twist the focus on ourselves, the focus message is always about us needing to repent instead of us focusing on God for the divine life. And sadly some denomination still hang on that notion. No wonder in some part of the body of Christ, some church is not growing in number and in spirit, only more finger pointing and judgmental persecution of other christians.

God Bless.








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Hi Unknown Warrior,

Is Saturday Sabbath day or Sunday?

I heard from a pastor that Christians no longer follow those law in old testament except ten commandments from God.

Since the fourth commandment is 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy', does that mean people cannot work on that day or else, it's a grave sin?
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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Nov 16 2017, 03:10 PM)
Hi Unknown Warrior,

Is Saturday Sabbath day or Sunday?

I heard from a pastor that Christians no longer follow those law in old testament except ten commandments from God.

Since the fourth commandment is 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy', does that mean people cannot work on that day or else, it's a grave sin?
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Hi Nico,

I need to start by asking;

Why should Christians follow what God calls the Old Testament law as a ministry of death? (2 Corinthians 3:7)

Have you not read Romans 14:5-10

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.


Verse 5-10 is in the context, being a Christian is not about following rules and regulations; It is no longer about following the OT Law, it is about looking to Christ as his/her Savior & God by faith as justification. Read the rest of the chapter until you come to verse 22. That is key. Key importance of what God wants you to apply in practice.

No such thing that to follow/disobey observing Sabbath = grave sin. God has nullified the Old Covenant (for the believer) and has cut a new One, a New covenant based on his GRACE. <----everything depends on this. Read Hebrews 8:13.

The Old Testament law still stands against unbeliever...though...but that is another matter.

Note what I've said in the bracket...For the believer and unbeliever.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 16 2017, 07:11 PM)
Hi Nico,

I need to start by asking;

Why should Christians follow what God calls the Old Testament law as a ministry of death? (2 Corinthians 3:7)

Have you not read Romans 14:5-10

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
Verse 5-10 is in the context, being a Christian is not about following rules and regulations; It is no longer about following the OT Law, it is about looking to Christ as his/her Savior & God by faith as justification. Read the rest of the chapter until you come to verse 22. That is key. Key importance of what God wants you to apply in practice.

No such thing that to follow/disobey observing Sabbath = grave sin.  God has nullified the Old Covenant (for the believer) and has cut a new One, a New covenant based on his GRACE. <----everything depends on this. Read Hebrews 8:13.

The Old Testament law still stands against unbeliever...though...but that is another matter.

Note what I've said in the bracket...For the believer and unbeliever.
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Hi Unknown Warrior,

Speaking of Bible, is there a version closest to the original script?

I'm now reading NIV, but some of them say the words used are for beginners and therefore, may not be accurate to true meaning to the original scripts which is in Hebrew.

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post Nov 17 2017, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Nov 17 2017, 06:47 AM)
Hi Unknown Warrior,

Speaking of Bible, is there a version closest to the original script?

I'm now reading NIV, but some of them say the words used are for beginners and therefore, may not be accurate to true meaning to the original scripts which is in Hebrew.
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That would be the King James Version Bible; the closest english translation to the original scripts
In fact, the NIV and other simplified versions of the Bible has hid away various other messages that can be told in a verse..
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QUOTE(zanness @ Nov 17 2017, 07:57 AM)
That would be the King James Version Bible; the closest english translation to the original scripts
In fact, the NIV and other simplified versions of the Bible has hid away various other messages that can be told in a verse..
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Zannes,

Do Catholics use their own version of Bible? There are verses quoted from Catholics cannot be found in my Bible.
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post Nov 17 2017, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Nov 17 2017, 06:47 AM)
Hi Unknown Warrior,

Speaking of Bible, is there a version closest to the original script?

I'm now reading NIV, but some of them say the words used are for beginners and therefore, may not be accurate to true meaning to the original scripts which is in Hebrew.
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As far as I know, there isn't any because each translation has it's pro and con.

NIV has it's fault, so does King James.

But why I stick to NIV, because as what you said, it's good for beginners.

But I use bible.cc a lot because as you already know, there's Greek and Hebrew translation built into it, along with word explanation and exposition.
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There is another site which I can recommend

https://www.biblegateway.com/


If you drop down the translation button, you can see way more translation than bible.cc provides.

You can try NIVUK, that is what i heard from others...could be the best closest translation..but that is what people tells me.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 17 2017, 08:57 AM)
NicoRobinz
There is another site which I can recommend

https://www.biblegateway.com/
If you drop down the translation button, you can see way more translation than bible.cc provides.

You can try NIVUK, that is what i heard from others...could be the best closest translation..but that is what people tells me.
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Thank you.

I'll check out at stores for NIVUK as well as King James version.

BTW, I use this website when I go to church. I only limit my Bible to be used at home.
http://biblehub.com/
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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Nov 17 2017, 09:00 AM)
Thank you.

I'll check out at stores for NIVUK as well as King James version.

BTW, I use this website when I go to church. I only limit my Bible to be used at home.
http://biblehub.com/
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If you can't get NIVUK, NKJV (New King James version) is not too bad either.
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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Nov 17 2017, 08:19 AM)
Zannes,

Do Catholics use their own version of Bible? There are verses quoted from Catholics cannot be found in my Bible.
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Yes.
Catholics use their own versions of the Bible.
This is because of the fact that they do not believe the Bible is fully written and completed. Hence, whatever scrolls or scriptures they dig out or managed to discover can be added into it.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 17 2017, 09:02 AM)
If you can't get NIVUK, NKJV (New King James version) is not too bad either.
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No offense but new KJV is then again a simplified version from KJV..
try comparing verses to verses.. for daily bread reading.. KJV reveals a lot more..
However, for bible studying.. yes.. referring back to the original scripture is the main way, and also to consider the grammer of the original scripture and its application back to that era.
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QUOTE(zanness @ Nov 17 2017, 10:22 AM)
No offense but new KJV is then again a simplified version from KJV..
try comparing verses to verses.. for daily bread reading.. KJV reveals a lot more..
However, for bible studying.. yes.. referring back to the original scripture is the main way, and also to consider the grammer of the original scripture and its application back to that era.
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I can show you one difference.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhKUU4waDTI&t=1174s


In the video it will explain on the word Hell used in KJV is not that accurate while NKJV used a more accurate one.
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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Nov 17 2017, 09:00 AM)
Thank you.

I'll check out at stores for NIVUK as well as King James version.

BTW, I use this website when I go to church. I only limit my Bible to be used at home.
http://biblehub.com/
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Try out this app Olive Tree Bible App.
It's good for bible studying.
Reading the bible and for parallel verses, dictionaries to look-up on words and its definitions..
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 17 2017, 10:26 AM)
I can show you one difference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhKUU4waDTI&t=1174s
In the video it will explain on the word Hell used in KJV is not that accurate while NKJV used a more accurate one.
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Great video but unfortunately i couldn't go through it at the moment.
I'll look into it in a while.
In the mean time, could you share the bible verses involved?
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QUOTE(zanness @ Nov 17 2017, 10:30 AM)
Great video but unfortunately i couldn't go through it at the moment.
I'll look into it in a while.
In the mean time, could you share the bible verses involved?
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You can skip to 8.00 for background explanation.
the word mention is around is about at 9.50

it's only 2-3 minutes of explanation of the word Hell being mistranslated.

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