EDIT: edited entire post complete with specs of everything.... this is
gonna be LONG planning to do it this saturday.

EDIT: forgot to mention that my box aint big. not sure of size...but imagine a kelisa boot. and the box can fit nicely in between the 2 rear speakers.

hi guys....i need some help deciding on a subwoofer. i was offered these 3
subs with the following prices

- Kicker Comp VR (RM550) (the black colour one )
*specs that i can find (not sure correct or not):*
Product Features

* mica-filled polymineral cone
* Santoprene rubber surround
* dual 4-ohm voice coils for wiring flexibility
* frequency response 25-500 Hz
* power range 50-400 watts RMS (200 watts RMS per coil)

Technical Details

* Model: CVR12
* Item Package Quantity: 1
* speaker_type: Car subwoofer driver
* speakers_nominal_output_power: 400 Watts
* speakers_maximum_output_power: 800 Watts
* speaker_amplification_type: Passive
* speaker_connectivity: Wired
* Vehicle Speaker Size: 12-inch
* Warranty: 1 year warranty

but on woofer it states
600w peak
200w rms
Dual 4ohm


- MTX (model RT12-44) (RM600) (black colour one)

Description 12" Subwoofer
Impedance Dual 4 ohm
Frequency Response 33 - 150Hz
RMS Power (Watts) 200
Rec. RMS Amplifier Power (Watts) 100 - 200
Voice Coil 1.5"
Magnet Weight (oz.) 35
Mounting Depth 5-1/2"
Cut Out Diameter 11-1/8"
Sealed Enclosure Net Volume 1.07ft3
Vented Enclosure Net Volume 1.2ft3
Port Dimensions (Round Port) 4" dia x 14"L
Speaker Displacement .05ft3


- Alpine Type R (RM650) (model SWR-1221D)

* Dual 2ohm DVC
* Peak Power: 1000W
* RMS Power: 300W
* Frequency Response: 24Hz - 1kHz
* Dual Progressive Nomex Spiders
* High Excursion 1" Santroprene Edge
* Custom Cast Aluminum Frame
* Air-Flow Optimised Dual Flare Pole Vent
* Kevlar Reinforced Pulp Cone
* Extra Length Extended Pole
* Magnetically Optimised Motor Structure
* Integrated Tinsel Lead Design
* Designed and Engineered in the USA


as u can see the price difference aint much. soooo...i need u guys to tell
me which is best for me.

the sub will be paired with an Agako EG-2000D Monoblock amp and will be
used to listen to METAL \nn/. specs of the amp are as follows:

EG-2000D
Mono block 4 ohm / 2ohm /1 ohm operational
Balanced low input jack
Line out (pass through)
Variable low pass filter 24dB / oct (40 ~ 230Hz)
Variable bass boost at 60Hz (0 ~ 18dB)
Protection circuit for Thermal, Sp Short, DC Reverse & DC Offset

this is the specs for the Agako XT-3000D, which according to the
fellers at Agako Electronics, are exactly the same as the EG-2000D...except
for some minor
difference in the Frequency Response. specs in above remains the same.

Frequency Response 15Hz~250KHz
RMS power at 4 OHM Stereo 350W
RMS power at 2 OHM Stereo 700W
RMS power at 1 OHM Stereo 1200W
Max Power 1500W
T.H.D 0.1%
Input Sensitivity 200mV~4V
Input Impedance 10K ohms
Damping Factor >200
S/N Ratio 100dB


i need something that lasts meaning can take a good beating.

one more thing...was also checking out the Alpine DDDrive 12" (DDW F30A). cant seem to find specs online. mebbe coz its a discontinued model? any thoughts on this one? heard that the DDDrive are quite legendary.

This post has been edited by mADmAN: Mar 7 2007, 10:12 AM

agree with alpine type-r... till you can update with the mtx model... i might change my mind...

as for the kicker... well dun fancy them cuz they like big boxes... and dun sound so good for me...

cheers....

do u even consider polk momo? if interest can let me know....got some model here..hahahhaa

fui yoh...

polk momo worhh.. wats the price range like? he he

may i know those soundstream x-stream series stands where?

I had seen two version which is Blue colour one cost rm 380 (300w RMS) 12" and the other is 12" RM 780 red colour...

soundsteam for SQ....ts want boom boom boom d....heheee

so soundstream goes SQL, you mean the bass impact is more clean?

okie boys and girls... first post edited with models and specs of each woofer and also specs of muh amp.

and yeah...gonna need it for SPL since ill be needing the boom boom boom for Metal \nn/

so gimme ur votes, thoughts, opinions.

thanks again guys

not really so expensive than most ppl think

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Added on March 7, 2007, 11:31 amthe black cvr should be 2004/5 model
2006 model are crome in color...which the spec 400rms/800peak is the 2006 model

This post has been edited by howiechoo: Mar 7 2007, 11:31 AM

that is not correct

madman,
my vote goes to MTX

Jackhammer la....

Jackhammer? Cannot la.. It need at least 6 piece of 1000watts true amplifier to support this woofer.. I forget this woofer need how many watts to support it. I saw it at Pimp My Ride tv show.

that sub looks nice nia
it doesn't really sound nice
totally outta control

cmon guys.....anymore votes on the woofers i posted?

count so far...

4 for Type R (3 from AW forum)
1 for MTX

anymore

+1 for type r

MTX better !

okie boys and girls....just got back from doing the sub thingy.

went for the Type R.

although i preferred the Type S @2ohm...i was worried about burning the sub coz even for a short test can smell something liao.

tested the Type R at 4ohm with some tweaking and yummy. so decided to go to the safe side



**total spent on ICE so far RM9370 **

This post has been edited by mADmAN: Mar 10 2007, 06:19 PM

bro..post some pics...it would be nice

bro RM9370 include all the above in ur signature?

Alpine CDA-9833
Prokick 75w RMS x 4 channel
- Front : Alpine Type 'S' 6 1/2" Components *With Stinger RCA cables & Stinger speaker cables
- Rear : Force Ten 6 1/2" Components *With cheapo RCA cables & Stinger speaker cables
Agako EG-2000D Monoblock
- Alpine Type 'R' 12" Sub (SWR-1221D) in custom sealed enclosure @ 4 ohm *With Stinger RCA cables & Stinger speaker cables

My advice bro, stop going to that shop you spend your money at and look for others. Almost RM10k for all that is... questionable.

I had a PHD2200 (200w x 2), JL W3v2 sub, Alpine 9855, Alpine MRD605 (600 x 1 at 2ohm), Helix Competition A2 amp (150w x 2), Dynaudio 240MKII comp speakers, Phoenix Gold Zeropoint RCAs and full Stinger speaker cables. All new and paid just slightly above RM11K

RM1000 more than you only leh.

But aiya.. nevermind. End of the day it just boils down to whether you like the sound it produces or not.

This post has been edited by izso: Mar 14 2007, 02:11 PM

the total is inclusive of all parts currently in use AND also all parts that died/ upgraded/ changed/ reworked etc etc etc.

if the parts in my sig (in use) only then itll be significantly less....

i aint insane enough to be overpaying for anything ler

This post has been edited by mADmAN: Mar 14 2007, 02:28 PM

just wondering y dun u save ur $$ n upgrade it 1 shot instead of keep changing and upgrading...with the amount of RM9K +++, u deserve much more better ICE compare to wat u having now..

just my 2 cents

wit 9k u can get pretty decent home hifi also.

i know....simple reason being itchy... this subwoofer thing oso because my woofer pecah liao. so needed to change

actually...most of the extra cash was because of changing this and that... this is my 5th woofer liao...still havent found the right/ workable combo yet. been having problems with the woofer setup coz of amp & woofer mismatching causing burns and pecah and bla bla bla

actually i dont really mind the total ive spent... coz its not like i spent all of it in one go... the whole thing is over a period of 3 years. a few here and there added together kinda thing...so not so bad.

@koniglee
im not bothered with home hifi...im pretty happy with my current HTPC + Edifier R501 MK-II. no intentions of changing/ upgrading them.

id rather spend on upgrading my headphone setup as i use that the most.

This post has been edited by mADmAN: Mar 14 2007, 03:20 PM

wahlau.. jaga ur poor woofers a bit more la.. hehe.

get the impedance right and don't crank the gain up too much on the amp. Match it with the HU volume and voila.. the perfect bass. Well.. for me anyway

and seriously, if u had said ur sig was worth 9k, i loan u my big stick u go beat your installer.

ahahahahhaha....running muh woofer at 4ohms now. dun dare run at 2ohms...last i did that with my alphasonik woofer the damn thing started smoking in less than 2 minutes!! which is the cause of the pecah and the change to type R oso la

even the type S @ 2ohm oso started smelling something after a short test. so i guess 4ohm is the best for now...

gain on amp is not that high...around 1/4 only if i remember correctly...actually planning on lowering it a lil more.. this Agako im using has HUGE amounts of power man

problem with listening to metal...the boom boom level on diff songs can differentiate ALOT. current setting might be nice for this song but may be too little or too much for another...heh. dont really have the time to get it right yet.

This post has been edited by mADmAN: Mar 14 2007, 03:27 PM

Bro, that's not a lot of power leh. Are you sure you're wiring it up correctly? I was using the Orion HCCA 250G4, the power at 1ohm was 800w (underrated, estimated to be at 900+w) and my sub was running on it fine. The max for my old sub was 300w only and RMS was 150w.

I seriously suggest you look see how you are setting up the amp and all before you try another sub. Smoking it that fast is really bad for health! (the wallet health)

5th woofer?? really pure SPL kaki

bad for wallet? tell me about it

amp is wired as per normal lor. i cant really remember the settings of the damn thing but have to take off seat to check. its the woofer wiring...could be the bridging la...dunno...

but so far if i run on 4ohm the woofer has a higher chance of surviving the puches i give it. so ill leave it for now la.

been thinking of taking off the seat to tweak the amp...but really no time ler sigh

well.. taking the seat is cheaper than replacing the sub all the time. Agako or whatever amp should be stable enough to deliver that kind of power at that impedence. Type R and Type S are very easy subs to power up. And I feel it's a waste you're underutilizing your amp like that.

Maybe one day we'll meet up and I'll fiddle with the wiring, Kelisa isn't too hard to mess with. I've dismantled my entire Kelisa before. Hehe

cool dude.... i wouldnt mind ur help with the wiring

would be nice to meet up with another ICEr

ohh bro how bout fiddle with the wiring for an old junk wira? i suspect wira also isn't to hard to mess also

Sure can. Wira or Kelisa, no problemo!

so good..2 BK whooper for u

aiyah...all this talk...when wanna meet???

Anytime la. But best time is on Sunday.

Where you two located? I can go PJ. The only thing we need is tools, a place to DIY (preferably shaded) and lots of patience.

Oh btw madman - you still have the manual for your Agako?

can come my house la like that...my garage is shaded...

manual for the agako is missing... cant remember where i put it

still ask me where am i located??

hmm maybe u forgot lioa..anyway i will wait u at BK damansara coming fri...will be wearing a WAC t-shirt.. kekeke

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Added on March 20, 2007, 2:18 pmur house at PJ area??

This post has been edited by ccc8910: Mar 20 2007, 02:18 PM

Cool.. it's set then. but choose a nice date. this coming month end is qing bing so may clash with prayers and all

yep...muh house is in PJ...

but someone need to bring tools and some parts if needed.

and of course sunday is the best option for me too. and this month may not work out well for me oso...april has slightly better chances

fuyoo seefu is here to give advise too ka? u are really a good seefu go everywhere also doing charity!

warr tohsan also here...ppl in lowyat c ur signature also run lioa

I oni follow Seefu Izso advice,he is my good seefu and i m a very obedient disciple

Eh.. I cannot escape from the clutches of the great Alpine F1 snake poison king tai kor tohsan!

And seefu my ass. I haven't even audited your car before!

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Added on March 21, 2007, 2:59 pmCool then. We meet in april la? Heh

This post has been edited by izso: Mar 21 2007, 02:59 PM

hahahaha thank you Seefu for the compliment

i havent got the chance to listen to tohsan F1 setup

pasar malam setup nothing to shout about, i haven't got chance to audit Youngman car also

F1 consider pasar malam? war..den mine is baby toys lioa ... hmmYoungman arr? havent got chance to meet him in real person yet

I mean i play pasar cd in my HU too, no need expensive cd, as long as the recording clear its all right with me. Those audiophile cd is very very chun too, CD-rama have a lot of them for sale.

Back to topic:

my suggestion for 12 inch subwoofer is my all the time favourite JL W7!

This post has been edited by Tohsan: Mar 21 2007, 08:55 PM

looks like it

already bought the 12" Type R

Not so many ppl as rich as you le

Type R got really nice bass!

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Added on March 22, 2007, 9:09 amu think the sub cost RM30K meh? don tell me whole life u can only earn RM3k for life.

This post has been edited by Tohsan: Mar 22 2007, 09:09 AM

izso selling his JL W3V2 ar?

Erm.. yeah. But not suitable for the fella la. And erm.. who are you?

who am I? - Jacky Chan

i dont know you
you dont know me
but i saw your thread on other ICE forums

dont worry, im just a newbie stalker, will do no harm to sifu

O_o

Wahlau.. I got myself my very own stalker.

Madman - so have you burnt your type R so far? Hehehe

my type r is still running fine man

havent smelled anything yet...

anyway...u guys figure out a date for april la...and ill see if it suits me... i just found out that april gonna be a busy with work month for me..... still might be able to make ti but depends when oso la...

if im not mistaken mid april should be fine.

ur fan that one!

madman - ok will do. I might be quite busy myself.

tohsan - wah.. I am your greatest fan! Full Alpine F1!

my one is ice kacang oni compare to your experience in upgrading ice,i m totally no match to u.

This post has been edited by Tohsan: Apr 4 2007, 09:51 AM

whao, F#1 also ice kacang
what can be possibly better

in comparison to your setup
mine is just a small nut on top of the ice kacang

audio note ongaku definately can tapao F#1!

This post has been edited by Tohsan: Apr 4 2007, 02:05 PM