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notoriousfiq
post May 31 2017, 07:55 AM

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so many investors ITT.. what happen to property talk?
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post May 31 2017, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ May 31 2017, 08:00 AM)
Problem is, he can't afford house. See people buy then sudah jeles and triggered
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I don't think that's the case. Clearly he is an investor, wanting people to rent his unit, pay for his installments & giving him profits, instead of buying their own home.
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post May 31 2017, 08:13 AM

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One only need to ask one question: WHY is ts saying all this? then you can see lor..
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post May 31 2017, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(Pete the great @ May 31 2017, 08:41 AM)
Actually it is the rating agency like moody...std n poor n firtch r the true syaitan...they now monitor debt rating n watch budget deficit of nations....they r policing nations to prevent us from wanting cheap housing affordability. These rating agencues are now even targetimg australia budget deficit n tripple A status.
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In finance and general economy, it's the rating agencies, yes. In property, the equivalent of them are the valuers. Valuers hold the ultimate control.

Whether the real estate market will go way beyond the public affordability or not, is up to the valuers. Second, is the buyers, the herd mentality.
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post May 31 2017, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ May 31 2017, 08:47 AM)
I wouldn't give him too much credit
The truth is he is just as stupid as he sounds
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You can see some people agree with him ITT. He's saying what investors want to be said. From the non-investors' POV, yes, it's all garbage.
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post May 31 2017, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ May 31 2017, 09:10 AM)
There's a flaw though... if you pay your monthly installment after 30 years you will most likely lose rm330k like what you've calculated but in return you have something at least..

For renting.. after 30 years. You wouldn't get anything at all. Let's not talk about the inflation and the rise of the rental after a couple of years. by just having a monthly rental of RM1500, you do realize in 30 years time it will be RM540k right?
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EXACTLY.

QUOTE(Toyoi @ May 31 2017, 09:17 AM)
i dont know why u got so many stars...

its quite misleading that many stars = higher IQ
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LYN should get rid of this "star" shit.
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post May 31 2017, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(+3kk! @ May 31 2017, 09:18 AM)
theres an issue with folks understanding both, the rental market is mobile and its also one where the cost is lower than purchase. people often mistaken that you are paying the other persons instalment to be equal to paying their own, the other person bought the unit long ago and the instalment is often much lower than what you would pay, if you bought new.

the savings from there, and from the legal fees, general in house maintenance and what not can be placed in better assets, personal business, shares, and what not.

the argument of at the end of the day you have something from purchasing a house is quite inaccurate, while its yours in name, it carries no value, cause you cant do anything to it.

its a common mistake i see people do, they buy house with every last penny they have, then when old suddenly they realise they cant sell the house
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So you're saying the rent may actually be higher than the installments. That's very possible, yes.

How can it carry no value? Can't be done anything to? House appreciate. Can be sold. How's that inaccurate?

Why can't they sell it when they're old? That's what all these investors do.
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post May 31 2017, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(memekfalui @ May 31 2017, 09:25 AM)
Who the efff buy condo for own stay???

All new high-rise project goreng group buy style by the notorious BBB and UUU gang

Whats left is bumi lot and expensive units

Genuine buyer can't even place booking on high rise project
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I've read a study, that that's one of the main reasons why the govt maintain bumi lot concept in property industry. Traditionally, you don't find bumi investors often, they buy a house because of need, not greed, so they're not the type who would queue in sales gallery at 3am.
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post May 31 2017, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(doremon @ May 31 2017, 09:34 AM)
Yah. Main target all corner lot and end lot with land.
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Hey, don't shoot the messenger. biggrin.gif
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post May 31 2017, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(+3kk! @ May 31 2017, 09:36 AM)
rent to be lower, our msian rental market is actually quite bad despite what people likes to say, the rent appreciation has been abysmal and the returns are worse than FD in most cases.

well, when you sell it, where you going to stay?

keep in mind that when your house appreciates, so do others, so say if you have a 1m house that appreciated 100% from 500k, the general market would also be at that price.
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Shouldn't people stop doing it if its abysmal?

They can stay where they have stayed all this while, or at their other property. Many investors nowadays have more than 2 props.

Yes, the whole market appreciate, but there will always be buyers, no? There will always be new young investors wanting it.
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post May 31 2017, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(doremon @ May 31 2017, 09:39 AM)
No Bro. Really happen lah. 12am hire a small team to camping outside launching developer area. All this people target end lot with land and corner lot to make fast bucks. The only way to avoid pening2 is to get semi-D outside Kl and Selangor huhuhu
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That's what I'm saying. Non-investors don't do this.

QUOTE(memekfalui @ May 31 2017, 09:41 AM)
No demand for bumi lot = no investment into bumi lot

Economy 101
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That's the point. Bumi lot is there as an "opposite" of investment. It's for own stay, as what all units should be.
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post May 31 2017, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(+3kk! @ May 31 2017, 09:53 AM)
well, when was the last time you heard anyone keep track of their daily finances and cost?

even if they have 2, you cant put value on the one that you intend to stay in. so while you can sell off one, the last one that you are in, cannot be moved.

well there will always be buyers, but when you sell off the last property you have, you still have to find a place to stay no?
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To have a house to stay in, that's a value. Especially when all this while it's installment have been partially paid by renters. That's a big value. Compared to someone who doesn't have it (because they were renting) and then have to get a one.

To say it's no value is inaccurate.
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QUOTE(memekfalui @ May 31 2017, 09:57 AM)
Legit home buyer prefer new developer unit with freebies

Those investor with low holding power might let go their unit to genuine buyer at minimum profit if not loss
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Anyone would go for dev units if its still available, even late investors. But most of the time they're not -- all snapped up. It's called oligopolistic capitalism.
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post May 31 2017, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(taiko8148 @ May 31 2017, 09:58 AM)
Please lah, i never vote & not intend to vote in future...
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Then, indeed, you are helping BN to win.
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ May 31 2017, 10:25 AM)
your own place, how you rent out leh.

my value is alawys in numbers, the whole argument of emotional value doesnt really matter to me
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You don't rent out your own place lah.. haiyoo.. doh.gif

To have a house is number. What "emotional"? Your house is an asset. You know this. Why can't you comprehend this? Compare you having a house and someone homeless. You say that's the same value? Zero value? I dont know what to say to you bro..
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ May 31 2017, 10:35 AM)
already said the last unit you stay in la....

duno why you keep thinking its about the extra unit at the side.

not buying a house can rent la, doesnt mean you are homeless
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When I said extra unit, I mention "more than 2", didn't I? Stay at one, sell others.

Rent means cash out flow. Stay at own, no cash out flow. There's your NUMBER. So hard?
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QUOTE(advocado @ May 31 2017, 10:41 AM)
read the Topic Title 1st before posting.

thx.
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It's a reply to our conversation, thx
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QUOTE(advocado @ May 31 2017, 10:46 AM)
he wasn't even talking about owning multiple properties in the discussion. he said he owns multiple, but he's discussing about those owning only 1 unit for own stay.

learn to read bro, for your own sake, not ours.
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I was the one mentioning multiple properties. I didn't say he said it. And my words afterwards was based on that. You should learn to read too, bro.
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ May 31 2017, 10:49 AM)
my point was always about the one unit,  you quoted me talking about 2, so what you going on about?
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Okay, let's say one unit. All my other points still stand. Your unit is not zero value as you said. That was the main point. Counter-argue with that if you can.
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QUOTE(allanlee89 @ May 31 2017, 10:40 AM)
like this their children will be buying million ringgit jiao lang (bird cage), some /k here greed till can't think properly, always think malaysia is like HK, c'mon common sense la.
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It's quite clear that they don't think about the general future generation. It's a selfish act, for themselves and their own kids only.

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