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post Jul 2 2018, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Netto Hikari @ Jul 2 2018, 01:57 AM)
wanted to check, cyberjaya is under which church jurisdiction?
also for a new home blessing, which parish church should i approach? im currently staying in puchong, going to move to cyberjaya in the near future.
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Not sure under which parish jurisdiction but nearest would be St Anne's Chapel in UPM and Guadalupe Puchong. Make an appointment with your pastor.
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post Jul 5 2018, 03:45 PM

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Science, Technology, and God

One of the two major reasons that people become atheists is that secondary causality is, so they think, sufficient to explain all that exists without any reference to God. This and the existence of evil are the two objections to God’s existence that Saint Thomas posits and replies to in his Summa Theologiae.

It is the error clung to with tenacity by the post-Enlightenment votary of scientism, empiricism, or positivism, those errors which embrace the scientific method and empirical proofs as the only sure norm for human certitude. While not every empiricist is an atheist, many of them are. Others are agnostics or simply indifferent to God and religion because they are so preoccupied by the creature that they fail to elevate their mind to the Creator — and that, even when creation itself testifies to Him, as Saint Paul ironically puts it: “For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable” (Rom. 1:20).

Science. In the daily lexicon of the contemporary denizen of former Christendom, the word itself has come to mean exclusively the empirical sciences. If its object is not made of matter, and if it does not study that matter prescinding from origins and ultimate purposes, it is not a science. This is one of the many fashionable bigotries of our day. But it was not always so, for the natural sciences did not formerly exhaust the notion of science. A science, from the Latin word scientia (“knowledge,” from scire, “to know,” as in, to know facts), is an ordered body of knowledge. For Aristotle, science is “a sure and evident knowledge obtained from demonstrations”; for Saint Thomas, it is “the knowledge of things from their causes” (Catholic Encyclopedia). By these definitions, theology, which is also called “the Science of Faith,” is most certainly a true science, as is its handmaid, philosophy.

The empirical sciences have advanced to an impressive level. Nobody can reasonably argue against that fact. There is much that men now know about the created universe, and there are many ways that we can technologically manipulate creation in order to produce marvelous results (marvelous, even if not all good, as in, e.g., being able to blow entire continents off the map by splitting the atom very skillfully).

Just as the profiteering, technocratic “military industrial complex” has done much harm to our nation’s prosperity and the world’s prospects of peace, many scientific and technological advances have brought with them similar dangers — to human life, to public morals, to genuine civilization and culture.

In general, we have become highly advanced barbarians.

That last concept might seem oxymoronic to some reading these lines, but consider: If the words “highly advanced” exclusively imply advances in the empirical sciences and the technologies that these sciences make possible, then we are indeed highly advanced. Barbarism connotes a lack of civilization, which itself embraces much more than science and technology; civilization includes art and architecture, taste and manners, a well regulated legal system that maintains high standards of justice, altruism and the will to sacrifice for the common good, love of virtue and strong social bonds based upon the common pursuit of what is truly good. Those social bonds, of course, begin with the family, a divine institution that our civilization is busy deconstructing at the moment.

We Americans tend to measure civilization mostly by technological metrics. This is no doubt an inheritance from the English Protestant industrial capitalist outlook on the word. If we were to behold a nation that had a less advanced power grid than our own, fewer cars per capita, and a sparse network of highways, but instead had intense religious devotion among its populace, a replacement level birth rate, a healthy traditional diet sourced from family-owned farms, skilled craftsmen making quality goods purchased by their neighbors, leisurely activities like good poetry, literature, and music, and crowded taverns serving locally made brews, vintages, or spirits, we would look down on that nation as inferior. No broadband Internet and frequent power outages in the more remote districts would make most of us conclude that these people are comparatively “uncivilized,” as would the fact that the entertainment was mostly self-made or comprised of live local talent — not five-hundred channels of cable idiocy plus Netflix.

Yet such a people would be more civilized than most modern Americans.

That’s what I mean when I say that we have become civilized barbarians. Our profusion of blue-tooth devices and our massive nuclear arsenal do not and cannot supplement for our genuine cultural impoverishment. And as for our moral impoverishment, that makes our advanced technology all the more dangerous.

Anticipating objections to these thoughts, let me plainly stat that I am no Luddite, as I am obviously using advanced technology to transmit these very thoughts to my readers. This is all a question of proportionality, as well as of intention, i.e., the all-important matter of purpose. The Middle Ages were times of great technological advancement — really! But there was an accompanying sense of proportion, and technology was not a fetish for the denizens of Medieval Christendom. Moreover, it was the Gospel and not mere technological progress as such that gave men their ideals. Modern materialism and secularism have changed all that.

Poor Ireland was long made to feel inferior to the rest of the Anglosphere, especially its British neighbors. After decades of gradually jettisoning its Catholic identity, it was made materially prosperous and more “advanced” in recent times, especially by the Celtic Tiger, but it has also gradually become barbaric because, among other things, barbarous sodomy, barbarous onanism, and barbarous infanticide are now welcomed as “progress” in the Emerald Isle. Soon the sons and daughters of Saint Patrick will be reaping hefty doses of the social ills that come in the wake of these sins that cry to heaven for vengeance. And if the social ills are not enough, there are the eschatological downsides.

Returning again to the subject I began with, I shall quote from Brother Francis’ Challenge of Faith regarding certain advantages, limits, and ideological dangers attached to the empirical sciences. The following words, with which I will close these lines, exemplify the contemplative approach Brother took to all questions of major moment:

All things contribute to the glory of God, even science, the marvel of the modern age.
When we contemplate what scientists have done and are doing, we gaze at an astounding aspect of God’s most wonderful creature, and we praise God. Yet so many scientists do not contemplate and do not praise.
Certainly the very reality of the sciences and the inventions of science are a striking testimony of the mastery of mind over matter, and an emphatic assertion of the reality of the spiritual; yet so many scientists use their most spiritual power (their intellect) to deny the reality of the spiritual.
It is the tragedy of the modern age that scientists on the whole have not been as grateful to their Creator as they might have been. The coldness of this generation is at least partly due to that.
By their very method and approach, most scientists commit themselves to a restricted view of the material aspect of things, to a utilitarian approach which stifles the contemplative interest.
How could the scientists decide for or against the revealed account of creation? Creation involves a free act of an omnipotent power. By the nature of the case, [the act of] creation is not a phenomenon that can be controlled, measured, or repeated. The scientists must assume (as scientists) that things always happened in the manner of the phenomena before their eyes.
God uses miracles in order to authenticate the supernatural order, and intelligent but simple men have always learned the lesson intended by miracles. But the scientist can only relegate miracles to the class of things “we do not yet understand.”
Human intelligence has always, and almost unanimously, concluded to the existence of God, from the consideration of the universe which we all experience in common. Some reach this conclusion simply and swiftly in the manner of a child, and some methodically and cautiously in the manner of the philosopher.
Holy Scripture teaches us that man is reprehensible when he cannot reach even without the assistance of divine revelation a knowledge of God, of “His eternal power and divinity” (Rom. 1:20).
The Christian missionary is not sent to preach the existence of God. He should be able to take that for granted. The apostle is to bring the good news of God-become-man, and the consequences of that great event upon our human destiny.
But the scientist, chained to his ideology and to his method, can be, and often is, indefinitely distracted from ever finding God. In place of the primacy of the First Cause he can be lost in an infinity of secondary causes, and instead of reaching the fullness of Eternal Being he is left with the emptiness of an indefinitely long duration of time.

In the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
Brother André Marie, M.I.C.M.
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post Jul 5 2018, 06:25 PM

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Matthew 19:14 (NRSV CE)

but Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not stop them; for it is to such as these that the kingdom of heaven belongs.

Matthew 28:19-20 (NRSV CE)

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”


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post Jul 7 2018, 12:26 PM

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Question : How does one love God ?

Answer : "Love the Lord your God, with all your heart ❤️, with all your mind, with all your soul and with all your strength 💪. This is the greatest and the most important commandment." ~ Jesus Christ
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post Jul 9 2018, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jul 7 2018, 12:26 PM)
Question : How does one love God ?

Answer : "Love the Lord your God, with all your heart ❤️, with all your mind, with all your soul and with all your strength 💪. This is the greatest and the most important commandment." ~ Jesus Christ
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The Gift of Love

1 Corinthians 13:1-13 (NRSVCE)

If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels, but do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give away all my possessions, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast,but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end. For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part; but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known. And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love.

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post Jul 10 2018, 06:12 AM

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QUOTE(khool @ Jul 9 2018, 12:36 PM)
The Gift of Love

1 Corinthians 13:1-13 (NRSVCE)

If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels, but do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give away all my possessions, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast,but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end. For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part; but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known. And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love.

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That was indeed nice, Khool, although the definition of love was expanded, it still cannot match the breadth and depth of the Greatest Commandment.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jul 10 2018, 06:12 AM)
That was indeed nice, Khool, although the definition of love was expanded, it still cannot match the breadth and depth of the Greatest Commandment.
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who can match God? GBU! biggrin.gif


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1Unto the end, a psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came to him after he had sinned with Bethsabee. Have mercy on me, O God, according to thy great mercy. And according to the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my iniquity.

2Wash me yet more from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.

3For I know my iniquity, and my sin is always before me.

4To thee only have I sinned, and have done evil before thee: that thou mayst be justified in thy words and mayst overcome when thou art judged.

5For behold I was conceived in iniquities; and in sins did my mother conceive me.

- The Word of God against the false teachers on the other thread. Ps 51 from the Septuagint (Ps 50 in the Hebrew Bible)
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jul 11 2018, 11:09 AM)
1Unto the end, a psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came to him after he had sinned with Bethsabee. Have mercy on me, O God, according to thy great mercy. And according to the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my iniquity.

2Wash me yet more from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.

3For I know my iniquity, and my sin is always before me.

4To thee only have I sinned, and have done evil before thee: that thou mayst be justified in thy words and mayst overcome when thou art judged.

5For behold I was conceived in iniquities; and in sins did my mother conceive me.

- The Word of God against the false teachers on the other thread. Ps 51 from the Septuagint (Ps 50 in the Hebrew Bible)
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Psalm 51 (NRSV CE)

Prayer for Cleansing and Pardon
To the leader. A Psalm of David, when the prophet Nathan came to him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba.


1
Have mercy on me, O God,
according to your steadfast love;
according to your abundant mercy
blot out my transgressions.

2
Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity,
and cleanse me from my sin.

3
For I know my transgressions,
and my sin is ever before me.

4
Against you, you alone, have I sinned,
and done what is evil in your sight,
so that you are justified in your sentence
and blameless when you pass judgment.

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Indeed, I was born guilty,
a sinner when my mother conceived me.

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You desire truth in the inward being;[a]
therefore teach me wisdom in my secret heart.

7
Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean;
wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

8
Let me hear joy and gladness;
let the bones that you have crushed rejoice.

9
Hide your face from my sins,
and blot out all my iniquities.

10
Create in me a clean heart, O God,
and put a new and right[b] spirit within me.

11
Do not cast me away from your presence,
and do not take your holy spirit from me.

12
Restore to me the joy of your salvation,
and sustain in me a willing[c] spirit.

13
Then I will teach transgressors your ways,
and sinners will return to you.

14
Deliver me from bloodshed, O God,
O God of my salvation,
and my tongue will sing aloud of your deliverance.

15
O Lord, open my lips,
and my mouth will declare your praise.

16
For you have no delight in sacrifice;
if I were to give a burnt offering, you would not be pleased.

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The sacrifice acceptable to God[d] is a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.

18
Do good to Zion in your good pleasure;
rebuild the walls of Jerusalem,

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then you will delight in right sacrifices,
in burnt offerings and whole burnt offerings;
then bulls will be offered on your altar.

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Hello all.....wasssuppp.... Have a good one.

From an evil Catholic destined to go to hell...... smile.gif
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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Jul 12 2018, 10:22 AM)
Hello all.....wasssuppp....  Have a good one.

From an evil Catholic destined to go to hell......  smile.gif
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hello!

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QUOTE(khool @ Jul 12 2018, 10:50 AM)
hello!

God bless! how r u? biggrin.gif
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Im good. Just saw this group as usually I see the Lyu Christian fellowship. Good to know there is a Catholic specific one.

How are you ?

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Im good. Just saw this group as usually I see the Lyu Christian fellowship. Good to know there is a Catholic specific one.

How are you ?
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Hey! nice to hear from you, I am good thanks!

LYN Catholic Fellowship has been around for awhile now. Hope u can contribute something ya? TQ n GBU!


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post Jul 12 2018, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Jul 12 2018, 10:22 AM)
Hello all.....wasssuppp....  Have a good one.

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Hi Bro, I am curious why do you say that your destined to go where no right-minded Roman Catholic would ever want to for all eternity ?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jul 12 2018, 01:03 PM)
Hi Bro, I am curious why do you say that your destined to go where no right-minded Roman Catholic would ever want to for all eternity ?
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Aaahh...because I am a sinner. And I cant forgive myself of my sins, so if I cant forgive myself, how is God gonna forgive me. Eternal loop of damnation.
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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Jul 12 2018, 02:32 PM)
Aaahh...because I am a sinner. And I cant forgive myself of my sins, so if I cant forgive myself, how is God gonna forgive me. Eternal loop of damnation.
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Oops I forgotten welcome to our Catholic forum.

Don't worry about you not being able to forgive your own sin and neither should any of us too, for scriptures says only God can forgive our sins.

Our primary concern while on earth 🌏, should be towards forgiving those who have sinned against us, in order or so that our Heavenly Father will forgive our sin.

Can follow so far ?

Eternal damnation is not possible, when repentance is still possible. Eternal damnation is only possible when the act of repentance towards God can no longer be performed.

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Reminds me of Dante's Inferno.
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It's perplexing to me why the guy in the video is interested in hell.

I don't know others but my household and I are aiming for the gates of heaven, so that if we should miss 1 gate, we should hit the other gate beside.

Any thing else other then heaven is strictly non-negotiable ! Then again, maybe we're not as adventurous like that guy in the video.

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