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 V1. Swiftlet Keeping-EVERYTHING About The Industry, Techniques, Tips, Tricks, Complaints etc

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aeiou228
post Sep 24 2008, 11:33 PM

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Above is my Open Roof BH design and I wish to share it with every one. Copy it at your own risk !!!
( The roof top will be covered by asbestos roof )

Please point out my mistakes and tell me why this BH design will FAIL.

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post Sep 26 2008, 12:14 PM

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By aeiou228 at 2008-09-25

swift4ever, chitchai and swiftbuilt, thank you so very much to share you views.

I closed the LOOPS by sealing off 1 floor of the roving tunnel at the 1st floor ceiling as per advised by swif4ever and chitchai and enlarged the 2nd flr-1st flr LAL to 10' x 7' (same as 1st flr-grd flr LAL) at the 2'4" staircase area.
As for commends by swiftbuit, I really don't no how to handle this issue of young birds just learning to fly having difficulty to fly from ground floor to the top exit/entrance hole.
Is my open roof entrance and LAL OK ?

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Sunset and sunrise direction and swiftlet evening flying path ( morning flying path is from opposite direction)
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post Sep 26 2008, 10:23 PM

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Great info !! I wonder if you can PM me some samples of good stand alone BH design from Thailand. If my farm is successful, for sure will not forget your contribution.


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You mean like this ??
Since my nesting room entrance is one sided, may i know how those birds that circulating anti clockwise in the top floor nesting room will be able to fly out of the nesting room ? Because my BH is just 20' wide and the birds will find it difficult to change it back to clockwise. Thank you in advance. notworthy.gif

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post Sep 27 2008, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(arong @ Sep 27 2008, 01:07 AM)
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If you insist to maintain the monkey house, how about just remove the nesting room partition. If  birds know how to come in they know how to go out. Not to worry.

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Removing the partition......... Mmmm.... how do you suggest me to separate the wet area (due to rain water from the open roof) from the dry area then? Also, the will be very bright without partition, any tips to over come ?
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post Sep 30 2008, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Sep 30 2008, 02:36 PM)
Hi, First come first.....is it your BH and is completed or is it just one of your many designs. Although, this is a bad BH design but a beautiful design and I would like to live in this house but not the birds.

Just my humble view and many may disagree with me and it's OK and like the Thai man says, Uncle West so am old so sometime right and sometime wrong...old lah, forgetful.

My bird sense tell me that your dog house is wrong because you  do not know why you need a dog house in the first place ...and when you reason why, then you know where you gone wrong. Think and you tell me where you gone wrong with the design and why you waste so much space unless you have plenty of money to spend later to renovate again.

I still think that this must be a BH drawing plan only and you are testing our IQ. Pardon me if I am wrong
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I plan to build the BH using the below design.
My reasons to build a 19' x 19' foyer on top of the roving area are:
1) I want the birds after enter the BH to rove around with ease.
2) I only allocated 20'W x 14'L x 10'H for the 3rd floor roving area and I want to give the bird high ceiling lobby when checking in my Hotel.
3) To block direct sunlight to the nesting room entrance hole.
4) The surrounding area near the entrance hole have some tall trees (trees belongs to adjacent land owner) , therefore i want to make the hole higher.

I don't have plenty of money to spend later for rectification work. I hope to make it right from the beginning. please point out my mistakes

Pls point out my mistakes in:
1) Main Entrance Hole.
2) Roving area.
3) Nesting room entrance holes.
4) LAL.
5) Floor height.
6) Layout design.
7) Staircace
8) Others

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post Oct 2 2008, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(swift4ever @ Sep 30 2008, 08:19 AM)
Just close the roof and remove the partition would be enough IMHO. Staircase LAL is good other LALs in other locations are not advisable for safety sake.
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Which partition to be removed ?

All LALs and staircases will be installed with 3' H railing.
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post Oct 2 2008, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(swift4ever @ Oct 2 2008, 02:30 PM)
For nesting room entrance holes,
IMHO, you need only to close the one on same side with staircase. Open wider on the other one to let some light in.
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Oh ! I see... You mean no removal of any partition but closing of the right hand side nesting room entrance hole ?
Mmm.... then what about the birds that flies clockwise in the roving area ? Don't they having problem to fly into the nesting room ? Also, for the birds that flies anticlockwise inside the nesting room, the birds will have to change the circulation direction to clockwise in order to fly out ??

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post Oct 7 2008, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Oct 4 2008, 12:35 AM)
Below is always my own explanation to why one entrance is always better than two or more and worse if the two openings are close together. What we don't want is "sini masok sana keluar" for masok is masok not keluar lah. If ever you want to have 2 entrances,  keep the 2 entrances far apart and partition  off. This way, you can try on 2 entrances and two BHs in one BLD.and not too windy or bright.

2. Light and wind are the reason we want to control and birds direction to be considered when designing entrance opening  and having 2 opening will create a circulation or too windy and the birds will be scared........remember white shit.

3. Entrance is to allow the birds easy inlet but not too much light and wind. Temperature and humidity is another factors to consider and shall not be a factor in your entrance hole design main reason as it is entrance hole. 

As always, above are my own opinions and others may think otherwise.
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Dear West Wing,
Thank you very much for sharing your experience. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
BTW the "entrance" that you are talking about is main entrance hole or nesting room entrance hole ?

QUOTE(swift4ever @ Oct 3 2008, 10:31 AM)
Yes, that's what I meant exactly. Lure birds from one direction instead of both if I were you.
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Dear swift4ever,

Thank you very much for sharing your experience. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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post Oct 8 2008, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(tongserseng @ Oct 8 2008, 09:50 AM)
Dear West Wing

May you advise us which broadband packages are suitable for cctv usage ? and how many camera needed for 2 floor BH for bird monitoring and security purposes ? Thanks in advance Bro..................  thumbup.gif
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Use streamyx 1mb if you can. Mobile broadband is very much location dependent. If you are not in the HSDPA footprint, don't waste money on 3G. As for the CCTV I know seeseng is good at it, seeseng ?
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post Oct 10 2008, 10:48 PM

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In Kota Bharu, there is a huge Swiftlet eco park to be developed in Jalan PCB where MPKB is also involved in this project. Once the eco park is ready I wonder MPKB will still allow swiftlet ranching in the town area.
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post Oct 17 2008, 03:05 PM

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A friendly reminder to all Mukah BH friends,

If you can't fight the Ranger or FRU and they trespass your private property, get your video/camera phone ready and record every thing they do to your property. Don't just fight them and forget about taking evidence of their wrong doing. If you are too busy defending your property, please get a friend to help you video recording. The video footage will be very useful if you need to sue the state government for trespassing and compensation in the future.
Remember Bandar Cheras Mahkota case ? The assault victim have video proof to show to the tribunal that a large group of FRU actually attaching him from all corners

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QUOTE(soonhock @ Oct 19 2008, 11:39 AM)
Hi,

I need some advice for you guys here. Thanks.
I am looking to buy a  BH sitting on 1 acre of Agri land in Terengganu, with build in, 1800 sq ft, 2stories high?. Can anyone give me a est fair price for it?. Thanks.

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Information provided were too general to even guess a fair price. Some agri land worth RM100,000/acr and some RM10,000/acr depending on location. As for value of BH, just use RM45/sqft as a yardstick.
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post Nov 1 2008, 05:26 PM

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Sifu,

How many water outlet, power point and lighting point are necessary for each floor for a new stand alone 3 storey 20 x 70 BH ?

I have power point, lighting point and water outlet in my control room for water pump, amp and lighting control. Is it necessary or practical to have lighting point, power point and water outlet installed at all floors also ?

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Nov 2 2008, 08:59 PM)
OK, I start this forum is for everyone who wanted to buy and sell birdnests, a forum where buyers and sellers can meet and discuss about the present situation of the birdnests market. A place where there is no loser only winners, I hope. A forum where everyone can buy quality healthy nests at cheap price. At present down turn of the world economy, we look back to  Malaysian to give them some of the world best bird, Malaysian Birdnest  and it going at a bargain. Instead of selling the nest cheaper oversea, I rather offer to buyers personally and what I mean are buyers, the ones that know what good for their families and want to buy original and quality birdnests at cheaper price...........

So, if the buyers are offering so low a price giving excuses and putting fear on the BHs owners whom are so worried about the present situation.that the price is going lower and lower, I shall start offering my nests to the public if they want to buy at Rm4000 per KG semi cup and lesser if quater cup. I will teach them on how to clean the nests. Win Win situation as I will get better price for my nests and the public will get cheaper nests by processing the nests themselves. Now, Malaysian public can afford to have birdnest for breakfast, lunch, dinner and supper..............
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I think teaching the public how to clean the bird's nest is a great idea and it certainly a win win situation for consumers and BH owner.
Armed with the knowledge of cleaning bird nest, more consumers can now buy raw nests confidently directly from BH in their respective locality. BH farmers can now rely on new breed of buyers ( the direct consumers) apart from traditional buyers to stabilize the prize and cushion the down turn impact.
Retail bird's nest is so expensive that even higher income group can't afford to periodically consuming it. If DIY bird's nest price becomes affordable, more more people will be able to eat bird's nest.
Like Air Asia, remove all the frills and every one can fly. So now in the case bird's nest, every one can taste bird's nest. AA sell it's ticket thru the internet, likewise BH farmers can also advertise their stock thru internet forum and blog.

West Wing, I strongly support you to open a new topic that discuss all about buy & sell raw nest and Home DIY processing.

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post Nov 19 2008, 10:00 AM

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Andy,

You got this bubble sheet embedded with double sided aluminum foil ?
PM detail pricing if yo have.
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QUOTE(YeeHup @ Nov 20 2008, 12:02 PM)
Sorry, we dont have this material that you wanted.

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Fine. BTW why don't you upload some pictures of your BH related products here ? Your company's website doesn't show much detail.
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QUOTE(swift4ever @ Nov 20 2008, 09:25 PM)
A friend of mine uses it and told me it costs less than $2/sq ft. Used it on top of ceiling and serves him well.
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Can anyone tell what prices it is up north and east coast for the nest right now? Soft down south and if no buyers interested next month then it will drop like hell after CNY as I was told. cry.gif Incidentally, prices of nests have been dropping for the last 2 years, newbies should think twice about venturing into this area. Consultant once told me it is ok even price go down to $1k/kg a few years ago, it is different story today compared to a few years ago and he apparenty changes his view by hoping no more new birds houses should be added.
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QUOTE(sunworld77 @ Nov 21 2008, 10:39 PM)
Hello, I'm new here....1st time in the forum..been waiting a long time to join.

Just got word on this 'unitized' program for swiftlets farm. Cost only RM16K. Return of investment is 7% per annum for 1st 2 years. Therafter, return based on actual bird's nest yeild....sound good. Anyone got comment
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Can you post more details here ??? how does it work ??
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QUOTE(chiongguo @ Nov 23 2008, 11:39 AM)
    To prevent heat from travelling down to the bh via radiation use a metalic shiny surface such as the aluminium foil illustrated in the diagram but that foil is expensive and is very fragile. 
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Last time I can get the bubble sheet with aluminum foil on both side at 65cts per sq ft for 1 roll quantity. PM me if you want some. The more we bulk, the cheaper the price.
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QUOTE(YeeHup @ Nov 24 2008, 12:51 PM)
Hi there,

Wow, that could be expensive too compared to what I'm offering here. My standard size is 4' x 8' x 25mm (thickness) is only selling at RM 12.50/pc, if using your price at 65cents per sq feet and convert it on my product is actually costs you abt RM 20.80/pc.

Maybe there are members out there will think that 'hey compared it with apple with an apple'. To be frank, yes the product is different material but the most important it serve insulation purposes too. Less cost will the same purpose...why not?...

Thats my 2cents opinion...anyway if other members interested to know more about us. Please visit our website (http://www.yeehup.com) or email directly to me (andylow@yeehup.com)

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I thought in post#1765 you mentioned you don't have this material ?? This heat insulator material comes in rolls not in pieces. Are you referring to the same product ??

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