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azam_halim
post May 31 2017, 05:44 AM

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Mana nak dapat landed 500k kat area condo 500k??
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post May 31 2017, 06:19 AM

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i thouhmght to bash first but after read the whole thing, yeah wholeheartedly agreed
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post May 31 2017, 06:36 AM

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Seriously good piece of advice. U guys should all just follow TS suggestion. 👍
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post May 31 2017, 07:34 AM

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Pipul dont care.
Pipul buy because property price is always UUU so must bbb because always make profit.

Buy today rm500k
After 3 years can sell for rm750k.
Instant 30% profit. Laugh all the way to the bank.

Buy property is the only investment that won't lose money. Like buying gold, silver and bitcoin. Always make money
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post May 31 2017, 07:45 AM

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no one buy condo where got China 1 belt 1 road come pay tax at Malaysia , this is no good for country income.
and if you rent the owner will sure rise your rental or even they will sell the unit , then you need to look for higher rent unit again

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notoriousfiq
post May 31 2017, 07:55 AM

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so many investors ITT.. what happen to property talk?
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post May 31 2017, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ May 30 2017, 11:58 PM)
People buy what you kesah apa?

Suka sangat wanna jaga tepi kain orang.
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Problem is, he can't afford house. See people buy then sudah jeles and triggered
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post May 31 2017, 08:01 AM

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My apartment maintenance fee rm 80 only weh. Old apartment though.
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post May 31 2017, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ May 31 2017, 08:00 AM)
Problem is, he can't afford house. See people buy then sudah jeles and triggered
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I don't think that's the case. Clearly he is an investor, wanting people to rent his unit, pay for his installments & giving him profits, instead of buying their own home.
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post May 31 2017, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ May 31 2017, 08:03 AM)
I don't think that's the case. Clearly he is an investor, wanting people to rent his unit, pay for his installments & giving him profits, instead of buying their own home.
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Lolz. Yep. Can be either 1 scenario. But both is butthurt and triggered Liao.
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post May 31 2017, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ May 30 2017, 11:47 PM)
This is for people who can only afford 1 property in their lifetime for own stay and below are the reasons:

1.You buy a rm500k condo, you need to pay rm50k upfront Downpayment, rm450k loan, at interest 4% for 30 years, you have to pay rm2.1k per month. Total interest paid would be rm323,409

2.Maintenance fee assume rm200 a month, 1 year is rm2.4k. that is rm2.3k per month just on the condo.

for rm2.3k, it's more than enough to rent a full unit and your rental already includes the maintenance fee and you still have big surplus.

A condo is not like Landed Properties, so Lease Hold or Free Hold doesn't matter much, the older the condo, the lower it's value, because unlike Houses, Highrise won't last forever and will sooner later be demolished to make way for new buildings.

So assume you get to stay in your condo for 60 years, that is rm500k+rm320k Interest investment for just 60 years. That might allow you to stay in the condo for your lifetime or maybe not enough. A simplified version would be you'll be spending rm13k a year for 60 years. Once the highrise reaches it's age, it has little value left, most likely you'll have difficulty selling it off 40 years old units, so you can either continue stay in it or rent it out for the rest of it's shelf life.

So assuming you are buying for own stay, it really is not much different from renting, it's actually cheaper to rent than buy, and less trouble some as when you own the property you have to pay for all the fixes everything you have to settle on your own.

Down side on renting is you have to look face of the owner, if lucky get good owner good unit then it's great, old units chances are the owners won't be able to sell it off even if he wants to, so he have to continue rent, sure rental goes up every year but it would still be cheaper than buying.

Advantage of renting is you have the freedom to move around, any problem just let owner settle, your risk is your potentially losing your deposits but even those amount are still cheaper than Owning. At the end of the day, you just do your part as a good tenant and wipe ur pants when you leave.

Note we are talking about rm500k condos which are considered average, there are many rm700k-1mil condos out there, sure they look good, feels good, but remember you'll be paying for maintenance fees on top of your loans, by the time you finish your loans, you are still paying the fees. and do the math, after 60 years, how much would you have paid for maintenance fee (rm200 x 12 x 60 =rm140k), high end condos easily cost rm500 per month.

Landed properties, even Lease Hold, at least you know the house should still be standing after 80 years, and there is still a chance you can renew your titles at a small fee. Condos, even Free Hold, pretty much worth nothing, ok maybe you get small amount of reimbursement but is nothing compared to the loans you paid for it.

Note this is for own stay and if you can only afford 1 property. Of course if later you dug goldmine buy a house you can rent or sell the condo, that is if you actually dug gold & can afford a 2nd house.

If you can't afford to pay your rents on time, you can't afford to own a property.

For short selling & rental, it might be possible to make profit, but depends heavily on location. For self stay, i say if you can't afford a landed property, better just rent.

Anyway #YOLO, if you really want to own a home, just buy 1. But hey at least i told you so.

inb4 #Rent4Life.
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In our endless pursuit for achieveing "developed" country status.

We will lose:

1) affordability to buy house
2) affordability to Marry
3) affordability to have kids
4) affordability to retire
5) ultimately, affordability to even own anything.

Remember this well kids, malaysia will become like singapore, japan, south korea, hong kong, where living expenses rise and nobody can afford a single speck of land.

And in the future? Nobody will ever own anything, everything is leased by private companies.
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post May 31 2017, 08:08 AM

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post May 31 2017, 08:12 AM

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QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ May 31 2017, 08:03 AM)
I don't think that's the case. Clearly he is an investor, wanting people to rent his unit, pay for his installments & giving him profits, instead of buying their own home.
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Imma agree with this.

/k most basic n fundamental concept on properties: BBBUUU is and will always be applicable in msia
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post May 31 2017, 08:13 AM

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One only need to ask one question: WHY is ts saying all this? then you can see lor..
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post May 31 2017, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ May 31 2017, 08:06 AM)
In our endless pursuit for achieveing "developed" country status.

We will lose:

1) affordability to buy house
2) affordability to Marry
3) affordability to have kids
4) affordability to retire
5) ultimately, affordability to even own anything.

Remember this well kids, malaysia will become like singapore, japan, south korea, hong kong, where living expenses rise and nobody can afford a single speck of land.

And in the future? Nobody will ever own anything, everything is leased by private companies.
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the person who own the land is his/her father name use to name the road / project
Pete the great
post May 31 2017, 08:33 AM

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Whether ts like it or not...condo is gonna be the dominant landscape in klang valley...because lack of land for freehold houses.

I believe its only exterior....if one can repaint whole building...condo looks as good as new. Concrete last longer than 60 yrs....dude.
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ May 31 2017, 08:06 AM)
In our endless pursuit for achieveing "developed" country status.

We will lose:

1) affordability to buy house
2) affordability to Marry
3) affordability to have kids
4) affordability to retire
5) ultimately, affordability to even own anything.

Remember this well kids, malaysia will become like singapore, japan, south korea, hong kong, where living expenses rise and nobody can afford a single speck of land.

And in the future? Nobody will ever own anything, everything is leased by private companies.
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Depends on govt policy... u see the current govt policy seem to aim for high cost....i dunno why....free mkt for property...lack of affordable housing not everybody gets prima1 house....gst....exvise duties...free falling exchange rate n cut on govt hospital n fuel subsidy.

Had it happen in mamakthir time die die he maintain these sibsidies.

Actually it is the rating agency like moody...std n poor n firtch r the true syaitan...they now monitor debt rating n watch budget deficit of nations....they r policing nations to prevent us from wanting cheap housing affordability. These rating agencues are now even targetimg australia budget deficit n tripple A status.

Its usa n its minions using rating agencies wanna turn asia inyo another hong kong.

So for msia to want access to cheaper funds we gotta cut subsody. Rating agency people r evil.
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If you want to buy landed property like double storey linked house in KL, it may easily costs you RM750k to RM1m.
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post May 31 2017, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ May 31 2017, 08:03 AM)
I don't think that's the case. Clearly he is an investor, wanting people to rent his unit, pay for his installments & giving him profits, instead of buying their own home.
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I wouldn't give him too much credit if I were you
The truth is he is really just as stupid as he sounds

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post May 31 2017, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(Pete the great @ May 31 2017, 08:41 AM)
Actually it is the rating agency like moody...std n poor n firtch r the true syaitan...they now monitor debt rating n watch budget deficit of nations....they r policing nations to prevent us from wanting cheap housing affordability. These rating agencues are now even targetimg australia budget deficit n tripple A status.
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In finance and general economy, it's the rating agencies, yes. In property, the equivalent of them are the valuers. Valuers hold the ultimate control.

Whether the real estate market will go way beyond the public affordability or not, is up to the valuers. Second, is the buyers, the herd mentality.

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