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 Kia Optima GT 2017 at rm179k

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KennyKB
post Jun 21 2017, 04:23 PM

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Turbocharging an engine may not result in better fuel economy but it makes the car more driveable with max torque coming in at low rpm. This makes it much more fun to drive and safer for overtaking plus you will feel less tiring driving a car with adequate power over long distances. In Malaysia our road tax structure means that turbo cars are more practical to upkeep than large cc cars.

It isn't new technology as European cars have been using it for so long but the Japs have been slow to adopt it. I think it is only due to Koreans pushing ahead with turbo that the Japs now feel compelled to go turbo too for fear of being left behind. Even then it is only Honda tip-toeing cautiously into this field with lightly boosted turbo and frequent reminders to service in case their engines explode while Toyota, Mazda and Nissan are still locked in the past as far as our market is concerned.

Previously to drive a powerful turbo car you need buy a Conti car with scary reliability and costly maintenance. For non-luxury segment that would be a VW, Peugeot or Ford and for luxury segment a Merc, BMW or Audi. Such cars are not for the faint hearted or the not so deep pocketed. You can drive a powerful Continental car but you drive in fear.

But the game has changed with the Koreans adding turbo to their C and D segment cars. The Optima GT puts the exhilarating power of a 2.0L turbo engine within reach of mere mortals. The beauty of its styling is matched by the beauty of its engine. Korean cars have arrived and they make no apologies for their quality and features. Those still mired in brand snobbery against Korean cars can give way to the Optima GT zooming past while sedately driving their NA Camrys and Accords.

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post Jun 22 2017, 07:47 PM

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The Camry 2018 will come with NA engine (max 2.5L with a puny output of 206hp) while the 2.4L engine of the 2018 Accord will be replaced with a puny 1.5L turbocharged engine (probably the same unit as Civic). They will match the Optima GT in price but not in power. However this is Honda/Toyota country so expect Malaysians to pay the same for less.
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post Jun 24 2017, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jun 24 2017, 10:31 AM)
Replied to @Ginny88 as well.

Camry 2018 2AR-FSE engine could get 206hp with good fuel consumption is considered really good. Can you point out any similar price car 2.5L that generates 206ps without sacrificing high fuel usage? You get the new Camry, you don't have to worry about intercooler leakage that leads to overheating issue or inefficient turbo assist (power loss) or service the turbo set at interval, clogging, etc.

New Accord 1.5T will sure sell far better than Optima GT mainly because it provided safe long term ownership. New Camry if 2.5L NA engine available could sell well because of cheaper maintenance and best reliability over long term ownership.

Compared to buying Optima GT under lousy failed marketing and management, car not selling well followed by less spare parts being brought in due to just few or almost none on the road. If current distributor dumped this brand and new distributor take over, their SC doesn't cover older models service. Then owners will have no expert technical support. Some more this Optima got so much electronic, you don't expect outside Ah Chong or Ah Meng workshop can fix properly
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Why need 2.5L engine when 2.0L turbo can generate significantly more power? If you are not driving like a rally driver the FC for 2.0L turbo engine should not lose to 2.5L NA engine.

2.5L car has poor resale value due to our high road tax for large cc cars. So owner had better keep it for long, long time.

New Accord 1.5L will only have power of 2.0L NA engine. Good for uncles and oldies who don't want to go fast.

Speculation that current distributor will dump Kia brand has no basis. There are also Korean specialist workshops outside if you need them but for most maintenance general mechanics will do. Korean cars like Jap cars don't require specialists but don't expect Ah Chong or Ah Meng workshop to repair your Passat.
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post Jun 26 2017, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(kluseng @ Jun 26 2017, 03:22 PM)
If your only criteria is fun to drive than of course Passat but the overall ownership experience must take into account maintenance. A Passat is more expensive and troublesome to maintain as DSG, mechatronic, coil packs and adaptive dampers are high failure items. Do you have alternative transport if your car lands in the workshop for weeks?

I'm not saying an Optima is cheap to maintain but it shouldn't be too different from a D-segment Jap car. Any Optima/Sonata owners can give their input?
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As an Optima owner for 10 years (pre-K5) let me give you an idea. I exclude tyres as they are consumable items which depends on how much you travel.

Average per year over 10 years: RM2400
Excluding first 3 years as not typical, average from 4th to 10th year: RM2950
Average mileage per year: 22,000 km

I don't think the GT will be different by a lot. Bear in mind that my Optima was using timing belt which required changing every 60,000 km. The new Optima should use timing chain which doesn't need replacement.


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post Jun 28 2017, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(subaru555 @ Jun 28 2017, 10:59 AM)
Rm2400 per year is quite high. What was the major items that was replaced or repaired?
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Yes, I agree it could be lower. Main items were batteries, timing belts, A/C condenser (2x), engine mountings (2 sets) , lower arms, upper arms, ball joints, brake pads, absorbers, water hoses and radiator repair. I probably got cheated for the first set of engine mountings which lasted less than a year. The lower and upper arm and ball joints seem to give recurring problems so maybe I was given sub-standard parts as well. (There are also China made parts for Korean cars). This is the problem of using too many different mechanics just for convenience sake. In retrospect I should have found a good mechanic and stuck to him.
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post Jun 28 2017, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(subaru555 @ Jun 28 2017, 07:18 PM)
Seems like lots of parts failed. I used to owned a version 10 Subaru for 6 years and the only part failed is the absorbers which I changed to coil overs at rm3500. That's about it other than normal maintenance.
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The longer you keep the car the heavier the maintenance. Most of the major repairs were in the last 4 years. For the first 6 years nothing much except wear and tear items like battery, brake pads, timing belts and regular servicing except for one change of A/C condenser. Engine mountings, absorbers, water hoses, radiator, lower arms, upper arms, ball joints, etc were all in the last 4 years. The 2nd condenser change was just after I sold the car but before hand over. I told the new owner, "Someone up there must be looking after you!"



 

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