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TSmADmAN
post Mar 5 2007, 12:43 PM, updated 19y ago

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EDIT: edited entire post complete with specs of everything.... this is
gonna be LONG biggrin.gif planning to do it this saturday.

EDIT: forgot to mention that my box aint big. not sure of size...but imagine a kelisa boot. and the box can fit nicely in between the 2 rear speakers.

hi guys....i need some help deciding on a subwoofer. i was offered these 3
subs with the following prices

- Kicker Comp VR (RM550) (the black colour one tongue.gif)
*specs that i can find (not sure correct or not):*
Product Features

* mica-filled polymineral cone
* Santoprene rubber surround
* dual 4-ohm voice coils for wiring flexibility
* frequency response 25-500 Hz
* power range 50-400 watts RMS (200 watts RMS per coil)

Technical Details

* Model: CVR12
* Item Package Quantity: 1
* speaker_type: Car subwoofer driver
* speakers_nominal_output_power: 400 Watts
* speakers_maximum_output_power: 800 Watts
* speaker_amplification_type: Passive
* speaker_connectivity: Wired
* Vehicle Speaker Size: 12-inch
* Warranty: 1 year warranty

but on woofer it states
600w peak
200w rms
Dual 4ohm


- MTX (model RT12-44) (RM600) (black colour one)

Description 12" Subwoofer
Impedance Dual 4 ohm
Frequency Response 33 - 150Hz
RMS Power (Watts) 200
Rec. RMS Amplifier Power (Watts) 100 - 200
Voice Coil 1.5"
Magnet Weight (oz.) 35
Mounting Depth 5-1/2"
Cut Out Diameter 11-1/8"
Sealed Enclosure Net Volume 1.07ft3
Vented Enclosure Net Volume 1.2ft3
Port Dimensions (Round Port) 4" dia x 14"L
Speaker Displacement .05ft3


- Alpine Type R (RM650) (model SWR-1221D)

* Dual 2ohm DVC
* Peak Power: 1000W
* RMS Power: 300W
* Frequency Response: 24Hz - 1kHz
* Dual Progressive Nomex Spiders
* High Excursion 1" Santroprene Edge
* Custom Cast Aluminum Frame
* Air-Flow Optimised Dual Flare Pole Vent
* Kevlar Reinforced Pulp Cone
* Extra Length Extended Pole
* Magnetically Optimised Motor Structure
* Integrated Tinsel Lead Design
* Designed and Engineered in the USA


as u can see the price difference aint much. soooo...i need u guys to tell
me which is best for me.

the sub will be paired with an Agako EG-2000D Monoblock amp and will be
used to listen to METAL \nn/. specs of the amp are as follows:

EG-2000D
Mono block 4 ohm / 2ohm /1 ohm operational
Balanced low input jack
Line out (pass through)
Variable low pass filter 24dB / oct (40 ~ 230Hz)
Variable bass boost at 60Hz (0 ~ 18dB)
Protection circuit for Thermal, Sp Short, DC Reverse & DC Offset

this is the specs for the Agako XT-3000D, which according to the
fellers at Agako Electronics, are exactly the same as the EG-2000D...except
for some minor
difference in the Frequency Response. specs in above remains the same.

Frequency Response 15Hz~250KHz
RMS power at 4 OHM Stereo 350W
RMS power at 2 OHM Stereo 700W
RMS power at 1 OHM Stereo 1200W
Max Power 1500W
T.H.D 0.1%
Input Sensitivity 200mV~4V
Input Impedance 10K ohms
Damping Factor >200
S/N Ratio 100dB


i need something that lasts meaning can take a good beating.

one more thing...was also checking out the Alpine DDDrive 12" (DDW F30A). cant seem to find specs online. mebbe coz its a discontinued model? any thoughts on this one? heard that the DDDrive are quite legendary.

This post has been edited by mADmAN: Mar 7 2007, 10:12 AM
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post Mar 5 2007, 09:54 PM

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agree with alpine type-r... till you can update with the mtx model... i might change my mind...

as for the kicker... well dun fancy them cuz they like big boxes... and dun sound so good for me...

cheers....
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post Mar 5 2007, 10:01 PM

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do u even consider polk momo? if interest can let me know....got some model here..hahahhaa
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post Mar 5 2007, 11:02 PM

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fui yoh...

polk momo worhh.. wats the price range like? he he tongue.gif
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post Mar 5 2007, 11:28 PM

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may i know those soundstream x-stream series stands where?

I had seen two version which is Blue colour one cost rm 380 (300w RMS) 12" and the other is 12" RM 780 red colour...
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post Mar 6 2007, 10:45 PM

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soundsteam for SQ....ts want boom boom boom d....heheee
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post Mar 6 2007, 11:32 PM

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so soundstream goes SQL, you mean the bass impact is more clean?
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post Mar 7 2007, 10:09 AM

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okie boys and girls... first post edited with models and specs of each woofer and also specs of muh amp.

and yeah...gonna need it for SPL since ill be needing the boom boom boom for Metal \nn/

so gimme ur votes, thoughts, opinions.

thanks again guys
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post Mar 7 2007, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(mattchin @ Mar 5 2007, 11:02 PM)
fui yoh...

polk momo worhh.. wats the price range like? he he tongue.gif
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not really so expensive than most ppl think


Added on March 7, 2007, 11:31 am
QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 5 2007, 12:43 PM)
EDIT: edited entire post complete with specs of everything.... this is
gonna be LONG biggrin.gif planning to do it this saturday.

EDIT: forgot to mention that my box aint big. not sure of size...but imagine a kelisa boot. and the box can fit nicely in between the 2 rear speakers.

hi guys....i need some help deciding on a subwoofer. i was offered these 3
subs with the following prices

- Kicker Comp VR (RM550) (the black colour one tongue.gif)
*specs that i can find (not sure correct or not):*
Product Features

    * mica-filled polymineral cone
    * Santoprene rubber surround
    * dual 4-ohm voice coils for wiring flexibility
    * frequency response 25-500 Hz
    * power range 50-400 watts RMS (200 watts RMS per coil)

Technical Details

    * Model: CVR12
    * Item Package Quantity: 1
    * speaker_type: Car subwoofer driver
  * speakers_nominal_output_power: 400 Watts
    * speakers_maximum_output_power: 800 Watts

    * speaker_amplification_type: Passive
    * speaker_connectivity: Wired
    * Vehicle Speaker Size: 12-inch
    * Warranty: 1 year warranty

but on woofer it states
600w peak
200w rms
Dual 4ohm
- MTX (model RT12-44) (RM600) (black colour one)

Description  12" Subwoofer
Impedance  Dual 4 ohm
Frequency Response  33 - 150Hz
RMS Power (Watts)  200
Rec. RMS Amplifier Power (Watts)  100 - 200
Voice Coil  1.5"
Magnet Weight (oz.)  35
Mounting Depth  5-1/2"
Cut Out Diameter  11-1/8"
Sealed Enclosure Net Volume  1.07ft3
Vented Enclosure Net Volume  1.2ft3
Port Dimensions (Round Port)  4" dia x 14"L
Speaker Displacement  .05ft3
- Alpine Type R (RM650) (model SWR-1221D)

* Dual 2ohm DVC
* Peak Power: 1000W
* RMS Power: 300W
* Frequency Response: 24Hz - 1kHz
* Dual Progressive Nomex Spiders
* High Excursion 1" Santroprene Edge
* Custom Cast Aluminum Frame
* Air-Flow Optimised Dual Flare Pole Vent
* Kevlar Reinforced Pulp Cone
* Extra Length Extended Pole
* Magnetically Optimised Motor Structure
* Integrated Tinsel Lead Design
* Designed and Engineered in the USA
as u can see the price difference aint much. soooo...i need u guys to tell
me which is best for me.

the sub will be paired with an Agako EG-2000D Monoblock amp and will be
used to listen to METAL \nn/. specs of the amp are as follows:

EG-2000D
Mono block 4 ohm / 2ohm /1 ohm operational
Balanced low input jack
Line out (pass through)
Variable low pass filter 24dB / oct (40 ~ 230Hz)
Variable bass boost at 60Hz (0 ~ 18dB)
Protection circuit for Thermal, Sp Short, DC Reverse & DC Offset

this is the specs for the Agako XT-3000D, which according to the
fellers at Agako Electronics, are exactly the same as the EG-2000D...except
for some minor
difference in the Frequency Response. specs in above remains the same.

Frequency Response 15Hz~250KHz
RMS power at 4 OHM Stereo 350W
RMS power at 2 OHM Stereo 700W
RMS power at 1 OHM Stereo 1200W
Max Power 1500W
T.H.D 0.1%
Input Sensitivity 200mV~4V
Input Impedance 10K ohms
Damping Factor >200
S/N Ratio 100dB
i need something that lasts meaning can take a good beating.

one more thing...was also checking out the Alpine DDDrive 12" (DDW F30A). cant seem to find specs online. mebbe coz its a discontinued model? any thoughts on this one? heard that the DDDrive are quite legendary.
*
the black cvr should be 2004/5 model
2006 model are crome in color...which the spec 400rms/800peak is the 2006 model

This post has been edited by howiechoo: Mar 7 2007, 11:31 AM
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post Mar 7 2007, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(cky6667 @ Mar 6 2007, 10:45 PM)
soundsteam for SQ....ts want boom boom boom d....heheee
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that is not correct yawn.gif yawn.gif yawn.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

madman,
my vote goes to MTX
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post Mar 7 2007, 08:08 PM

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Jackhammer la....
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post Mar 7 2007, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(loon1031 @ Mar 7 2007, 08:08 PM)
Jackhammer la....
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Jackhammer? Cannot la.. It need at least 6 piece of 1000watts true amplifier to support this woofer.. I forget this woofer need how many watts to support it. I saw it at Pimp My Ride tv show.
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post Mar 8 2007, 03:18 PM

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that sub looks nice nia
it doesn't really sound nice
totally outta control
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post Mar 8 2007, 04:10 PM

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cmon guys.....anymore votes on the woofers i posted?

count so far...

4 for Type R (3 from AW forum)
1 for MTX

anymore
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post Mar 9 2007, 05:21 PM

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+1 for type r
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post Mar 10 2007, 10:01 AM

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MTX better !
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post Mar 10 2007, 06:16 PM

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okie boys and girls....just got back from doing the sub thingy.

went for the Type R. biggrin.gif

although i preferred the Type S @2ohm...i was worried about burning the sub coz even for a short test can smell something liao.

tested the Type R at 4ohm with some tweaking and yummy. so decided to go to the safe side

thumbup.gif

**total spent on ICE so far RM9370 cry.gif moneyflies.gif cry.gif**

This post has been edited by mADmAN: Mar 10 2007, 06:19 PM
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post Mar 11 2007, 01:36 PM

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bro..post some pics...it would be nice
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 10 2007, 06:16 PM)
okie boys and girls....just got back from doing the sub thingy.

went for the Type R. biggrin.gif

although i preferred the Type S @2ohm...i was worried about burning the sub coz even for a short test can smell something liao.

tested the Type R at 4ohm with some tweaking and yummy. so decided to go to the safe side

thumbup.gif

**total spent on ICE so far RM9370 cry.gif moneyflies.gif cry.gif**
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bro RM9370 include all the above in ur signature?

Alpine CDA-9833
Prokick 75w RMS x 4 channel
- Front : Alpine Type 'S' 6 1/2" Components *With Stinger RCA cables & Stinger speaker cables
- Rear : Force Ten 6 1/2" Components *With cheapo RCA cables & Stinger speaker cables
Agako EG-2000D Monoblock
- Alpine Type 'R' 12" Sub (SWR-1221D) in custom sealed enclosure @ 4 ohm *With Stinger RCA cables & Stinger speaker cables

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post Mar 14 2007, 02:08 PM

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My advice bro, stop going to that shop you spend your money at and look for others. Almost RM10k for all that is... questionable.

I had a PHD2200 (200w x 2), JL W3v2 sub, Alpine 9855, Alpine MRD605 (600 x 1 at 2ohm), Helix Competition A2 amp (150w x 2), Dynaudio 240MKII comp speakers, Phoenix Gold Zeropoint RCAs and full Stinger speaker cables. All new and paid just slightly above RM11K

RM1000 more than you only leh.

But aiya.. nevermind. End of the day it just boils down to whether you like the sound it produces or not.

This post has been edited by izso: Mar 14 2007, 02:11 PM

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