Im looking at building a Video Editing, rendering computer using premire pro and after effects. My current laptop cannot handle this workload. It's hot i think it's going to go bust soon. Laptops are no good for rendering so it's time for a PC

For games it's casual games, most graphics intense game i currently have is GTA V which i play on my laptop at 30 FPS and Dota

Maybe i will get Battlefront 2


budget around RM 4500

Would prefer AMD Ryzen for its more cores
around my budget would be the Ryzen 5 series?

looking for these other specs
16GB RAM
SSD
not sure if can squeeze a GTX 1060 into the budget
how are the options on AMD GPU
otherwise go for 1050ti

what motherboard to get

case NZXT S340

I already have monitor

ryzen R5 1600 RM1020.00
any B350 mobo RM 450.00
ddr4 8gbx2 RM 650.00
ramsung 850 evo 250gb RM 450.00
rx470 4gb RM 975.00
nzxt s340 RM 340.00
leadex ii gold 650W psu RM 480.00

Roughly RM4390.00

ATI for ryzen, coz nvidia have optimaztion issue.
GPU can go for 8gb if dont mind lower setting for 1440p gaming or future usage, top up RM150.
Ram pls check with the QVL list of mobo u want to buy.
CPU cooler, if willing to OC more than vcore 1.35v 24/7, can choose 3rd party cooler.
Maybe get higher tier X370 mobo as well, top up RM250, for better vrm and hsf due to OC B350 under 24/7 heavy load, vrm will temp high.

Edited:
B350 range OC notes
Asrock not recommended due to not a real doubler of 3 phase cpu vrm, but only 3 phase vrm.
Gigabyte (4+3 with onsemi) > Asus (4+2 with onsemi) > Biostar (4+3 with sinosem) > MSI (4+2 with nicosem) > ASROCK (3+3 with nicosem)

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 22 2017, 02:49 AM

Don't bother with SSD when your budget is not even enough for both decent CPU and GPU.

How about these?

AMD Ryzen 7 1700 - 1599
MSI B350M Mortar - 480
Corsair 8GB DDR4-2133 X2 - 520
MSI RX 570 4GB DDR5 Gaming X - 970
WD Blue (7200rpm only) or Seagate 1TB - 212
Super Flower Leadex Silver 550W - 359
NZXT S340 case - 335 (from Idealtech)

RM4475 total (C-Zone prices)

Add SSD later when you have more budget.

Guys, i already got the nvidia 1060, are you saying that the graphic card is not recommended to be with ryzen 1700?

Just only few game, especially with dx12, u may get drop of fps due to nvidia card optimization for ryzen.

Until someone can really prove that it is an Nvidia card optimization we can't actually say for certain it's an "nvidia card optimization for Ryzen" thing.

Intel and AMD Ryzen processors are not equal, you put them at same speed also that doesn't mean they're equal in any way.

Hitman for example, GTX 1080 on Intel processor gets almost double the average framerate on Full HD high details.

The clock speed difference isn't far but the gap is huge, it's more than optimization.

There's a reason why AMD through out the entire Ryzen Tech Day event talks very little about gaming, VERY.

Take it from me, who actually has 5 Ryzen processors and used with 3 Nvidia cards 1060, 1070 and 1080.

1. There's nothing to worry about

2. As what eDwanD mentioned above, it's actually correct BUT not enough details provided. The performance drop happens
- only on certain titles
- gap varies from title to title, and varies from the resolution
- the gap narrows on lower end cards
- the gap narrows on higher gaming resolution

Clearer now?

So no need to worry. It'll work just fine. If you use Adobe Premiere Pro you will benefit from the processor cores and the CUDA on GPU for Mercury Playback.

My current rig for video work and gaming is on Ryzen 7 processor, usually the 1800X and cards either an RX 470 or GTX 1070 but they get swapped around from time to time.

He already has a GTX 1060. So now you can add an SSD and go with higher speed RAM.

Eh to~ he is not TS who open thread XD

Erm, true on ur statement, we cant conlclude anything coz no prove what's actually going on.
The only confirm is that combination of ryzen X nvidia is not as good as ryzen X ati if same range of gpu.

https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/AMD-r...ing-tests-Ryzen

i dont think the nvidia optimization have any influence, cause i check linus tech tips they bust the myth already.

nani .......

As much as I support AMD, there are things that I can't "accept" because of personal experience. He's not wrong but not all titles are such.



No, Ryzen X Nvidia is OK actually. You see even many titles the results are very close.

Also for cards like GTX 1060 and RX 470 - they work the same on AMD Ryzen setup.

I no need to check Linus, I personally tested.

Furthermore if software optimization is an issue, it shouldn't be affecting the framerates so badly, even at same clock speed.

Any link for linus tech tips bust the myth? sorry that i failed to find the video @@

This the myth that i still feel weird, dunno is ryzen arch not matched up nvidia? or just simply game patch or nvidia driver can fixed out.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/763557...-with-amd-gpus/

Since i still can't find any real explanation of this myth, tat's why i cant easily recommended nvidia to others. Surely, if going higher than gtx1070 currently, theres no point hold back to to RX480, even the myth occurs, still wont effect much than the OP tat gtx 1070 and above against ati rx580.

Yup, only few title will got that issue, tat issue stated by prevent other later disappointment due to OSD sickness?

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 22 2017, 03:27 AM

i dont know, its either linus or the jayz2cents guy, the were doing the review for ryzen and fitted both build with rx and gtx card. To top it off, they even throw in intel to compare the results.

ryzen cpu, 2133mhz ddr4, midrange gpu all already good enuf. i think ssd is more important than all above bcuz thestorage is the SLOWEST component of all.

Hardware Unboxed already did a testing on Ryzen x nVidia thingy and the conclusion was that no such thing as nvidia gimping drivers with Ryzen platform.

There was issue with SLI I think, but as far as single card goes, no such thing was exhibited.

SSD does not improve processing.

It does. Else you can show link or youtube that SSD does not improve video editing.

Hardware Unboxed admit there's still some issue caused by probably is driver issue under his test of Does Ryzen works better under AMD GPUs Part 1

I think i will stated 1 more times, issue just a minor issue, only few game (because there are a lot other game than those game which alwayas benchmarked).
The issue wont draw you back from nvidia if u dun mind, but will draw someone back if they want full guaranteed performance.
Just same as a lot of ppl didnt agreed ryzen is great cpu for gaming due to its lower ipc performance than 7700k, theres lot people choosing i7 7700k with just paired with gtx 1060.

Issue is issue, wont disappear until it fixed in any way it will.

SSD does improve video editing,but not really when rendering process.
SSD can load file faster than HDD will save more time when editing, but if workout a big file workload, a big size HDD is advantage than small size SSD.

Both get their different advantage, the best solution, is grab which one u need more, or maybe 120gb SSD(for os and those program usage and alternative for some file that video editing need) +1TB HDD (for save lots file which consume space) is a good choice too, anyway, it up to TS finalize his choice.

Have you even convert videos or play games before? 8 core or SSD with 6 core? Better GPU or SSD with weaker GPU?

Changing CPU and GPU is harder than add SSD by the way.


This post has been edited by TristanX: Apr 22 2017, 01:56 PM

All my video editing rig has SSD and HDD / SSHD.

HDD / SSHD for video storage.

Even for HDD right, the read / write speed is already plenty fast for video editing.

Rendering of video has all the while being CPU game. GPU is "iffy".

Would you buy SSD if you are limited by budget?

Nope.

I'm one of the (I think rare) people who still thinks that it's fine to run HDD setup.

My HTPC is using HDD setup, it's the best path to go when space is more important than speed.

If you have 1 rig to setup for video purpose - 256GB SSD vs 4TB HDD, I'll take 4TB HDD any day.

HDD is for my long term storage archive
Longer term will put on external

I transfer the footage i need to edit on to the SSD and do work there and render there

Anyway for my budget I'm still better off with Ryzen CPU am i right?

Because i see for my budget i can only get core i5 or i7 but push my budget

Its common for who done heavy workload, commonly go for large hdd.
At least, 1 SSD + 1 HDD should be for usage of workload editing + gaming + daily usage.
but at least 250gb SSD and above, 120gb is too less for doing job.

SSD give him speed for loading program, loading game, casual using as well, and also loads file for save time when editting.
But for purpose above, a 256gb ssd is minimum reqirement.
HDD indeed for storage, but who know TS will use for heavy video editting or just light project?

But according to ts, he stated that SSD, thats why recommend a SSD to his rig under his budget.

For is it needed 8 core? Some ppl wont mind for letting video rendering by afk a while, 6 core may benefit as well.

Rig suggest just a suggest, nothing is wrong or right, different user different need.

For me, i will go some parts in used condition, some part going speciall offer, more budget for better spec.

ryzen R5 1600 RM1020.00 / R7 1700 RM1599.00

(More core, better cpu power for editing workloads etc, especially in rendering time. But more core, more power consumption, may result vrm more heat if OC heavy)

any B350 mobo RM 450.00

(Quality of mobo, Gigabyte (4+3 with onsemi) > Asus (4+2 with onsemi) > Biostar (4+3 with sinosem) > MSI (4+2 with nicosem) > ASROCK (3+3 with nicosem, commonly better VRM give u better temp and stability when OC under high volt, still not recommended for OC 24/7 under 1.4v with ryzen 7 + B350 mobo, commonly give u about 100'c on vrm, got possibility toast ur mobo after long time run.)

DDR 4 8gbx2 RM 650.00

(There's are cheaper 2133mhz DDR4 as low as RM140/8gb stick, but u need check is it in QVL of mobo u choose to better run will with ur mobo. RM650 is 3000/3200mhz 8dbx2 kit that commonlay well run in any am4 mobo)

Samsung 850 evo 250gb RM 450.00

MSI/Sapphire RX570 4gb RM 975.00 / zotac gtx 1060 3gb mini RM 910.00

(RX 470 4gb give u more gaming guarantee with benefit of 4gb vram, becoz big title may consume more than 3gb. Still, as goldfries stated, NVIDIA cuda benefit you at Mercury playback, or get u self a used gtx1060 6gb with RM850 because this few month there are few ppl sell their gtx1060 6gb in this price, just take time to wait them )

leadex ii gold 650W psu RM 480.00 / Leadex Silver 550W - RM 360.00

(Tier 1 and tier 2 PSU different component, different PSU quality, not said the tier 2 psu is bad. just 1 cent more get you quality, more RM120 more space for future upgrade,better power supply,better secure better hardware lifespan in theory.)

nzxt s340 RM 340.00

Try asking idealtech, dotatech, topmaid, etechpc etc for a quote, if not wrongly there r at least RM100 discount when u buy ryzen+mobo+ram maybe more with full rig?

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 22 2017, 05:21 PM

more core, more power consumption?

Nope. You have to see other factors.

Ryzen 5 1500X (4 cores) = 65W TDP
Ryzen 5 1600 (6 cores) = 65W TDP
Ryzen 5 1600X (6 cores) = 95W TDP
Ryzen 7 1700 (8 cores) = 65W TDP

I think i wont be overclocking my CPU
If Intel I would have got non K i5 7600 / i7 7700

This post has been edited by Lumiaaa: Apr 22 2017, 05:38 PM

That's what I always think too. Base PC performance first, SSD later.

I googled, and found that r7 1700 4ghz nearly same power usage with r7 1800x. Both r 65w tdp and 95 tdp.
r5 1600 4ghz with 1.44v still consume about 20w less than r7 4ghz.
r5 1400 4ghz with 1.40v consume less than 1600.

May explain? cause i thought if similar vcore, the power consumption is nearly same, but less core should lower power consumption than more core. as example of 1700 and 1800x, different tdp but didnt seems any big different when full load under ssimilar vcore.

Then a B350 will fit u in ur way. In same range of price, why not getting best electric component a mobo has.
Gigabyte has best vrm quality overall among those brand, more stability and better component, as i know onboard audio of gigabyte is better in this range.
Anyway, u may consider other mobo that fit u for feature or maybe outlook color theme or aftersales service?

Hw much is 1500x? I think u gave a good full info to ts.

Video editing component with gaming component,, ts will need to push his budget to get high end pc dy Ask goldfries advice is most viable as he is already using both and tested all ryzen n intel based.

For my part, im just worried about cooling factor.

U know maybe i should save money wait for the new AMD Vegas??? GPU

This post has been edited by Lumiaaa: Apr 22 2017, 07:07 PM

I randow pcik a review for power consumption, 1500x @4ghz/1.5v 182w, 1600x @4.1ghz/1.5v 222w, 1800x @ 4.0ghz/1.37v 276w (total system power undel prime95)

I found out that better tdp may cause better temp of cpu, but didnt get power cunsumption lesser, if cpu draw more power, will get vrm process more and heat produce from vrm will increase.

Asking goldfries than he can easily point out my mistaken/misunderstanding about my statemen, because i still in study about this that lolz XD

(Its a pain that no money and chance to try our any combination of pc component, so just can try find out more and more infoo by reading review etc)

If not urgent, just wait vega release and decide after that?

I also not much budget, thats why survey more and more, and find a sweet spot for my need. XD

Some parts as ram and casing, i just get the used unit for save up 20% of cost, and get cheaper 20% price for seasonic psu which still have 4 years warranty.
Grab myself an unit of ryzen 1700 by sweet price 1399 from seller in garage sales as well.

All i left just a gpu, at this moment,
the best gpu i would pay for RM1k range is, RM850 used GTX1060 6gb (commonly used within 6 month) >RM 950 for new RX 570 4gb > RM1.1k for used RX480 8gb

The next point is RM1.8k for GTX1070, but i would like to wait for vega, because if Vega is competitor of gtx1080 and more better performance/bucks, it should about range rm2k

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 22 2017, 07:33 PM

Of course, that's overclocked state.

Let's talk about stock, the one I posted just now are all on stock. That alone tells you that more cores doesn't mean drain more.

Even the Ryzen 5 1500X / 1600X when overclocked to 4Ghz also can draw similarly to the Ryzen 7 models.

So in fact when you calculate how many watts per core, the Ryzen 7 with more core actually does better, which proves that more core doesn't mean drain more power.

Vega is at least GTX 1080 level. Won't replace RX 570 and 580.

I'm just pointing out the flaw in your statement ........

Ryzen 5 1500X (4 cores) = 65W TDP
Ryzen 5 1600 (6 cores) = 65W TDP
Ryzen 5 1600X (6 cores) = 95W TDP
Ryzen 7 1700 (8 cores) = 65W TDP

Even if you want to pick articles - you should note also that at this point they're all running at similar voltage and similar speeds.

This is why I replied to your post with "Nope. You have to see other factors."

You can't generalize more cores is faster.

Ryzen 7 1700 is 8 cores but 3.0Ghz while Ryzen 5 1600X is 3.6Ghz.

See the difference? You can't just say more cores mean more power draw, it doesn't work that way unless they're running on equal settings on other areas like voltage and frequency.

I see, my statement lack of something, the properly should write as

If oced to same core speed under same vcore, more the core, will consume more power. Its right that i should write properly, because will misleading @@

Thanks for reply, improperly statement was made by my careless@@

Under same clock speed and similar vcore, ryzen more core = watt/core sure is more efficiency, but still there r significant gaps of total power consumption between them.

Yes, when we talk - we always talk stock.

If you want to add other information, better be detailed if not it's misleading.

Ok

Me beggars won't be choosy

If i have to up my budget then I'll go up to 5k

Add SSD to my build and u are golden. Go for Super Flower Leadex Gold 550W at RM429 too.

i m looking for best value/feature for am4 mobo. can you recommend gigabyte mobo that is suitable? alot of am4 gigabyte out there.

tristanx - would you mind to comment why MSI B350M Mortar - 480 is your selected choice? tq

This post has been edited by demetry: Apr 23 2017, 09:57 PM

Current model of gigabyte B350 range, got similar eletric component, different of price just different of feature, choose the one that features fit you.

But not recommend get over RM600 for B350, cause u just can top up to RM700ish for better Asrock X370.

The important of vrm just for if u want to oc and like to get more stability and lower temp, still there r theory that a electric part which use better quality component will result better lifespan.

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 23 2017, 10:04 PM

mind to explain this onsemi,u prefer gigabyte mobo?

This is the company name which production the mosfet which used on motherboard, commonly the mosfet cost more expensive, the better brand and quality it should be.

At higher end mobo as biostar gt7, asus crosshair, asrock taichi, commonly they use infineon or texus instrument mosfet. An the power phase controller will using better one.

Lower tier of X370 mobo, use onsemi which us company, sinosem or nikosem which taiwan company, but they use more component and result you got more power phase for oc.

And at lower end of B350 range, commonly using nikosem or sinosem, the better one will using onsemi.

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 24 2017, 01:20 PM

Sinopower is from taiwan.

i noticed msi board has displayport, i tot only GPU will provide displayport connection to your monitor?

AM4 chipset support AMD upcoming APUs as well, those APUs have built in graphic chip so you can output display without graphic card.

do you mean current b350 mobo has apu already? if not we can add apu to it

Coming soon. APU haven't come to market yet. The current B350 can support APU but most likely need a BIOS update to include new CPU microcode support. That's all. AM4 is AMD's 1 socket for all consumer desktop CPU. Not like last time got AM3 and FM2.

The only APU "available" for AM4 mainboard right now is the Bristol Bridge APUs which base on older pre-Zen architecture. It perform just slightly faster than older APU so not recommended to get those.. i don't think you can find one on the shelf anyway.

Oops, my bad @@ mistaken =w=

where can u get 2133mhz DDR4 as low as RM140/8gb stick?

I think i saw wrongly, its old price list

This post has been edited by eDwanD: May 6 2017, 06:24 AM

RAM price has increased drastically i think the chance is low

Nice community of enthusiasts here

Recently, I also want to make a rig with similar budget to replace my very old laptop... RM conversion to USD are too much for me to buy another decent laptop XD

Hence, I have to do my research for making rig, last time was more than 15years... hahaha... hiks... I'm getting old...

Regarding to this comment...
^most of the statements are solid. However, for b350 series of Gigabyte aren't that tolerant to heat unfortunately: https://youtu.be/ZGrxhf_xZWI?t=14m10s
Just get only if you get a good price and make sure get the one with heatsink unless only 4 cores processor used. if only based on VRM, I'll take MSI boards with 4+2 designs any day.

Concerning TS questions for mother boards: the sweet spot would be Asrock b350 pro4 priced around 4XXRM although it is only 3+2 VRM but it has all the necessary things like 2 x m.2 slot! specifically if your work requires a lot of disk space, you can just pop in NVME drive in the future once it is cheaper / you have the budget. Unless you plan to overlock 3+2 VRM would be just fine.

Additionally, waiting for another couple of months would be better options if possible. Until the support of the new architecture is stabilised. There are always "bugs" for new tech... specifically ryzen has significant changes compared to previous generation... I know shops will hate me by sharing this fact

Additionally, in order to put more oil to the discussion, memory quality (speed and latency) is important when you build Ryzen based rig for overall performance (either for gaming or productivity) due to it's Infinity Fabric architecture, and yet the BIOS for Ryzen is not yet optimal at this moment. The current high performance memory are settings are for Intel. This doesn't mean you can get high performance in Ryzen, "just" requires some manual settings to get it the performance otherwise it will be clocked at lower speed or higher latency. And only some mobos allowed to change this settings at the moment; mostly high end as far as I know: X370 based XD

Nevertheless, thanks for AMD for releasing Ryzen as it makes PC building more sophisticated and fun again!

But I've been using Ryzen setup for more than 2 months now leh, very stable. What else people want?

I'm quite sure the Asus VRM uses better mosfets that are more efficient than Gigabyte which is using mediocre/low end mosfets, similar in quality with MSI in their B350 mb's. Asrock may only have 3 power phases for the cpu but it doubled up all the components so the VRM will probably run alot cooler which is important since heat seems to be an issue for 6/8 core builds.

There is some youtube and review that oledi confirm of vrm, but not every model. Below is the vrm of mobo which confirmed. Asrock only 3 power phase but not doubler. Current B350 range which confirmed vrm easily hit 100'c on 4+2/3 vrm with heatsink applied when run under 1.4v for oc, but still in safe range. Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3 and Asus B350 plus both using onsemi mosfet.

B350 mobo range
MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon (4x2+2 nikosemi,unconfirmed) > Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3 (4+3 onsemi) > Asus Prime B-350 Plus (4+2 onsemi) > Biostar B350GT3 (4+3 sinosemi) > MSI B350M Tomahawk~Mortar Arctic (4+2 nikosemi)
> Asrock AB350(M) Pro4(3(X2)+3 nikosemi) = Asrock AB350M-HDV (4+3 nikosemi,unconfirmed) > MSI B350M Gaming Pro (3+2 nikosemi)

B350 mobo range which confirmed.
MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon (4x2+2 nikosemi,unconfirmed) > Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3 (4+3 onsemi) > Asus Prime B-350 Plus (4+2 onsemi) > Biostar B350GT3 (4+3 sinosemi) > MSI B350M Tomahawk~Mortar Arctic (4+2 nikosemi) > Asrock AB350(M) Pro4(3(X2)+3 nikosemi) = Asrock AB350M-HDV (4+3 nikosemi,unconfirmed) > MSI B350M Gaming Pro (3+2 nikosemi)

U can get gigabyte AB350 gaming 3, Gigabyte AB350 gaming 3 mosfet is better than msi. Other gigabyte B350 mobo havent any proof in vrm list, but due to the model which oledi confirmed, msi for AM4 not a really good choice, just decent only if u looking for vrm.
Anyway, if overclocking with draw more power from cpu vrm and load under long time run, go with lower tier of X370 range is still stand better if can afford more RM2xx budget. F

This post has been edited by eDwanD: May 11 2017, 12:20 AM

which asus board, can be specific?

I was talking about b350 mb's and there are only 2 of them at this time.

https://youtu.be/ZGrxhf_xZWI
You don't understand what I said, see the video which was posted earlier by hairy.
Asus mosfets are better quality and so the VRMs will run cooler than 4+3 Gigabyte. The soc side VRM doesn't have to supply much power so it is relatively unimportant.
Asrock has 6 phases for the cpu side VRM, theres more than 1 method of doubling. The cpu side VRM will run cooler because theres more components to deliver the power.
According to the this german review,
"They run all quite hot, the gigabyte B350 Gaming is the worst, over 110 degrees with a 1800X stock. Biostar up to 100, Asrock over 80. Best ist the Asus B350 with under 80"

Users are reporting >110C ~1.3-1.4V with Gigabyte. 110C might still be within spec but thats not good since there are other nearby components which will be affected badly by high heat. Typically motherboards will throttle or shutdown at around 125C for VRMs.

From HWMonitor, which temp is the VRM reading?

parking

I'm know that soc side didnt consume much for ryzen, its necessarily only for next gen apu. I replied with stated both using onsemi mosfet, didnt talk bout 3 or 2 phase of soc, just fyi, gigabyte not really using a lower end mosfet.

From pic which confirmed revealed i googled, Gigabyte and asus using similar onsemi mosfet, asus using 4C09B+2x 4C06B, and gigabyte using 4C10N+2x 4C06N. But maybe there is batch of mobo using lower quality mosfet, and both mobo using different power phase controller, so is it will impact temp? i m not sure, because i'm found temp imaging in tweaktown for x370 range onli.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRG_LjUl8Q
Accordinng to bullzoder, Asrock does using 6 inductor, but it actually only run in 3 power phase, no doubler, the temp is lower maybe due to 2 inductor per phase. But its only 3 phase.

Anyway, if u need better lifespan, B350 not a really good choice for long run load with high OC, this is the reason i m not recommend B350 range mobo for heavy oc user. From llk experience with his asrock X370 k4 which is lower tier X370 range with 4x2 power phase, exceed 70'c under 1.3v oc.
In the fact, if heavy oc, its not hard to expect around 100 or more than 100 for temp with B350 range mobo.

P/S: stock of ryzen always not really efficiency of volt when heavy load than oc.

This post has been edited by eDwanD: May 12 2017, 09:12 AM

For those potential ryzen buyer if really concern about vrm temp my advice is getting top tier x370 mobo eg asus c6h, asrock taichi or fatality pro, based on my experience for asrock fatality k4 and asus c6h, k4's vrm temp exceeding 70degree at 3.9ghz@1.3v, while asus c6h never exceed 50degree at same oc setting, the vrm components does used does affect alot

It should be quite obvious we are talking about current Ryzen cpus not apus.

You're incorrect, the previous video by buildzoid clearly says that the Asus has better mosfets and what he says is backed up by multiple reviews show the same model numbers so there is no dispute there. The Asus uses the 4c09b which has a better rating than the Gigabyte 4c10n for the high side mosfet. The low side have the same rating for both brands. I've already provided a link which showed a good review showing significant differences in temps. And many users have reported similar high temps.

You clearly missed the part in the video which shows that the Asrock has double the number of high side mosfets of Gigabyte and not just the inductors which will help bring the heat down. Asrock doesn't have a real 9 phase design but the components in the VRM power stages are 9 phase.

The point is not about long term heavy overclocking but your clumsy motherboard rating based on the number of phases.

I used the numbers given by the stock 1800x since if a motherboard cannot handle stock clocks, it will not overclock properly at all.

It can be hard to tell. But you can try comparing the various temps when the pc is idle then run prime95 and see which temps shoot up. Then aim a small fan at the vrms and see which temps go down. You can then make a good guess.

I see, so double of mosfet will decrease of temp, thanks. Anyway, a b350 range mobo can handle overclock properly even with lower tier mosfet because there r lot user of 1700 using B350, ppl commonly wont pair most expensive 1800x with B350 range, just a high temp and may toast ur mobo if full loading in long term use.

stable? no any bug? example bluescreen or can't bootup

No bug. No bluescreen. No bootup issues.

All running perfect. I use Adobe Premiere Pro for video works with it. I play Overwatch, Heroes of the Storm and StarCraft II on it.

Zero hiccups till date, even with 1700 overclocked.

OK la, hiccup / bluescreen only during overclock test - that one don't count.

^ double mosfet will indeed decrease temp one of the reason is due to surface area. Since, you like Gigabyte, they used to have 2oz copper super durable something... can't remember exactly... that's also meant to minimise the resistance from delivery from VRM to CPU socket, this also reducing heat as resistance = heat But I guess Gigabyte no longer selling this, maybe replacing it with RGB LED as it is more obvious to see although it doesn't bring any performance benefit XD

And I agree that most people who buy the 1800x will be most likely pairing it with x370 series mobo instead. However, who know's you might upgrade your CPU in the future when the price is lower as I heard that AM4 would be supported like 4 years; good for cheapskate like me LOL. Though no one could guarantee. https://www.extremetech.com/computing/24225...zes-hard-launch

Nevertheless, I just want to get the most of my budget, most bang for the bucks I don't really bother about the brand.


^ Did you update your BIOS recently? care to share what is your setup? I'm quite curious specifically in the memory department, if you don't mind, kindly share the memory spec (clock/speed/voltage) spec vs actual.
This is my current concern to postpone hahaha... as the RAM price now is hiked, I want to be as closed as the spec it stated LOL

This one's for you.

https://www.facebook.com/goldfries.fanpage/...?type=3&theater

I manually set to 15-17-17-35 with 1.35vdimm as per the specs.

Thanks and that's nice freq and tight latency where did you get this lpx series corsair?
I assumes you use x370 chipset mobo with external memory clock generator / modulator to get that frequency

I didnt bother with brand as well =w= i using asrock taichi due to tweaktown thermal imaging show best temp and vrm quality among current X370 range, i choosing the best performance/bang. The only problem for current asrock taichi is its bios not nice as asrock lower tier X370 gaming K4 range, its bios support is worse than other brand X370 flagship.

For AM4, gigabyte got an advantage is its bios is better than other brand currently,

I didnt like gigabyte @@ The list of am4 vrm i record down just for easy information to others, the 2 oz copper should be the resistor if i m not wrongly.

My main point is at X370 for longer lifespan and future proof using? in theory. B350 seems is a good choice for APU and moderate ryzen oc user, maybe for next gen ryzen as well, if they managed to improve for better efficiency for OC.

Still, if got more budget, run into asrock x370 k4/killer with better overall performance, just cost u more rougly RM200 is a good choice, its always better than B350 range when come to vrm temp.

AMD did promise AM4 platform last for 4 years arch, but still ryzen got some minor issue of bios, especially cant run best performance from ram that their original expected. There r few of OC issue and ram compatibility as well that caused by bios optimization.

As my problem is OCed 3.8 @1.25v stability under aida64 and cinebench, but now suddenly cannot run well, no matter i change to newer bios and get it works 1 times, and failed... the ram corsair vengeance led 3000mhz i bought before ryzen release cannot run initial clocks with taichi.

But overalll, these r minor issue that will frustrated if a user OSD, otherwise, its still a best value of performance/bucks than intel currently.

AMD gave it to us early testers.

X370 - just set the memory speed, and change timings. Nothing fancy.

Good if you're happy on your Ryzen purchase
I shall state my purpose of building the rig as everyone has different needs. My plan for is to utilise it for virtualisation / programming purpose, hence: memory (speed and size) as important as the cpu cores (not to mention storage with good random access performance).
With the situation like this, I'd rather wait. My other alternative is to get X99 intel based system but I need to dig my pocket deeper XD

Nevertheless, it always a good thing to know before making a purchase; whether it is computer or other stuff; and this forum like this has always been a good source of information

thanks, i will get my case and wait for AMD APU


anyone using MSI B350 here?

This post has been edited by jianng: May 13 2017, 11:35 PM

Hi GoldFries im using Ryzen 1700 + motherboard MSI B350 Tomahawk and face some problem, during browse website either firefox/Chrome, the web browser will freezes suddenly(2~3 sec) but thn the mouse still can move and able to click other things such as tabs or windows start, audio remains.

This post has been edited by Feliex: May 14 2017, 04:49 PM

^most likely isn't problem on the cpu or memory or mobo... usually more severe than this...
you can try to change update your gpu driver if still the same try to put other graphic card.

Ok, sorry to tumpang thread

So the takeaway is if I were to go for a b350 mobo, based on this list :-

MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon (4x2+2 nikosemi,unconfirmed) > Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3 (4+3 onsemi) > Asus Prime B-350 Plus (4+2 onsemi) > Biostar B350GT3 (4+3 sinosemi) > MSI B350M Tomahawk~Mortar Arctic (4+2 nikosemi)

Since gigabyte gaming 3 showing high temp, the Asus Prime B-350 Plus would be a better pick? Plan to do some mild overclocking.

Thanks.

Anyone can share your Ryzen 7 CPU temperature during idle?
Mine is around 45C and very unstable sometimes 41C will suddenly jump to 60C in just 1 second. During Aida64 Stress Test my temperature is at 95C. （Room temperature is around 25C aircond ）

Yup, if it's me i go with the Asus Prime B350.. like the video one of the forumers shared, Giga B350 pwms are not as rock solid as their X370 boards.. It's a pity tho, giga b350 gaming 3 was in my radar at first coz it would seem to fit my requirements

Sounds like kabylake chip

Mine is 30 something @3.9Ghz, but with full custom watercooling setup. Previously with the crappy stock cooler also jumping from 40 to 50 something, i think it is quite normal, change the cooler could improved the temperature.

Looks like the place I intend to get the Asus is out of stock Based on the list, further down would be Tomahawk or Asrock? Quite leceh this choosing mobo thingy lol

rextech

walao... seem those youtuber are get paid who say the stock cooler is the best to use >< (maybe their environment temperature is cool ) lol
By the way, can share your watercooling spec?
But ryzen perform really well for content creator especially during export from Adobe Premier Pro

This post has been edited by Feliex: May 15 2017, 07:47 PM