Hi all sifu,

I want to ask if lets say the unit that i al aiming for is actually on the SAME level as the break tank/water pump (lets call it level 16)

Would that be advisable to take? I am afraid it will make a lot of noise although is not exactly right besidr,but about 1-2 units away only from the break tank. Normally people say dont take above or brlow the break tank... but if same level will it be even noisier?


Alternatively, i could take another unit facing the facilities z 4 floors lower, level 12, but am just afraid the condo facilities view will result in high level of noise as well. But this one has the unit number of 3A... i dont mind the number la, its for own stay.

Pls advise and thanks in advance!

Ps: am looking into a mid-high end condo.

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Means what

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This post has been edited by heavensea: Mar 12 2017, 02:30 AM

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Facilities view even if its noisy it wont be 24/7.

Cant say the same for water tank floor.

If can...i will avoid water tank floor and 1 above amd 1 below.

I also personally dun like 3A. You dun mind doesnt mean yr subsale buyer also wont.....eventually u has to sell rite? Summore 3A no extra discount and i notice most time or not...3A usually ended up in auction....maybe its just a coincidence.

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This post has been edited by heavensea: Mar 12 2017, 08:07 AM

Lol
Thats on every floor la. I'm not that so superstitious plus if i move to number 8, does it mean i gonna be super rich?

Pls talk things that make some common sense bro.

Besides, our country is of multi racial, if u dont like 3A doesnt mean other race or even chinese dont like 3a. If other level unit that give not so nice view, and just buying bcos of the unit number then in big trouble. Not buying car plate leh

There is an older thread about it.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3059843/all

This post has been edited by puchongite: Mar 12 2017, 11:39 AM

Well lower at lvl 12 should be fine..
Don't buy same level as the pump..

dont worry about the noise.
i pass by alot those water tank room (ground floor - residential or offices) and never heard any pump noise thou..
what type of condo facilities you facing? swimming pool/park?
used to live 7 floor high condo facing swimming pool... minimum noise..
unless facing highway.. the higher the better..

Ok

Which means your condo is 7 floor higher than swimming pool or what?

obviously yes

I think the condition and age of the pipes and pump play an important part. Say there is leak and air is always introduced into the pipes or the motor is about to die, then the trouble will be never ending.

Speaking of tanks, is the pump in rainwater harvesting tank room too? Sorry abit noob here.

Good for you, good luck to those 1 floor above sp lol.

how to ask developer where is the water pump? M&E ROOM ?

Yup

i see. so living near to it the concern is about the noise only? nothing danger ?

yea i guess just the noise, u can ask ur agent wheres the water pump located at

Thx for the reply bros.

Level 6 is the facilities. Below all parking. The unit that i actually feel more comfy is level 12, facing facilities. No break tank.

Bcos this is for own stay, and its a mid to high end condo, dont think people who live there are uneducated or what la. Should be ok and make the facilities like sunway lagoon.

Chosing level 16 have two downside... one is too near to another unit right across (bcos of this design, thus less privacy) and also the break tank.

any guidelines that M&E usually located in which floor ?

where are u buying bro?

Roof and midlevel.

Distance between each set of break tanks not exceeding 60m in height.

Will the break tank also serves water distribution to the units below it ? Or the water is served from the highest tank only ?

p/s: what is the implication ?

Eg if the break tank also serves the water distribution to the units below it, say if the break tank is at level 16, then likely the water pressure at floor 15 will be low.

This post has been edited by puchongite: Mar 13 2017, 10:49 AM

You may be right, on level 15 pressure is lower if BT at lvl 16.

Break tank to serve lower floors below it via gravity. Roof tank to serve units below it until mid level, mid level BT to serve levels below it til ground floor/next tank.

These tanks also serve as wet riser water supply.

This post has been edited by xtracooljustin: Mar 13 2017, 11:25 AM

I got a friend living on same floor as break tank, we couldn't hear any noise until we actually opened the door of the water pump. So i think should be no biggie. Then again, maybe China-made pump will be noisier?

BTW the water pump doesn't run 24/7 right?

I think it probably starts based on low level detection and stops after hitting the high level.

So at night the water usage is low, it might not hit low level so often. But who knows, your condo might be populated by late night water users. LOL.

some people prefer close view....
lots of view ya

but this will affect the whole floor isn't it?

if the break tank is to serve units below the level 15 will not experience low pressure. Also normally the water will distribute from the highest tank coz the mid level will be serve as storage tank.

My friend has a unit of condo just below the roof top, and he has low water pressure. Also my double storey house shower upstair also low pressure. Unless use heater with pump.

So normally gravity of just one level is not enough.

Mostly new semi furnished condo , they do free water heater shower with pump function as freebies .

This may help a lot when low water pressure .

Usually break tank will located at middle floor of the tower block , but I don't see any sound insulation for their pump room , and personally feel that not really noisy when they activating .

This post has been edited by Actchan: Mar 13 2017, 09:08 PM

Lot of kids shouting like horror movie lol.

believe me, mid end condo you will hardly hear those water pump operating coz the room insulated quite well with thick RC wall and fire rated door. Do you know how heavy those fire rated door and how good their insulation are?

just buy it. avoid the 3A retard thing. next time if u intend to sell, prepare to sell low.

My unit is opposite water pump room..can hardly hear any noise with the door to the pump room closed
And the pump does not run all the time

Thanks all for the reply!

Sorta decided to go with 3A, level12, reason being:
1. RM10k cheaper than level16, not bcos its 3A but bcos its incremental floor price. Checked out the unit of 13A-11 or 13A-3A are even more expensive than 12-08! Developer is not even giving discounts on those units. Ps, its a top developer in msia.

2. Its about 6 floors higher than facilities. Facing pool but pool is quite car bcos its of 4blocks.

3. I like the unit. If its not 3A, any number i'd not started this thread. Hahah

4. There are total 4blocks, 16 levels in each block which also have 3A, making it 64units in entire project that has 3A. And for that Type of layout, only 3A is facing facilities in all blocks. There's a value there for buyer who like facing facilities.

5. Its for own stay, at least minimum 5-7 years.

6. At Level 16, there are more units bcos there are rm1.4mil duplexes (only family of 4-5 will buy), for sure more peoplep in that floor. Close to 5-6 units more than level 12. But amount of lift is the same. Imagine staying in a hotel floor full with kids, and this one is your home. Gonna be worse than the wading pool.

Wish me goodluck!

Setia trio?

Or ecosky?

This post has been edited by BEANCOUNTER: Mar 14 2017, 02:51 AM

Maybe opposite is better than neighbour ?

If neighbour, the noise/vibration transmitted it over the wall.

If opposite, the noise gets to the wall but insulated by a layer of air ?

this will depend on the height of the tank and also the distance to the outlet.

As long as dont find dead body in there good dy....lol

Yes because my unit is seperated from the water pump unit and i have slightly more privacy as my front door is not facing another unit's door
Not sure about unit next to water pump though..it is supposed to have double wall for insulation

Oh really ? The break tank/pump room is mandated to be double walled ?

Not sure whether it is a regulation or not but that what the SA told me
I assume developers will be smart enough to have adequate sound proofing for neighbouring water pump units

From SA and assume. LOL.

Hello,

Would like to seek advice from people who are staying near break tank, how bad is the noise / vibration when it is functioning? If got a unit right opposite the break tank, what are the risk that the homeowner should prepare to face?

Thank you.

Hi Boonyu ,

I have a unit which at 3 level below from the breaktank but still exposed to noise every hour and every second . You will experinces the noise from pump like humming sound and water flow sound or bangging sound from the pump room if the room not have proper treatment . the water pump will running 24 hour due to high usage for whole building so the noise will not stop and if the pump room without noise and vibration treatment , you will possible will listen the humming noise from pump room every second . The low frequency vibration generate from pump will transfer the noise to the near by unit follow the wall structure and if long term exposure will cause the health issue such like sleeping disturb and hypertention .

As you said the breaktank opposite the parcel unit , so you need to see the exhaust fan location as well , the exhaust fan also could generate noise in the corridor if position on the corridor .

Of course this is depend the quality of developer . If they have proper treatment the room and consider the noise and vibration issue most of time should be no issue when select the near by breaktank .

Hope this advise will enough for you and answer your question .

And no way to guarantee the noise insulation until handover. Whatever verbal promises are just empty promises.

Wow, appreciate the insight for this. Yeah my concern is the noise and vibration cause my break tank and I am not sure whether to consider the unit or not.

Thank you

Hi Boonyu ,

You may check details with developer whether they have do sound proof and vibration design for break tank room or not and sound test during commissioning . As for your information , the vibration could delivery into structure if the pump not proper isolated as well . In safety term we call as structure boned noise and if over certain limit of vibration will cause building cracking issue in future .

How about right above "break tank"?

Hi, I was wondering what is the best solution to this problem? Is there a soundproofing contractor we can hire? Somebody whom could install a layer of wall / tile /fiberglass on to all walls in the condo / ceiling to reduce this low frequency noise vibration? Im very eager to know..

Now many condo place the pump room at ground floor, u have at least 4-5 levels of carpark to dampen the noise

unless it's low cost flat then they resort to use cheap low powered pump that have to be placed at higher floor

my project has 42 storey and pump room is at ground floor. no problem with water pressure for those at level 40 and above

Hi core9design , the best way is mitigation of pump room or put the pump room at level group and far from residential area . As a lot of residential high rise building development will select one of residential unit as break tank if the building are high level and developer would like to saving the cost of pump due to use less power pump and smaller size pump . however some of developer forget noise treatment the pump room is much expensive than purchased quality pump . If really experiences the noise disturbance from pump room , could refer to building acoustic consultant to get solution and they will find the noise path generated from pump room . The type of noise have to measure which are air borne noise or structure borne noise generated from pump and piping which attached on the structure of building . Once identify the path of noise , than need to isolated the noise transmitted out of from pump room . Few engineering action can adopt in control the noise path such as install vibration isolator on piping and pump to avoid vibration transmit into building . This could solve the structure borne noise . Air borne noise could resolve with install with sound barrier like sound proof layer at wall to absorb noise wave generate from pump and avoid the sound wave reflect to other area . My advise is find the noise source than identify and isolate it . If you need more details on noise and vibration control , you may can refer DOSH noise and vibration guidelines as for references .

Hi Michael , I agreed with you , the pump room should place on ground floor far from residential area . Some more a lot pump efficiency have been improve a lot which can perform without break cistern anymore . However this depend design and knowledge from architect and consultant , i have saw some luxuries high price project also have include design of break tank .

Fishlanger giving really good insight

We agent propose client also at least two floor away from water tank unless it’s really no choice.
I heard some tenant complain before, his unit beside water tank, he move out within a month as can’t bear the sound

Same to highest level as worry on leaking issues

Hi Jonathan ,

This is the truth where the unit under the pump will expose to noise if the noise and vibration which not are proper isolated . Especially the water pump will running 24 hour is like the vacuum cleaner will humming behind of you 24 hour . This is will cause of serious sleep disturbance especially those family who have early born baby will more suffer in this kind of environment . The noise propagation is depend the quality of building and thickness of floor. For your understanding the structure of building is connected , those vibration and noise will transfer pump noise into building and can propagation more than 6 level if you unit are direct under the pump location . No matter how break tank pump room far from your unit as building is connected by structure and wall , the noise still can transfer into your unit . The noise and vibration is form by energy and the energy will reduce after filter few layer by floor , however this depend the density and harness of floor whether can fully reduce the noise and vibration energy . If unable reduce the noise and vibration than most properly will effected and facing noise nuisance .

Vibration could lead to crack issue , if the building are expose under steady state vibration and short term vibration from environment if building which not proper design by arkitek and civil engineer . This situation such like some gravel put into small river after few year or certain year the surface of gravel will become smooth due to friction of water between with gravel surface . The building exposure in vibration will be same , seem like ok from initial stage but after few year the internal crack in structure will appear .

Sorry maybe my english mislead.
I totally agree with u. I really dont like either. I agree with u bro !

Hi if a Unit is directly above a break tank, will there be noise problems? Thanks!

If your unit on top of break tank , you may have chances expose to noise disturbance from pump also . If have other option try no select the unit same row with break tank .

The noise will transfer the noise through the structure wall as all unit is connected . For my experiences the noise can travel above 6 unit and below 6 unit from break tank room if the pump room does not have proper acoustic room Treatment , proper vibration isolation on equipment and inadequate floor thickness to absorb the vibration .

Of course , This is depend your luck if your building have designed by experiences consultant or architect with this area knowledge .

I’ve seen more negative than positive comments about units below or near water tank in multiple threads by now.

Does it mean people staying in those units in so many condos in KL have been bearing with these noise and vibration everyday? Just seem odd to me.

If this is the case, owners would have complained and authority should require an empty unit below break tank in all new condo projects?