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TSkkk8787
post Mar 16 2017, 03:25 PM, updated 9y ago

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Going through many articles, many seem to say mirrorless gonna be the future bla bla.
But going through the forum here i noticed many ppl still stick to dslr, many still looking at new dslr in fact.
Wonder for professionals like u all is it because you all still prefer dslr? For newcomers is it better to get into dslr or mirrorless now. Mirrorless price seems to be on the high side
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post Mar 16 2017, 04:10 PM

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Like you said, now mirror-less more pricey, selection of lenses not that much.

SO, u buy camera to use now or to be used in the future?

This post has been edited by kiasu6: Mar 16 2017, 04:10 PM
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post Mar 16 2017, 04:16 PM

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Personally I moved to a mirrorless camera from a semi pro DSLR due to the weight and size. Previously with the DSLR, I did a few wedding assignments but stopped for a few years. As I am just a hobbyist, I moved to the mirrorless system due to the lighter weight and size..

I mainly shoot landscapes/travel and some portraits

QUOTE(kiasu6 @ Mar 16 2017, 04:10 PM)
Like you said, now mirror-less more pricey, selection of lenses not that much.

SO, u buy camera to use now or to be used in the future?
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We can easily get cheap manual lenses to be used on mirrorless cameras. With focus peaking and focus magnification, manual focusing is much easier than before..
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post Mar 16 2017, 04:19 PM

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Horses for courses, mirrorless is attractive to those who do frequent travelling, or only take pictures during travel, and are fed up with carrying a DSLR with its heavy lenses for the whole trip. Though there are some pretty light primes as well in the DSLR ecosystem.

DSLR gets the job done. Some people prefer the "feel" of mirrorless as it encourages them to shoot more.

In Malaysia, it feels like a lot of people still have this bigger is better kind of mentality, they see you using a big DSLR with those big white zoom lens, they think you pro or picture must be good because of your gear.

Price wise since DSLR has more used options, used lenses and bodies are cheaper than mirrorless equivalent. Comparing new prices, a new XT2 + 56 1.2 is around that same price as a new D750 + 84 1.4g?
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post Mar 16 2017, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Mar 16 2017, 04:16 PM)
Personally I moved to a mirrorless camera from a semi pro DSLR due to the weight and size. Previously with the DSLR, I did a few wedding assignments but stopped for a few years. As I am just a hobbyist, I moved to the mirrorless system due to the lighter weight and size..

I mainly shoot landscapes/travel and some portraits
We can easily get cheap manual lenses to be used on mirrorless cameras. With focus peaking and focus magnification, manual focusing is much easier than before..
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of course you can.

i have a mirrorless and a dslr as well.

but i tend to use more dslr despite the size and weight. why?
for me, i enjoy a wide choices of accessories and lens selection now.

besides, if you landscapes and portraits, maybe you have the time to compose and patiently focus on your subject.
(and traveling, yes size and weight is something to think of)

if you're taking action, wildlife, sports, events. you really do not have the luxury of worrying about your focus.

thats just me and TS kkk8787, you got to mention what you gonna use most about your camera.
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post Mar 16 2017, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(kiasu6 @ Mar 16 2017, 06:04 PM)
of course you can.

i have a mirrorless and a dslr as well.

but i tend to use more dslr despite the size and weight. why?
for me, i enjoy a wide choices of accessories and lens selection now.

besides, if you landscapes and portraits, maybe you have the time to compose and patiently focus on your subject.
(and traveling, yes size and weight is something to think of)

if you're taking action, wildlife, sports, events. you really do not have the luxury of worrying about your focus.

thats just me and TS kkk8787, you got to mention what you gonna use most about your camera.
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going into stressful period of my life, so i was playing with some1's old dslr and gosh i like the fact of playing around with the settings and such. I'm upgrading from point n shoot n phone cam which cant change anything. I need to have control over whataver i shoot . Was looking at d5600 , but just afraid in the future when excitement is gone i wont bring it anywhere. And also sone1 said dslr is actually a near obsolete stuff.
But looking at mirrorless seems i cant find any new ones from canon or sony which is around 2 to 3k plus.
M3 and a6000 so many years d the price seem to increase instead of reduce

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post Mar 16 2017, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Mar 16 2017, 06:10 PM)
going into stressful period of my life, so i was playing with some1's old dslr and gosh i like the fact of playing around with the settings and such. I'm upgrading from point n shoot n phone cam which cant change anything. I need to have control over whataver i shoot . Was looking at d5600 , but just afraid in the future when excitement is gone i wont bring it anywhere. And also sone1 said dslr is actually a near obsolete stuff.
But looking at mirrorless seems i cant find any new ones from canon or sony which is around 2 to 3k plus.
M3 and a6000 so many years d the price seem to increase instead of reduce
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seriously???

who told u near obsolete?? companies still launching new lenses for DSLR...

so many new dslr models still launching as of 2016....

who told u obsolete???

photography is an expensive hobby.
you better think twice and don just hangat hangat tahi ayam. smile.gif
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post Mar 16 2017, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(kiasu6 @ Mar 16 2017, 06:23 PM)
seriously???

who told u near obsolete?? companies still launching new lenses for DSLR...

so many new dslr models still launching as of 2016....

who told u obsolete???

photography is an expensive hobby.
you better think twice and don just hangat hangat tahi ayam. smile.gif
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yupe i scared also thats y took so long to decide.
Ya sorry if i offended anyone. But i got it through forums and such.
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post Mar 16 2017, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Mar 16 2017, 07:35 PM)
yupe i scared also thats y took so long to decide.
Ya sorry if i offended anyone. But i got it through forums and such.
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yeah.. i understand also.. but i really don think dslr is anyway near obsolete yet.

when i first hold a D90, i never look back. sweat.gif

so now u can try look see some beginners dslr but dont rush. find if you really have the passion or not.

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Both are good. so decide ur self what do u expect from ur camera.
For me, using dslr for serious photoshoots and mirrorless for jalan2/travel.
but will use mirrorless for serious photo-shoots in the future.. pelan-pelan laa!

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post Mar 16 2017, 08:43 PM

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My camera history is like ... EP1, x100, D7000, A7, XE2. Doing mostly street, landscape, portrait.

Mirrorless is fully capable of taking serious shots as well, bear in mind. Alot of people are doing weddings with only mirrorless.

A6000 despite being old, still have one really good sensor.

If your use doesn't involve wildlife, sports. go for mirrorless, you won't regret.

Anyway, since you're still new, any camera made within this 10 years will all still be good enough.
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post Mar 16 2017, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Mar 16 2017, 04:16 PM)
Personally I moved to a mirrorless camera from a semi pro DSLR due to the weight and size. Previously with the DSLR, I did a few wedding assignments but stopped for a few years. As I am just a hobbyist, I moved to the mirrorless system due to the lighter weight and size..

I mainly shoot landscapes/travel and some portraits
We can easily get cheap manual lenses to be used on mirrorless cameras. With focus peaking and focus magnification, manual focusing is much easier than before..
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Did u just read my mind ? laugh.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(QiAnG @ Mar 16 2017, 04:19 PM)
Horses for courses, mirrorless is attractive to those who do frequent travelling, or only take pictures during travel, and are fed up with carrying a DSLR with its heavy lenses for the whole trip.

In Malaysia, it feels like a lot of people still have this bigger is better kind of mentality, they see you using a big DSLR with those big white zoom lens, they think you pro or picture must be good because of your gear.

Price wise since DSLR has more used options, used lenses and bodies are cheaper than mirrorless equivalent. Comparing new prices, a new XT2 + 56 1.2 is around that same price as a new D750 + 84 1.4g?
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Well, I don't frequent travel to other places, but due to the nature of my work, I have to travel to most part of the town I'm in. I like the fact that I can always carry my small mirrorless in my bag and take it out to shoot nice flowers(with Raynox DCR macro lens adapted), beautiful sunsets, scenery, people that cross my path with my tiny kit lens that doesn't draw much attention. I did that with a dslr (nikon d7000) before, and it just too big and heavy in my bag, not to mention the attention I was getting from using it.

It's true that people feel bigger is always better, even my Aussie friend felt the same, so not only malaysian folks. nod.gif

XT2......aiyoo....fuji's parang is very sharp no doubt image quality is top notch. For Apsc mirrorless, I think sony is the best compromise between price/performance. Just my opinion though...

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post Mar 18 2017, 02:45 PM

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I read somewhere if the camera is using the same sensor the lens of it shall be almost the same size right?
but how come mirrorless's lens seem shorter
example a6000 is using APS-C, but the kit lens seem shorter than Nikon's DSLR
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Mar 18 2017, 02:45 PM)
I read somewhere if the camera is using the same sensor the lens of it shall be almost the same size right?
but how come mirrorless's lens seem shorter
example a6000 is using APS-C, but the kit lens seem shorter than Nikon's DSLR
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Sensor size has nothing to do with size of lens.
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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Mar 18 2017, 04:05 PM)
Sensor size has nothing to do with size of lens.
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Actually it does. FF sensor tends to have bigger lens cause it needs to produce larger circle of light to cover the sensor. Though on regards to why nikon kit lens is bigger than sony (or any other mirrorless for that matter) despite same sensor size, has got to do with how the lens is designed rather than sensor size. Sony's kit lens is designed with electronic zoom that resets itself everytime the camera is turned off whereas nikon's kit lens have a manual zoom with extended barrel that does not reset. If you look at sony's old 18-55 kit with manual zoom, it's actually also pretty big. Smaller mounting flange may have to do with why most mirrorless lens are small (or slightly smaller) than dslrs, but I haven't seen any discussion on that yet.
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post Mar 18 2017, 04:44 PM

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Distance between mounting point to sensor does affect the lens design.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 18 2017, 04:44 PM)
Distance between mounting point to sensor does affect the lens design.
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That really is up for debate because sony's mirrorless lens size is not that much different from dslr. But again, just my opinion.

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Don't know, don't care. I haven't bought any lens due to size. To me the 'purpose' of the lens outweighs anything.
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Ideally i would have 1 DSLR for serious works, and 1 mirrorless for travel biggrin.gif

I sold off my nikon kit years ago because it's too impractical for travel, which is the majority of what i shoot anyway. how using mirrorless and happy with it. but of course i miss a few things:

- battery life.. for sure need 1 or 2 extra batteries even shooting just for fun
- start-up time. mirrorless will have a few seconds delay compared to DSLR which turn on instantly
- expen$ive. sony lenses generally are on the high side. Also, less used lenses in the market

it's true that once you put on any other lens apart from the kits, the size advantage is minimal. but i really like the flexibility. if i just feel like taking photos for fun, i can slap on the 16-50 and dont really think about it. it's still a major difference compared to any DSLR with a 18-55

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post Mar 19 2017, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Mar 19 2017, 07:54 AM)
Ideally i would have 1 DSLR for serious works, and 1 mirrorless for travel biggrin.gif

I sold off my nikon kit years ago because it's too impractical for travel, which is the majority of what i shoot anyway. how using mirrorless and happy with it. but of course i miss a few things:

- battery life.. for sure need 1 or 2 extra batteries even shooting just for fun
- start-up time. mirrorless will have a few seconds delay compared to DSLR which turn on instantly
- expen$ive. sony lenses generally are on the high side. Also, less used lenses in the market

it's true that once you put on any other lens apart from the kits, the size advantage is minimal. but i really like the flexibility. if i just feel like taking photos for fun, i can slap on the 16-50 and dont really think about it. it's still a major difference compared to any DSLR with a 18-55
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what about the feel ahaha...what mirrorless u r using anyway.
Dslr looks cooler n i like the way it feels in hand n the click sound but ya la, I think it its too heavy for me i might be lazy to bring out.
The kit lens is indeed smaller than dslr kan

This post has been edited by kkk8787: Mar 19 2017, 08:30 AM

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