Instead of finding way to speed up the progress why don't find out the problems that slow down the progress? How long average time a bird go in to explore the farm and come out? I suspect there's internal design problem or tweeter configuration problem. What type of entrance you're using and what size?



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Keep dream on lah. To get 4.8k/kg you'll at least need super size cup shape nests very white colour very less feather grade. Nests in Klang can hardly achieve that quality due to air pollution.

Early morning bird count when they start coming out for breakfast. If lazy can you handy cam. Accuracy will be affected if some exit birds start to play re-enter to the BH.
Shit spot couting is another alternative but need to enter farm. For a month old virgin farm time 11am to 2pm is not a problem since no afternoon baby feeding. This method is sort of agak-agak only the number of birds. Small shit spot counted as 1 bird. Bigger spot like roti canai size counted as 1 pair. Going home time average 7:30pm depending on how dark the sky.

Time is not a problem there will still be swiftlet activities if the sky still bright. If it's already total dark I doubt those are AF in activities. There are 3 species of swiftlet that will respond to external chirp sound playing. All AF stay in BH and caves all consider wild. No AF residence on trees lah unless those lost or late come home can't find way home one.

Those already built nests in other BH will not likely migrate to yours unless disaster happen the the existing BH. Your BH can only attract new young birds. Lonely birds and couple birds that haven't built their first nest yet. If that group confirm AF and can try to lure the young birds from there. Did your Con-sultan mention why it's hard to attract those birds? Must confirm they're AF or not lah if not waste time only. Observe their activities what are they doing there. Selling umbrellas on rainy days will be good business.

To determine your land is suitable for swiftlet farming you will need to conduct a few bird call tests and count the number of birds that got attracted when bird calling. Are there any swiftlet activities around the land? Any pass by your land at 6:30pm to 7:30pm?

<<eye rolls>>

The claim was by the media only. You can claim of anything you want. There're many BH achieve better results than that. 11 months achieved 300 nests all cup nests no corner nest at all also have.

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I use a chicken farm humidifier for my farm and realise the it wet the surrounding floor area. The water will then seep to the floor below and the nesting plank.
Is it normal that the humidifier will wet the surrounding area and if it does how do I overcome it. I have place the humidifier into a 4' X 4 water tank' but the mist still wet the floor. Any good suggestions?

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Timer controlled? How long each time running and stop period? Perhaps a hygrostat would help. http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=688710&hl=

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Timer controlled? How long each time running and stop period? Perhaps a hygrostat would help. http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=688710&hl=

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It is time control, running 15 minutes per hour for about 8 hour a day. Does the price ( RM 450.00 ) include delivery?

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Info from a blog? If not fully understand the product people might get misleaded such as it's not cheaper than humidifier if your farm is a 1 floor shoplot farm.
Water pump mist sprayer is not new method. First one I saw in farming back in 2002. This method can only be cheaper than poultry humidifier IF your farm is over 2000 square feet or larger. Beneficial for big farm but for shoplot farm average 1400-1600 square feet per floor that require 2-3 units of poultry humidifier a mist sprayer would not be so economical any more. It does not come with hygrostat but can add timer switch or hygrostat to control it. It was very expensive back then but nowadays very affordable due to made in China pumps, noozles, valves, pressure controller Switch, piping and competitions in installation workmanship.
1 horse power pump can cover 2000sq feet area. 1.5HP for 3000sq feet and 2HP technically cover 4000sq feet and of course highly depend on piping size, piping distance, height etc. To prevent noozle clog just tripple filtered the water source before go into the pump. Nest Tech has been selling their custom made unit with built-in hygrostat, 3 filter etc.
Well using mist sprayer the floor will also wet. The point is must control the duration of spray no matter it's mist spray or poultry humidifier. At 80%RH increase to 85%RH the floor only slightly wet and will not go down into lower floor.
In fact there is a new method in farm humidification and becoming a new trend in Sitiawan. Just ask those people from Sitiawan who're willing to share lah.

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Pak Agong's swiftlet captivity farm. That was not something new I've downloaded that a year ago before someone posted on Youtube. Heard it wasn't so successful. Swiftlet in captivity. They have low resistance to deseases. Only food is mrutu and that's the only food they will get. Imagine human transmit deseases to swiftlets, an outbreak of new breed desease. Personally I'm against this method.
If this method succeed imagine every country in the world can industrilise swiftlet farming in a scientific controlled environment. China doing large scale farming with cheap labour, cheap land, cheap everything who can compete? Maybe end up in over production. Price drop to 10% of current price. Nests selling in longgok in pasar. Yup! What a bright future... man~~

It's the point of opening this thread. Each other stating their own points. No problem I don't feel offended at all it's good to discuss this thread lack of good discussions for a long long time. There's no right or wrong. Just stating facts on how well you know about AF. Well at least need to know AF is not black colour they're brown.

Long time ago when I first saw the picture and further on retrieved the video from the TV station website I also thought the same like you. I thought it's a brilliant method. Breed 10 thousand birds you will have 10 thousand birds no competition. Probably already millions of newbies worldwide saw the video and thought the same. 4 main countries consume the most bird nests. If these 4 countries can produce their own nests why would they want to buy African nests? Well not all animal suitable to be domesticated. Swiftlet inherit the habbit of direct contact with human and eat like chickens. Once 1 case of H5N1 finally found in swiftlet blood in Malaysia imagine how many farm will be closed down for investigation? So far any effective H5N1 vaccination to protect the birds? Not yet An established farm easily cost over 1 million depend on numbers of total nests. In Malaysia alone number of swiftlet farms VS number of all other animals farms swiftlet farms' number still beat them a long long way. Imagine the loses.
I'm not saying we don't improve of course everything must have improvement. I'm just commenting on this particular method of Pak Agung it's just too many flaws in it.

In a controlled environment. For Taiwan, China, HK, Macau to double or tripple world nest production in 3-5 years is not a problem. Just keep buying eggs from Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand to brred. Pak Agung one consider small scale lah just 2 acre land. Imagine what China government can do. Well personally I only think bird nests is a business investment. In nutrition it's the same as cheap white fungi. Nothing special to consume. Medical reports from this and that Universities? *<eye rolls>*

*Rolling on Floor Laughing*
I also got 2 eggs. But not for sales.

Technically the sound will attract 3 types swiftlets. AF, Sriti and red belly. Sriti population is low in Malaysia and red belly only exist in plantation areas. Judge them by colour, size and flying styles lah. Sriti also known as grass swift, house swift, common swift.

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Wrong.

Your membership for which SMC? The old one at Google groups or http://swiftletmclub.12.forumer.com ? Had my membership at the new SMC since 15 Oct 2007. Membership was suspended on 30 Jan 2008 until today because in order to activate membership forum owner request members to email him personal photo. Personally don't think that's necessary so my membership still suspeded. The old SMC still fuction for me but it's already like a ghost cowboy town forum. Too many rules and regulations don't you think? Hey it's the internet. What for so conservative? Why can't it be like KPW Indonesia?

Uncle West Wing, Dr. Chris' book should be too entry level for you. When you started bird farming Dr.Chris not even in this field yet. It's possible get your SMC membership activated without buying the book or join the seminar. You can do so by email the forum owner himself telling him about your 7 years experience in swiftlet farming. And most importantly your commitment to share your experience and knowledge with everyone. The determination of posting articles. By few posts a day you'll become top 10 or top 5 poster in no time. There are 251 people registered in the forum so far. How many got activated? I estimated less than 30 or maybe less than 20. Since it stated only active participated members will get activated so only 26 members posted more than 5 times. Only 18 members got 10 posts or more so how many posts consider active member? Anyway my estimated of activated members very few only. I got 2 posts also not duck egg. More than 200 people zero post. Well how am I going to post more if my membership not activated?

You mean this product? 3G EYE?


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In my humble opinion multi channel DVR with infra-red cameras + broadband internet access is more practical than 3G EYE. Personally I'm selling both 3G EYE and DVR with IR cams at my shop for RM750 each. The only good thing is it's fairly easy to set up. Just insert a 3G activated sim card. Owner's 3G mobile phone will have to sms a specific code for authentication. Not all 3G phones can access to the 3G EYE. Only owner's phone and few other numbers that owner allowed and set into the system. The IR lens can be controlled left and right but not up and down. Up and down have to manually set by hand. Note that the 3G signal must be strong enaugh to initiate video calls. The recording memory is limited to size of T-Flash memory card. If only want to install 1 cam then 3G EYE is ok. For those who want to install 4 or more camera channels then DVR is more econimical.


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