To idiot K-Tards in LYN who think The One Holy Catholic Church is endorsing gay marriage ...     



WHAT DID THE POPE REALLY SAY?

Lots of sputtering about blessings, given or withheld with the latest media spin on our Holy Father’s words on the issue.

On blessings:
Re: the Holy Father and his Dicastry.

It's the spin the press wants.
It is NOT the point of the Holy Father's words.

Remember at every Mass the priest blesses sinners: couples living together, those using contraception, adulterers, etc etc. AND that's the point of the blessing: God deigns to bless everyone. What we DO with the Grace the blessing imparts is up to us.
The pope is simply saying that a priest can bless anyone/everyone. He also notes that a priest can consecrate ONLY males with females for the blessing of marriage. There is a distinction (always has been) in the point and power/authority of blessings. Some can be given by the non ordained if given in an individual's name, like a dad giving HIS blessing to a marriage.

But when done in the name of the whole Body, ordination is a prerequisite.

Now the Church is stating the obvious (as it often does) that in the Name of the Church, a priest can bless a gay couple, as in asking God to help and guide them. He CANNOT bless a gay couple in the manner of uniting them as one in a covenant relationship forever.
The "matter" is not present for the "form" to be used or be effective. (If i consecrate pretzels and beer at a campus Mass the "matter" required, bread and wine is not present, and the "form" is not effective. The lack of the proper matter indicates that it is being done outside the mind of the Church and cannot be effective outside the Body's intent.)

Remember in the sacrament of marriage a Priest/deacon acts as a witness. The COUPLE ENACT THE SACRAMENT. the ordained simply testifies to the effectiveness of their act as according to the faith of the church

Same with marriage.  The "matter" is the male/female couple. Not present, not effective, not in the mind of the Church. BUT JUST AS I BLESS MANY THINGS at a given Mass (water) and ask God to help the persons, the objects etc to become a sign of grace, it is NOT the same as a consecratory blessing( eg. Of the bread and wine).  Our Holy Father isn't saying anything really new.

If we can bless a house, we can bless people in need or those seeking God's love.
Blessings do not impart approval. They impart grace which can help lead to approval.

To idiot K-Tards in LYN who think The One Holy Catholic Church is endorsing gay marriage ...     



WHAT DID THE POPE REALLY SAY?

Lots of sputtering about blessings, given or withheld with the latest media spin on our Holy Father’s words on the issue.

On blessings:
Re: the Holy Father and his Dicastry.

It's the spin the press wants.
It is NOT the point of the Holy Father's words.

Remember at every Mass the priest blesses sinners: couples living together, those using contraception, adulterers, etc etc. AND that's the point of the blessing: God deigns to bless everyone. What we DO with the Grace the blessing imparts is up to us.
The pope is simply saying that a priest can bless anyone/everyone. He also notes that a priest can consecrate ONLY males with females for the blessing of marriage. There is a distinction (always has been) in the point and power/authority of blessings. Some can be given by the non ordained if given in an individual's name, like a dad giving HIS blessing to a marriage.

But when done in the name of the whole Body, ordination is a prerequisite.

Now the Church is stating the obvious (as it often does) that in the Name of the Church, a priest can bless a gay couple, as in asking God to help and guide them. He CANNOT bless a gay couple in the manner of uniting them as one in a covenant relationship forever.
The "matter" is not present for the "form" to be used or be effective. (If i consecrate pretzels and beer at a campus Mass the "matter" required, bread and wine is not present, and the "form" is not effective. The lack of the proper matter indicates that it is being done outside the mind of the Church and cannot be effective outside the Body's intent.)

Remember in the sacrament of marriage a Priest/deacon acts as a witness. The COUPLE ENACT THE SACRAMENT. the ordained simply testifies to the effectiveness of their act as according to the faith of the church

Same with marriage.  The "matter" is the male/female couple. Not present, not effective, not in the mind of the Church. BUT JUST AS I BLESS MANY THINGS at a given Mass (water) and ask God to help the persons, the objects etc to become a sign of grace, it is NOT the same as a consecratory blessing( eg. Of the bread and wine).  Our Holy Father isn't saying anything really new.

If we can bless a house, we can bless people in need or those seeking God's love.
Blessings do not impart approval. They impart grace which can help lead to approval.

I wondering why Catholics Pope suddenly make an u-turn on gay marriage?, aren't this was against the Bible teaching?

I wondering why Catholics Pope suddenly make an u-turn on gay marriage?, aren't this was against the Bible teaching?

The document didn't say gay marriage was OK, in fact it said not OK. But the controversy is regarding blessings, say a man and his bf or an openly adulterous man & woman comes to a priest to get blessed for their "relationship". That is not OK either!

Blessings or marriages on gay couple both are not ok right according to the Bible? but Catholic pope clearly said giving blessings to gay couple relationship?
What's this sudden U-turn? it's seem that end of times is coming already, anti Christ will be appearing as well

It’s essential to note that the document doesn’t change the Catholic Church’s teaching on gay marriage. It’s prohibited — without exception.
What is evolving is how the Church responds to LGBT people who participate in same-sex relationships.

This Christmas season, priests as usual will visit prisons across the world to give their blessings to rapists, pedophiles, and murderers. If they can do that with people whose sins are nearly unforgivable, they most certainly do that with people whose “irregular relationships” are not.

A blessing isn’t an endorsement, it is not an approval.
It’s an invitation to God and the persons receiving it to grow closer to God.
This unconditional love, preached by Jesus Christ, forms the bedrock of Christian ethics.

There is a difference in those cases if they are not flaunting what they did as something to be blessed or approved.

In the case of sodomical or adulterous relationships, if they come together to request such blessings, it is a source of public scandal, unless they come individually requesting blessings that they can have the grace to amend their lives.

https://www.alim.org/quran/read-surah/4?taf=171

O FOLLOWERS of the Gospel! Do not overstep the bounds [of truth] in your religious beliefs, and do not say of God anything but the truth. The Christ Jesus, son of Mary, was but God's Apostle - [the fulfilment of] His promise which He had conveyed unto Mary - and a soul created by Him. Believe, then, in God and His apostles, and do not say, "[God is] a trinity". Desist [from this assertion] for your own good. God is but One God; utterly remote is He, in His glory, from having a son: unto Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth; and none is as worthy of trust as God.

An-nisaa verse 171