QUOTE(siewty @ Dec 24 2019, 10:54 AM)
HelloGold - Ask Me Anything, related to HelloGold or gold in general
HelloGold - Ask Me Anything, related to HelloGold or gold in general
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Dec 24 2019, 10:56 AM
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Dec 24 2019, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Dec 24 2019, 11:11 AM) Yes we know what u want to protect here but anyway HG always got the profit as the when we sell u charge another 2% or 4% on weekend The buy and sell fee is to support the cost of us operating our business to allow our app to run 23 hours a day, 7 days a week, along with a team to support the business. Like in all businesses, there is an operating cost and it is the buy/sell fee that helps us sustain this cost. Always a winner even though we sell it after it rise above 2% or we might not sell it and die peacefully without even anyone notice it if really for long term. If really 2% pa is for management fee then if we request real gold bar you dont charge any fee except deliver fee or no fee for self collect. Please amend that tnc for real gold bar request then. In the event of a death of a customer, the gold still would be under their name and the deceased's estate can claim it. HelloGold would not be able to liquidate and use the gold as our own. The cost of making bars is not within our control. When you redeem physical bars, our vault partner would inform us of the price of the bar (price of gold + cost of making the bar) and we deduct it from your HelloGold account. Right now we do not have a self collect service but once we do, we will inform all our customers. As for the Administrative fee details, please refer to the post prior to this. We provide a platform that makes it easy for everyone to access gold. Of course the choice as a consumer is yours as to which medium you prefer to buy gold. As mentioned previously, please do provide us with your contact number and we will be happy to speak to you in detail. Thank you |
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Dec 24 2019, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Dec 24 2019, 11:11 AM) Fyi if i want to setup selling platinum, silver or diamonds, i also can prepare something to show customer physically in order to let them believe what u want me to believe with… Anyway without Boost promo, only those who hope for "long term" savings will buy ur gold… Our aim is to allow people to save for their future. Thank you |
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Dec 24 2019, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Dec 24 2019, 11:51 AM) it's ok, i rather keep the money in bank for ease of use rather keeping the gold in HG whereby value keep dropping down, again as i told, without Boost promo, i'm not gonna buy and sell gold and let u get instant 2.79% profit everytime and i bet most of us "loyal customer" buy and sell ur gold is due to Boost promo, so to make sure we keep giving 2.79% money to HG, hope u can have a good and long term relationship with Boost. Thank you. That is of course your prerogative as a consumer. Do let us know should your need more information. Thank you |
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Dec 26 2019, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Dec 25 2019, 12:32 PM) for me paper gold is not worth as you always pay high price for buy and sell and management fee etc... Just for clarification purposes, HelloGold does not sell paper gold. We sell physical gold with the option of either us keeping the gold for you or have it delivered to you. but if you like it this way, HG is the easiest and time savings QUOTE(coo|dude @ Dec 25 2019, 06:32 PM) Hi, would you be able to provide a comparison chart of buying say 100g of gold on HG vs conventional method over say the whole year of 2019? Assuming one bought 100g from HG and another over conventional bar purchase. It would be really great to see the cost of ownership and profit (or loss) from both. I wish I could but I would not know the price of gold that other retailers would have bought and sold at since the beginning of 2019 till date. I would like to point on though that there is an element of risk should you hold the bar yourself. It would be tough to monetize that risk, which of course is part of holding physical gold in your hands. From HelloGold's platform if you bought at the beginning of 2019 : 1st Jan 2019 price = Rm171.60 per gram 100 grams = Rm17,160.00 Assuming price on 31st Dec 2019 = Rm199.27 ( price at time of this message), after deducting 0.79% buy fee, 2% per year Administrative fee and 2% sell fee, you would be able to sell your gold at Rm18,986.70 with a profit of Rm1826.70. That gives a gain of 10.645% overall. I hope this helps. |
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Dec 26 2019, 09:32 AM
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Dec 26 2019, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Dec 26 2019, 10:37 AM) this is paper gold la... With HelloGold, we buy in kilo bars and fractionalize it for our customers. We allocate gold to them. u don't tell me i buy the gold at 1am and sell at 1.01am, u still go and buy the physical gold at 1.01am and suddenly realise that i have sold the gold and rush to sell the physical gold at 1.02am... there are so many ppl buy and sell and u need to buy here sell there... Allocated gold means the gold is your property and you are the legal owner of the gold. Allocated gold accounts use your funds to buy and store physical gold in secure, insured vaults. The gold stays in the vault and cannot be used for any other purpose. When you buy with HelloGold, you are the legal owner of the gold and HelloGold is the custodian. You pay HelloGold to store it for you and not matter what happens, your gold is protected if HelloGold closes down for any reason. With unallocated gold, many feel it is more risky. Unallocated gold accounts do not have to physically store your gold. Your gold may be lent out during the time that the company or bank holds the gold on your behalf. If the gold provider goes bankrupt, all you will have is the promise to give you back your gold – which will leave you waiting in line with other creditors. This post has been edited by Joshua_ambrose: Dec 26 2019, 11:11 AM |
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Dec 26 2019, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Dec 26 2019, 11:19 AM) i already told u there are so many transaction happen in mili of seconds, you can't buy and sell the actual gold in time to match the actual unless u store an amount of gold inside which well over what you got in HG. We have developed a platform that does transactions for customers based on the amount of gold we have. When you buy, our system deducts gold from our holdings in the vault and sells it to you. When you sell, our system deducts the gold from your account and deposits it in our account. That is why we always have more gold in our vault than the total amount of gold that customers hold.so in theory is physical gold, but in reality, all transaction in HG in real time is paper gold... This post has been edited by Joshua_ambrose: Dec 26 2019, 11:26 AM |
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Dec 26 2019, 12:11 PM
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QUOTE(coo|dude @ Dec 26 2019, 12:07 PM) Can I know what additional fees you are referring to please? As mentioned, we are not selling paper gold. Unfortunately, we do not have the past rates of other gold retailers to provide you with a comparison. |
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Dec 26 2019, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE(coo|dude @ Dec 26 2019, 12:19 PM) Your weekend's fees are not applicable on international holiday? Right now, the additional fees are only on weekends. Well, technically the profit and figures you had provided should be compared with a papergold because you charge another fee for the redemption/delivery of the physical gold. As for other retailers, we are sorry but we do not have their past prices. |
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Dec 26 2019, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Dec 26 2019, 12:24 PM) i think he calculate wrong as well: As mentioned before, the buy and sell fee is to cover the operating cost of the business. The Administrative fee goes to the vault to securely store, insure the gold held as well as provide audits of the gold stored for purity. for 100g of gold, the buying fee is (remember we are using more than RM17,160 to buy 100g) RM17,160/0.9921 - RM17160 = RM136.64 for selling fee at RM199.27/g, total 4% charged, therefore the 100g only worth RM19,129.92 total profit = (RM19,129.92 - RM17,160/0.9921) / (RM17,160/0.9921) = 10.6%, only earn RM1,833.28 as compare to HG earn RM933.72, more than half of what the invester earn... as u can see HG can easily earn a lot as compare to invester who need to dump the money in... what happen if 1 Jan 2019 is RM199.27/g while 31 Dec 2019 became RM171.6/g? Invester loss RM3,612.08 while HG still earn a massive RM845.08... as u can see HG is always a winner... If you would like to speak to us in person about this, do DM me your contact number and we will be more than happy to speak to you about our business. Thank you |
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Jan 7 2020, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE(balf @ Jan 7 2020, 09:27 AM) why i need to stuck my money for long term while i hv better option to earn 2% + in short term...& consistently??? gg HG Our platform has been active despite the removal of the "Add Cash" feature. We believe that more and more people are keen on saving in gold and they can do so easily with an app that allows them to do it for as low as RM1. As a consumer, of course it is your prerogative as to how you would want to save, be it via HelloGold or any other means. The choice is always yours. Gold is not for immediate gains but rather one that is more towards a longer term. Of course I would not be able to predict as to how long "long term" is but just to share based on my previous post : If you bought gold at the beginning of 2019, based on the price of gold via our HelloGold app : 1st Jan 2019 price = Rm171.60 per gram 100 grams = Rm17,160.00 Assuming price on 31st Dec 2019 = Rm199.27 ( price at time of this message), after deducting 0.79% buy fee, 2% per year Administrative fee and 2% sell fee, you would be able to sell your gold at Rm18,986.70 with a profit of Rm1826.70. That gives a gain of 10.645% overall. Cheers This post has been edited by Joshua_ambrose: Jan 7 2020, 12:04 PM |
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Jan 7 2020, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(balf @ Jan 7 2020, 03:02 PM) Yes what you said about gold saving is correct & accurate. Gold is the good investment in a long run. The question is, why I should buy from HG??? I can purchase the gold somewhere else that charged lower fees and earning better return. It is your right to buy gold from whichever retailer you would like, as a customer. We focus on providing customers an option to buy and sell gold 23 hours a day, 7 days a week via your mobile phone from as low as RM1 as our platform can fractionalize gold. Edit: physical gold. This post has been edited by Joshua_ambrose: Jan 7 2020, 03:10 PM |
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Jan 8 2020, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE(NotTheOne @ Jan 7 2020, 08:39 PM) Hey there. We are sorry but at this point in time, we do not buy physical gold from anywhere except from our bullion vault partner. By buying from our vault partner, we can ensure that the gold you buy via our HelloGold app is genuine as the vault undergoes periodical audits by an LBMA approved auditor. |
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Jan 8 2020, 02:53 PM
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Jan 9 2020, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Jan 8 2020, 05:47 PM) https://help.hellogold.com/en/ Good morning. All the answer can be found from here And the conclusion is they want to charge higher price for getting real gold (wonder why the vault exists) and wont take back the gold (dunno where to put lol) As previously mentioned, when a customer requests for physical gold, there definitely would be additional charges such as : 1) cost of making the bar ( as per the price our vaulting partner quotes to us) 2) courier fee to have it delivered right to your doorstep 3) insurance for the courier in the event something happens to your gold during delivery All these 3 charges are not revenue for HelloGold. If you would like, you can check with other gold retail outlets of what the difference of gold market price is versus how much they would charge you for a physical bar. There definitely would be a variance between gold market price versus physical bar price as they too would incur other costs such as making of the bar, possible premise overheads, operational expense, cost of shipping the gold to their premise and so on. The vault exists as it is a : a) secure and insured storage for the gold that we keep for our customers. The last thing we would want is for our customers' gold to go missing or for anything unforeseen to happen b) partner that sells LBMA audited gold. This is to ensure that the gold we sell is genuine. There have been many cases where people have bought gold from individuals/organisations, only to realize later that the gold is not 999 gold. With an LBMA audit process, it is a guarantee that the gold is genuine. As for accepting physical gold by other parties, we do not provide that service at this point in time as this would require assay services. I am sure no one would want to buy gold that is not genuine. Allow me to provide you an example: If customer A wants to sell physical gold to us, without assay there is no way that we can guarantee the purity of that gold. If we were to accept it and then sell that same gold bar to customer B, there is no guarantee that customer B would receive genuine 999 gold. If you would like to speak more about HelloGold, our business, the gold we hold or anything related to us, do PM me your contact detail and we would be more than happy to answer your queries. |
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Jan 9 2020, 10:56 AM
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Jan 9 2020, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Jan 9 2020, 12:44 PM) Actually, the bars we allocate are bought by us and stored in the vault. We do own those bars. You can view the details of the bars we own by cliking here . All gold bars have a minting cost attached to them. This post has been edited by Joshua_ambrose: Jan 9 2020, 12:50 PM |
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QUOTE(john123x @ Jan 10 2020, 11:21 AM) I propose ditching the audit fee and pass the cost saving to the end users based on the concept "how do you know the auditted gold is really yours?". Happy Friday!! I am lousy at explaining, I explain through an example. Example: if bullionstar have 500kg of gold in the books, but only have 50kg of physical gold. If customer A that have 5 kg of gold wants to audit, bullionstar can easily show 5kg of gold (from total 50kg physical gold). If customer B with 10kg of gold wants to audit, bullionstar just show 10kg of physical gold. My point is a true audit, need to check the account books, and check all physical gold, including other customers gold, not only your gold. Do bullionstar allows HG hired auditors to check everything? I am skeptical, therefore I think the audit fees is pointless. The safeguard is the auditor hired by bullionstar on its annual book closing. Ok, so with regards to the audits done at Bullionstar International, the auditors are LBMA approved bullion auditors that do a number of checks. You can see their latest report here. The cost of storing gold does include these audits as well as 100% insurance of the gold stored. The "audit fee" can't be removed as it is a part of the storage fee from our bullion partner. |
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Jan 16 2020, 10:14 AM
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QUOTE(rojakwhacker @ Jan 15 2020, 07:50 PM) Under the term and condition of the above campaign. Good morning. We are very sorry for the error above. It should read : 10. ii. The Customer must successfully transfer funds to the HelloGold SmartSaver plan between 1:00:00 am at the beginning of the date range specified above under the heading "Successful Fund Transfer Date" and 11:59:59pm at the end of the date range specified above under the heading "Successful Fund Transfer Date". I do not understand on the part 'transfer fund to hellogold smartsaver plan'. Must transfer fund to smartsaver plan? "The Customers must successfully buy through direct purchase (not through the SmartSaver plan) between 1:00:00 am at the beginning of the date range specified above under the heading “Successful Buy Date” and 11:59:59pm at the end of the date range specified above under the heading “Successful Buy Date”. " This promo is not for the SmartSaver plan. Apologies about this. |
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