During kv property bull run, those bought early gained was no brainier. Later with aggressive a&p, many were blinded by greed.

Developer is in business to make profit for itself not for buyers.

Masterplan is different from the legally binding commitments to the purchasers which are stated in the SPA. The word 'plan' itself indicate something that may/may not happen in the future.

I believe developers themselves cannot simply change their masterplan without getting approval from local authorities. The only thing that buyers can do is to make their own judgement on whether the masterplan seems viable or not

My point is to understand the risk of masterplans (may change in the future) and make an informed purchase

almost everyone in this forum beh song OSK one... so if u wan an opinion from here... most will ask u to go buy atwater... btw... u buy for own stay or investment?

hahaha... not everyone can ignore easily and filter out stuffs they want...

looks good their emira from the outside... the facilities level landscaping looks decent... passby aeon shah alam sure will saw that....
in this part of PJ... matured already.... investment wise... mostly just hold long for appreciation... but its leasehold... so will depreciate if hold for too long...

keep for rental... yield is not that juicy... but not too bad also in order for you to hold on for good appreciation....

And what about Panorama...
I'm making comparison between PJ Midtown & Panorama now

Would like to hear others' feedback too

What is Ryan and Miho ? some TV actor ?
Never heard before also ..

Maybe Ali Muthu Ah Kau ??

I don't think this make sense, is this consider all this leasehold condo consider as total loss once leasehold pass.

Yes, it might not be in good condition, but will this lead to all condo decreasing in price? Is this means all the condo after 20 years++, 50 years++ will keep depreciating like a car? If follow this logic, this kind of property will not keep increasing the price but keep depreciating?

Are you sure this is the scenario for all high rise building?

Obviously, you cannot sold anything from land, house, condo and anything expiring in leasehold.

Who will go buy a land or condo that is expiring in leasehold with no expectation on renewal? That is why it does not make sense to me if any owner nearer the leasehold expiring date not wanting to renew the property.

Everyone know that, refer to my article above for the fees, the same goes to any property with leasehold title. That is why I said who on earth will want total loss instead of forking out certain amount to renew the leasehold.

Not make sense to me if anyone rather total loss than to renew the ownership of their property.

Your reasoning is weird, if they does not want to renew, they will choose to sell it off instead of total loss for anyone interested on the condo to price in the renewal fees along.

Who will want a total loss after years of cash to buy a condo? Imagine you have any property who is expiring and you can renew the lease, you will reject and wait for total loss instead? Not logic to me!

This no longer related to the developers. Plus this is really political as if Gov or State Gov take the land back to resale to another developer.

Example will be all the upcoming leasehold house which is been offer to be able renew. If the State Gov want to be rich, yes, they could stop all renewing process of leasehold and resell all the high price land but due to political reason, they are reluctant to bear such reputation.

This is the scenario with a if everyone been offer for extend leasehold, a simple maths will show it is the most beneficial. As times goes by, the so called unanimous decision can be translated to majority, who know that every single one need to agree and just majority will do. Those does not agree will lose their ownership when the times come, as easy as that. Maybe at that time, more will be interested to get cheaper property from all this so called people who don't want to extend their leasehold 

I think you are funny, you yourself also not happy till everyone said the same thing, I am discussing something related to this property on the renewal of the leasehold property and here you are the one saying this property is worthless. By the way, do you even aware ryan and miho is leasehold property? That is why this leasehold renewal come out.

Who is the one talking something not related here actually? If you are interested with this property, obviously you will be interested to know the surrounding issue especially on your chances of renewing the leasehold, why on earth will I buy this property if I know this is hopeless property in long term!

This is so funny, you are not interested with lh properties and here you in a leasehold ryan and miho property topic!

elmina, denai alam u can get new freehold landed around that price... not exactly very far from subang PJ though with their direct access to guthrie...

but then for own stay... what means to you currently is the most important... lh and fh may not be that important to them as its something far away into the future especially condos... alot of ppl will upgrade from their initial condo.... and also alot of lh projects actually still selling out as long as the location is right with pricing that suit the lh tag....