Dear Sam,

Thanks for your personal message, otherwise until now still don't aware the function of the player that i am using............

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Added on August 20, 2008, 10:58 amThanks for the advise,

This post has been edited by 69ing: Aug 20 2008, 10:58 AM

I always thought that swiftlets can only make love in the sky as I have saw them making love.............how wonderful....making love in the air.

Only until recently, HM mentioned in his blog that swiftlets do make love in the BH, and I never expect them to do so for they have such short legs and their nails are sharp. How to get hold on your partner with such short legs and sharp nails, this must be a painful experiance for the lady bird and this I want to see. A lessen learned today and thank you, Sifu HM for the info.

Well in all areas there are advantages & disadvantages. If you choosen coastal area you have to beware of the wind, any wrong positioning of the entrance hole would prevent birds to enter your farm as the coastal wind normally is strong.

Strong wind normally force movement of air in your farms any inbalance would cause the RH & Temp go up side down which is not favored by birds. In such area you need to know how to play & control the movement of air. There come the numbers of ventilation holes & the design to anticipate such condition.

Any mistake or lack understanding of such condition would make your farms growth super slow even in good area.

Good luck!

anyone wanna try to reply to TheStar?

I don't know what you all think but pardon me, I rather not reply for you may stir up hornet nest. Even in the most populated BHs area, what is the percentage of BH owners to non BH owners.......1%?. To shot one down, you end up having 100 gun pointing at you. What we need to respond are to the authorities not to the public. Explanation yes but respond no.

Most not having any involvement in this industries are all against BHs. Tell you a story about a family of 4 brothers and 3 are in this BHs but the one that is not has been complaining of loudness and unable to sleep due to the sound from BHs. How come the other brothers have no effect from the BHs except him? He has been complaining to the Association, the Local Government and the Police. The Association just remind members to keep the sound low and try not to disturb the neighbors. Even the brothers cannot talk sense to him, who can?

The only solution is to get the guy to be involve in this industry and peace will prevail. We BH rangers shall always explain to anyone wishing to know more about this industry, nothing to hide and always share knowledge and the more in the industry, the better shall be the future. No way anyone can steal your bird.................it's safe in your pant......Ha ha ha ha ha

Thanks switftbuild for advise, point noted.

Regarding The Star article, seems like nowadays there are getting more and more. The more you reply, the more they will write. But one thing for sure based on many encounters, would say though authority giving green light and licenses for bird farms in commercial lots, unfortunately many are taking it for granted as 'license to shoot'. Some area do sounds like war zones while encounter few easily above 100dbA shooting sound straight at residential, hospital etc. Seriously asking for trouble in time to come for the rest of us. Hope associations can act to ensure farmers are more sensitive and responsible to the public. Everyone want a piece of cake but whatever you do lets also think of others and minimise esp the noise polution. Nobody want the gomen overnite change in policy for sure.

During the construction of our one and only BH, I kept remind the sifu contractor to ensure facing of the speakers do no affect nearby residence. Window all laminate black so from outside cant even notice it is BH. There is one hotel around too people also doing business make sure no complaint from them. Some neighbours also expressed they worries with us. Told them not to worry we will do the best to ensure they are not affected. Opt for airwell entry design though he proposed additional dog kennel thru staircase. So far after 4 mths though result bit slow but quite a few pairs already staying. Some neighbours even congrats aft seeing birds entry into the farm. Not bad got daily monitoring some more. Win win situation for all.

Have see so many with average volume, some with even no sound flourish like fountain. While few with miserable few or no bird turn high volume more like bird disco. Think birds also suffer hearing problem like tat so fly away to other more peaceful BHs.

This post has been edited by New Bird: Aug 20 2008, 05:56 PM

Dear Sifus,
I'm new here, but i read most of your posting, i found this forum very interesting. Very transparent. And I like Seeseng, West wing, Swiftbuild, weihow. I shared the same view as a farmer shall respect, love and care for the swiftlets then could be considered a successful one. Here i just wanted to encourage you all to keep doing what you all do to conserve this species while providing income for your family. From my research, birdnest soup is not merely as a legendary 'dish'. Just cut it short. here is my findings - Nutritional value in the nest per 100gram of diluted nest: (sorry... try to attach a table but won't work)

Protein: 37.5 gram, Fat : 0.3 gram, Carbohydrate : 32.1 gram, Calcium : 485 mg, Phosphor : 18 mg, Iron : 3 mg, moisture : 24.5 gram, other unknown substance : 5.094 gram. Resulting in a total of 281 calories per 100 gram of nest.
Aspartic acid : 0.4789%, Glutamic acid : 2.0875%, Tirosin 1.5166%, Serine : 1.6607%, Glycine : 1.2718%, Histidine : 0.8181%, Threonine : 0.6008%, Alanine : 0.7146%, Valine: 0.8225%, Methionine : 0.3542%, Isoleucine : 0.9023%, Leucine : 1.0266%, Phenylalanine : 1.1389%, Lysine : 0.3543%.
Sources from: Nutrition Section of Indonesia Health Department, cited in Drs. Arief Budiman (2002) - Budi Daya Walet, Pengalaman Pakar dan Praktisi Seri II.

The nutrition & Amino acids in our daily requirement according to RDA (US). Evaluate further below:

Type of Nutrition | Content per 100g of consumable nest | Daily Recommended Consumption per day

Calories | 281 cal | Infant:700 kcal, Adult 1800-2550kcal
Fat 0.3 g -
Carbohydrate | 32.1 g | 10-20mg, Pregnant women : 27mg
Calcium | 485 mg | 800-1200mg
Phosphor | 18 mg | 800-1200mg
Iron | 3mg | 15-20mg
Aspartic Acids | 478.9 mg | Unknown

Type of Nutrition | Content per 100g of consumable nest | Daily Recommended Consumption per day

Protein which contains amino acids as below: Average of 32.3 to 37.5 gram
Glutamic Acids | 2087.5 mg | 457mg/kg of body weight.
Tirosin | 1516.6 mg (Usually combined together with Phenylalanine with total of : 14mg/kg of body weight).
Serine | 1660.7 mg | Unknown
Glysine | 1271.8 mg | Unknown
Histidine | 818.1 mg | adult : unnecessary/unknown
infant : 28mg per kg of body weight
Threonine | 600.8 mg | 7mg/kg of body weight, infant:63mg/kg of body weight.
Alanine | 714.6 mg | Unknown
Valine | 822.5 mg | 10mg/kg of body weight,
infant : 89mg/kg of body weight.
Methionine |354.2 mg | 50mg/kg of body weight
Isoleucine |902.3 mg | 10mg/kg of body weight,
Infant : 80mg/kg of body weight
Leucine | 1026.6 mg | 14mg/kg of body weight,
Infant : 128mg/kg of body weight.
Phenylalanine | 1138.9 mg | Formed together with Tirosin : 14mg/kg of body weight.
Lysine | 354.3 mg | 12mg/kg of body weight.
Table 1.1. Source of reference: USRDA (US-Recommended Daily Allowance)

Another point is here:
In U.S. Pat. No. 4071408, Michael & Stuart (1978), the nest also contain enzyme neuraminidase induced by Arthrobacter sialophilum sp. nov. with various glycoprotein. The enzyme could be crystallized and is known for solid tumors regression treatment and further contribute to research in immunological and birth control.

So, the market for Birdnest might not only limited to CHINA-man only. In the future, it might be a good source for farmaceutical production. Just like the Horse-Shoe Crab. With their blood useful to kill all kind of bacteria. Praise the Lord for creating such a wonderful World for us!!!!

Lim

This post has been edited by Armoured.Sparrow: Aug 21 2008, 03:07 PM

true. this really calls for experience. better keep low profile.

btw, it's still very tricky when u get some neighbours who're continuously blasting their tweeters. someone talked to him and it doesn't help. now that area everyone gets a summon and perhaps a courts notice to dismantle the speakers.
ironically, his farm got broken into for 5 times while most others unharmed.

any better suggestions?

Believe many complaints highlighted on the papers regarding aviation diseases only one of the many excuses to shoot down BH rangers. Believe the main reason is noise pollution caused by few irresponsible rangers. Of course the rest of more responsible ones indirectly got all the blame too.

If you want to complaint, of course you will find 1001 reasons verify your claim. But come to think of it swiftlets, sparrows etc have always been around in the town centres even before this new industry started but no one worries about it. Fresh chickens being sold daily in the smelly wet market but nobody worries about aviation diseases. Why worry only about swiftlet house? Why don't close down all the chicken farmers, stop selling of fresh chicken in the market then just stay at home?

Be more considerate and be good to your neighbors, think people generally will close one eye if you dont disturb their life. Cheers!

This post has been edited by tongserseng: Aug 22 2008, 07:23 AM

cheers tongserseng.

Posting complaints here got response / feedback pretty fast eh? tongserseng.

Hi, Everybody,

I am a newbie in town. Recently, I come across a no. of billboards advertising an ISO 9001 certified birdnest consultant/contractor, Yenzheka, all over in Klang. Thinking of engaging him, any advice ?

Give him another few days time for him to finish up the outstanding works and tweeter repairing............ may be will post again if he still besok lusa.....................until make me frustrated !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Added on August 22, 2008, 11:50 amNo matter how good the consultant, they are all business men, even you can not trust ur own self how u expect to trust the business men.........

juz make the agreement during his quotation on the timing and material used for the BH if possible. Ask those newbie whether the result of BH done by him is good or not ???????????? check any comment from them and what is the pro and contra .........
take care and be careful when dealing with these consultant especially when u doing the payment, make sure hold some money before the works is fully done............

note ..... port klang area is already air polluted better check the quality of the BH nest there before u decided to built ur BH over there otherwise end up ur nest nobody willing to eat and buy ......

This post has been edited by tongserseng: Aug 22 2008, 11:54 AM

Did they show you the original copy of ISO certificate? Got the registrar's name? Note that Yenzheka Bird Nest and Yenzheka Technology S/B are different companies. To obtain ISO9001 certification just need to submit internal account audit, company records, standard level of management control etc. What these certification has to do with bird farming?? Go ahead lah. Afterwards successful do post here to help others. Obtained 2 LP chee also post here to warn others.

Well I guess complain no longer tolerable in this forum.

There are good and bad.

Cheers!

Hi ykltpm,

Met the owner before. Quite humble and helpful guy. Understand he owned many BHs. Think they have MSC status too. Again, these ppl are businessmen. You need to know bit of basic to judge good and not so good consultants rather than total blank. Price bit stiff but again if kungfu good people still willing to pay. Again you also have to know what you are paying for based on bit of basic knowledge than you have. Not sure of his kungfu but understand he learnt from Indo sifu, owned few successful BHs and appeared on tv and papers. IMO, he is good in sound system.

Out of topic:- Generally, a lot of consultants out there also own many BHs. Is there an issue of conflict of interest? Sure nobody want your consultant to build another BH next to yours tomolo. Some consensus need before decide on consultant.

This post has been edited by New Bird: Aug 22 2008, 05:25 PM

Yong,

Ha..ha...ha... New birds got it all wrong.

I think nEw birsd has to ask Yong ..

Bro,

Not all consultants are bad................................read their titles carefully.......it's consultant and not CON sultant lah. Do engage a consultant if you need one but be careful to pick the right one. Need help after that, you may refer to the forum and most of our SIFUs here are generous in giving their comments and advices when appropriate. All Free and here you too need to be careful also, we all are just human.

In my little experience, it is more difficult to build a new BH and it is better to buy an existing one cos' it is easy to find fault in existing one and you do have more confidence as the BH has already some nests. If you have a empty Shoplot or land, go ahead to build new BH as you have all to gain and m=nothing to lose.............................even no bird during the first few months. trust me if your location is goo, there is no reason to fail.

Again, this is only my humble opinion