Been using 150cc but honestly feel it is way under power than i expected..

Is the gap between 250cc to 150cc alot? I dont really need that fast speed but 150cc is not a good idea since 150cc can go only around 100-120 km/h.. can go a little bit faster but i think it will be quite vibrating..

I think i need around 140-160 km/h not all the time but n the bike is not exhausted (i dont really know how to describe it but i think u guys know what i mean)..

Disnt really test 250cc but i tested 650cc since my friend is using naza blade 650cc.. the bike is much heavier but the throttle is more macho.. hahahaha

Since the price of naza blade 650cc is around 10-12k second hand with fule injection not carb.. i think it's a good deal..

chances you die is more on 650cc

The answer to your question is: Kawasaki RR150 Super Kips

Top up abit get R1, s1000rr

travel far or not? if only go to work, just use 250. maintenance and fuel consumption is lower than 650.

if use for weekend bike, go for 1000

This post has been edited by yoyoi: May 24 2017, 10:06 AM

naza no good.. better buy other brand..

yes. (kawi ninja) 250cc does 140-160km/p more comfortably.

This, topup a bit more can get HP4 or superleggera

comfort meh? my kawa 250 a bit struggle to maintain 140-160. maybe because i gemuk. hahaha

Single Cylinder = more vibration, less comfy, not much low end power
Dual Cylinder = less vibration, more comfy, more low end power
3 Cylinders and above = more awesome

Bodo.

Cb500x. 30k according mudah.

4 pots, jizzed in your pant.

chance of you dying higher the number.

hahahha

my kawi ninja 250 (2008 carb) runs well abt 140-160km/h.

may be u need to service it or tune it.

other tuned up 250R can do 160-180km/h i have seen.

true. So far 150cc single cylinder only managed to massage my balls only

no aircond , no comfort seat, no roof comfort?

Why not ducati monster 696 for 26k?

S1000rr and r1 top up abit.. :'(
Macam top up maxis

the only pro n cons ....

how deep is your pocket

Might as well top up a bit more to get H2.

I need vibration from HD to feel it.

Bigger bike, maintenance like car... Or mistress.

Now you feel that 100-120kmh is not enough, later use 250cc u feel 140-160 is not enough. The question is how much will actually be enough? Nafsu is indeed a bottomless pit!

No replacement for displacement

maintenance of 250 and 650 (all kawa) almost similar in terms of RM..might as well go for 650 direct..

Intra city? get 250 or below. Inter city, 600 is ok. The only thing you need is money for buying one and maintenance.

poi~

u gemuk haha. i know because i also gemuk

but TS, instead of getting naza blade 650, better you top up abit more to 16k to buy kawasaki er6f second hand or er6n if you want a naked bike.

i myself ride a ninja 250, it's enough for daily commuting, as i don't speed and always follow speed limit. so far i only achieved 180 on that bike (ran out of straights) but 150 is no problem.

but the problem with riding a ninja 250 vs a kapchai is, you tapao or buy anything also need to bring along a backpack

Is 250cc like "alang - alang"?

well...most of them not realized that

insurance not same as kapchai
engine oil not same as kapchai
tyre not same as kapchai
elecronics not same as kapchai
accessories not same as kapchai

after bought big bike only search for all those stuff and trying to get the cheapest one lol

1000cc je la terus...

Hahahahahaha..

Always the problem thooooo..

Dabao anything, especially mcdonald.. they only give paper bag instead of plastic bag that we can hang..

ninja250 here. work use only. best for speed and fantastic enough to do lane splitting. go higher cc if u want power & blood rush to head, be safe on bike, never go offensive mode on public road.

your license?
if b2 only please consider getting b full before upgrading your bike

there is a big gap between 250cc and 650cc... if you are planning to run constant on 140-160kmh. I suggest you get the 650cc as the engine can put out sufficient power without being over stressed. Running a 250cc at that speed is pushing it too much already.

ts use scooter aje lol

From the many experienced owners of naza bikes, they seem to agree with something in common : STAY AWAY FROM NAZA BIKES!

Riding 160kmh for long durations, no matter how 'comfortable' is very dangerous. But death comes quickly.

Personally I ride a 650cc cruiser (kawasaki vulcan s) and will not go 160kmh for more than a few seconds. And yes, way better power (more importantly, torque which gets you out of trouble quickly), than a 150cc or even a 250cc.

ok, here's my point as a rider who have owned 150, 250 & 650.

If you have the budget, go for 650. skip the 250. No replacement for displacement.

Skip the Blade. go for an er6n/f. no doubt torque is not as good as blade but in terms of maintenance and parts longevity, japanese DEFINITELY outlasts korean. plus er6n/f bersepah on the road, so parts availability is not an issue, and also priced reasonably cheap. also Blade 650 is relatively heavy and a chore to maneuver in city traffic. although one can get used to it after some riding time, but still having a slimmer/lighter bike (comparatively) from the onset is better.

as to why skip 250, i say it because the ownership and running cost is about the same, and you lose out on the available power. you want to cruise 140 comfortably without stressing the engine, 650 it is. on a 250 you'd be running close to red line.

Safety first but i think you guys know right.. sometimes when we want to overtake with 150cc is like you want to poop but it stucks..

Not for racing but for daily use..
150 is good enough i think but you can only do it in your dream with 150cc to reach 150km/h

Maintenance for 250cc, is it the same with 650cc?
Like naza blade 650cc the oil engine is around 3.2L..

250cc need that much of amount too? If yes.. better straight to 650cc?

140-160 km/h will be confy on 650cc right? (Based on logic)..

250 and 650 cc riders comment pls.. hahahaa

straight go 500-600CC.
250CC is like L license. beginner bike, not fast nor fun. Maintenance cost about the same with higher CC bikes.

150cc up to 100-120 kmh oni. TS must be fat.

aku pakai 125ZR can speed up to 140-160. tukar ja jamba. modify ja.

150cc
250cc
650cc
800cc
1000cc

any cc, u speed, u crash, u die. u only choose to die poorly or die in style.

me? i dont ride bike. dont ask me. hahahaha

Ikat kat slider je

This post has been edited by mz2020: May 24 2017, 10:42 AM

I am 80-90kg height around 170.. normally i ride my girl at the back to fetch her work also.. her weight is around 50kg..

So normally 80-100km/h..

I am fat overweight.. hahaha

Ride follow the speed limit lah bloody hells.

Ride so fast go where ?

125zr go for 140km/h memang power..

straight 650, sebelum ni aku bawak skuter ego. tp insurans/roadtax sakit

apa ni semua cakap CC itu CC ini, doesnt mean a 250cc cant win a 650cc and doesnt mean a 600cc cant dapao 1000cc la dei

what u need is supersport
high RPM easier to ride, their low torque is very forgiving, wait till u go above 12k rpm shiok siut!!

R6 > z1000

supersport > Naked and sportbike

ni moto zaman sekolah la.

dia tanya bukan sebab nak racing la pandai...

main terjah je ko ni...

Buy used CBR500R

Since we are on bbikes here. KTM super Duke 1290...any owners here? I this consider this bike for my next upgrade. This bike ok or not

bicycle can't reach 40km/h don't jelly

Ramai org marah pasal speed ni..

Kena kutuk gao gao..

I think ride 120 is considered as safe riding on normal high way..

Ride 60-80 km/h asik kena horn je..

Ride 60-80 km/h kena kutuk jugak..

Naek bus je lah.. hahahahahaha

Get a car protect you from sun and rain

this. tire price might be the same price but others not so much. later u need to change exhaust etc then will be more costly.

just for TS note, tire price range will usually be 300 above per donut.

i ride super fast only on highway and there minimal traffic or none at all

so that if i crash, i hope dont involve others directly

normal roads i ride like uncle

I changed Naza Blade 4x times edi.. 2x 250 2x 650
I would say go for the 650.. because the weight of bike is almost the same so you will have less power on the 250

Value for money bike i would say, enough power for everyday commute, even for weekend fun

None of my 4 bikes had any problem, never need to leave in workshop whatsoever

ada satu mat saleh kat kelantan ada, since then tak nampak

Based on my past ownership of ZZR250 and Versys650, yea almost same.

Engine oil - 2 botol for both
Oil filter RM30 for 250 RM50 for 650
Petrol 1 tankful about rm26 (given same fuel price) gives me same mileage of 300km, mixed city and hiway riding.
O-ring Chain & sprocket set same for both about rm300+
Tyres 1 set - about RM800 for my 250 and close to rm1k for the 650
basically that's where the similarity in terms of upkeep and running.
it is no brainer for me to pay the same running cost but doesnt get the same enjoyment. so i chose to upgrade.

roadtax is RM50 for 250 and RM250 for 650

power wise 250 is a high revving engine, gotta really throttle it to enjoy the speed - just like kapchais. stock standard condition - u wana go 120 on meter the rpm is already 8k, redline at 12k. u get about 160 tops, 170 maybe in rare occasion. On the 650 going 120 engine rpm only 6k+. squeeze it up to 9k, u get 160 on meter. redline at 11k and u get about 180... on the Er6 where the tuning is slightly different, u can touch 200 at 12k... u run the engine (both 250 & 650) at high rpm for long term, wear and tear is faster - eventually u need to do valve clearance and top overhaul much sooner. so might as well get a bigger one and running the engine un-stressed at 120-140 so u can ride it long term without much issue.

plus, bigger engine can carry load better than a small engine could and at the same time relatively economical. just an example, back then in 2009 when i was riding to Betong with a friend, both of us carry pillion. he is fatter and heavier than me. i ride zzr 250 while he rides a zx9r. we both fillup full tank in Rawang and rides at the same speed of 120kmh together. when we reach tapah, i have to fillup RM15 for full tank, and he only needs to fillup RM9. simply because for his engine, he is riding at mid-low rpm while i am riding at 8.5k (considered high) rpm.

but then again, for work commute and if your gaji ciput like me, 150cc below is the perfect bike in terms of running and maintenance. everything is cheaper by a large margin compared to 250cc and up, just that on the speed department need to adjust expectations lah. 150cc can run 110-120 but again at high rpm. keep it 80-100 then basically it will be trouble free and safer to boot.

naik basikal kalau eksiden pun mati jugak

RIP nicky hayden. bawak moto GP 320kmh crash tak mati, naik basikal 32kmh crash mati.

with the budget of 12k a nazablade 650CC Fi is a steal...but needed to compromise on status and people expectation

blade 650
vibrate alot because of the vtwin setup but the sweet spot 5k rpm onwards
weight? it felt heavy if stationary but once it moves..i can safely say its nimble to ride around town...
exhausted? no...riding position is good...ergonomic

issues?
no serius issue because the engine is originally from suzuki SV 650...the common problem is the 2nd cylinder head located under ur seat easily get konged because of not so efficient oil cooled+air cooled vtwin engine it has...

i will topup about circa 15k and getting ER6/Versys 650 older gen...proven to be good bike

single cylinder more low end torque therefore more rideable and low speed more suitable for slow traffic speed
twin cylinder requires more rev to achieve same power as single cyl produce
example Z250SL(single) vs Z250 (twin cylinder)

This kind of comment is the one i have been waiting for.. thanks alot buddy..

Straight to 650cc will be a wise choice right.. yes pls.. hahahaha

Yes,

When we talk about 250 vs 650 (assuming both inline twin) definitely go for 650 since you only need to pay very slightly more in terms of upkeep and running.

careful if wanna buy older versys, my friend bought one and the engine got problem...seems its a common prob for older version of versys...

Xj6 je la - 600cc 4 piston - superb sound

Last time i need to choose 250cc or bigger. My friend told me to get bigger cc. I follow his advise and indeed its a good decision.

question: AES camera will catch overspeed motorbike onot?

Maintenance for 250cc, is it the same with 650cc

unless they're going at mach1 then yes aes will snap photo of mostly superbike with unreadable small font plate number

Fast track to 'Nirvana'

Defensive riding I do too.

Agree Similar experience.

B full?

they do

650 pro
more powah
sound mo gooding
can pretend u were motogp rider



650cons
bfull license
roadtax price
insurance price
tyre price
chain price



250 pro
normal b2 license enuf
more power than 150
good fc
roadtax not expensive (to 650)
insurance also not expensive (to 650)
cheaper tyre than 650
cheaper chain than 650

250 cons
read 650 pro

150cc only 100 - 120kmh?

duh people using 125 can reach 140 easily

650 a bit hard to cilok sometimes in kl traffic.
250 no prob.

Go get 500cc. Its the perfect bike for someone who doesnt really want a super fast bike or super sloe bike. Cruising at 120km to 140km on the highway is the perfect spot. Just nice. Or just get a two cylinder naked bike.

no issue lah. when i first bought my Versys i rode it to work every day for 6 months. my opis is in KL Golden Triangle.

If TZM depan can lepas, my versys also definitely can lepas. so if versys can, er6 lagi la tak payah cerita.

p.s. in the end change back to kapchai because FC save half.

this applies to all 600cc below bike or just this model?
oil filter price i think u get from outside not from service center, right?

This post has been edited by arthur88: May 24 2017, 01:09 PM

damn read the bike manual la how many litre needed.. what's so hard..:

if change oil filter together, plus 300ml normally.

This post has been edited by ciwi1166: May 24 2017, 01:15 PM

Motogp crash is in a controlled andenvironmand full safety gears.

On the street it is not

That's the thing

All treat the public Rd as a playground. Bloody idiots

Want to play a fool, want to speed, do it at the race track pls.

guys..wanna ask all of you..i think i wanna buy yamaha mt 07 because my home and work is around 25okm

im only going back home around 1 week or 2 week..my work dont need me to travel as i stay only inside my work place..all my friend suggest me get a car..

as right now wife stay at home..only me ride the bike..what do you think

Any one have this concern, I will advise not to get a big bike yet. You are not there yet.

if i were u, definitely will ride a bike.

unless my roads to work is jam & toll free.

itu meter die
try gps tgk

250cc

Tyres now got cheap alternative from pirelli and michelin.

Designed for 250cc bikes.

Rm500~ for both tyres

If you use 650cc tyre will be at least 50% more expensive

Btw,
I ride naza blade 250cc usually ride at 100kmh only because i gemuk. Haha.

you want to cruise at 140kmh comfortably then get the 650cc one.
but come on man even cruising 140kmh in a car already very dangerous.

i ride 250cc pon 140kmh feels not fast enough.

imagine riding bigger cc bike.

RIP Simoncelli

Pirelli ngel city. prepare RM600+ for 1 set. Pretty gooding also

btw, unker also gemuk. cruising at 100kmh only

Its never fast enough.

Only when you taste asphalt at 160kmh then you know . My asphalt tasting is only at 70kmh with full protection, so only sight bruise and dislocated ankle. Remember people, oil slick is dangerous.

poi~

just this model i am referring to - Versys/er6n/f because this is what i experienced.

manual states 1.7litre for just oil change and 1.9litre inclusive of Oil filter change.

However here in msia most ppl would use about 2.3 -2.6 litre depending on their mechanic's recommendation to avoid "valve problem"

what i did was - at shop 2 litres. i have an extra bottle keep at home to topup if not enuf. regularly check oil levels and if got kurang mah kasi topup lor, tak susah.

Oil filter outside price range from RM40-RM50. if shop/service centre they usually charge official RRP which is RM55.

if got kawan who can do or sendiri DIY, u then u can save abit by buying outside... as long as got place for you to properly throw away the old oil la.

alternatively u just find a very kamcheng shop and let them earn abit to build relationship.

250cc =140kmh
650cc = 140 X 260% = 364kmh

true, it is never enuf. key is knowing your own skills and limits and ride within that boundary.
just because someone else can handle 250kmh doesnt mean you can too.

topup a bit more to your topup can get an H2R already.

even you have the skills please dun risk your life and life of others.
Mike Doohan and Valentino Rossi have the skills yet they have tasted asphalt many, many times.
your luck can only last for so long....

get a kapcai then a car, or skip a kapcai terus get a car then only a bike. bro, you can only carry so much with a bike.

when i drive 140km/h is my minimum speed, but when i ride 110 is my maximum speed lol.

so expensive? cut throat price. the shop near my place quotes me RM530 for front and rear

sand is dangerous too, i tasted the asphalt at 15km/h my first crash lol road rash on my calf because was wearing slacks but luckily wore gloves and jacket, and helmet of course.

Bang mind if i ask u why do u have 4 bikes with the same cc?

I have read some of ur comments on other post also..very humble and informative.. so basically 250 and 650 weight r around the same? Means it will be very underpower for the 250 class..btw during jam is it gonna be heavy? Bcoz my friend's naza is very heavy.. he rides 650, i tested and it is totally different feeling from my 150cc weight.. hahahha..
My 150cc i think it's heavy but i still can even dance lifting it left and right.. but 650 i read it is around200kg..

Thanks