From the article:

"A genuine crack for Windows Vista has just been released by pirate group Pantheon (this is wrong, it's Paradox) which allows a pirated, non-activated installation of Vista (Home Basic/Premium and Ultimate) to be properly activated and made fully-operational."

apcmag.com

Paradox group

Also called 'OEM BIOS Emulation Toolkit For Microsoft Windows Vista X86'.

This post has been edited by havuk: Mar 5 2007, 04:36 AM

Just read this news few hour ago. Pity MS, this is how secure Bill said about Vista.

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Source: IsanelyMac

This post has been edited by youngkies: Mar 5 2007, 04:47 AM

guess Paradox rules again....
i've remember hacker's team called 'Cult of the Dead Cow' long time ago... hackers/crackers wont die yet lol

Love the funky midis they play in their 'programs'

And by security I think Bill Gates was referring to those viruses and trojans. They actually don't mind the software getting cracked as long as they maintain market share.

This post has been edited by seveneleven: Mar 5 2007, 08:14 AM

Paradox roxxx

Discuss on the:
- Ethical issues
- Effort of the warez team vs Microsoft
- etc

Not on
- Where to get the crack
- Whether or not you are using it

Apart of that, Gates did challenge/dare those hackers to find hole in the system when it was released (read that in UK news long ago). I guess now, Gates kind of *drop glasses* !

wow. this is gonna burn a large hole in MS's profits. but serves them right anyway for overpriced stuff.

I have a feeling they will come up with a solution tho.

Not only this..
I came across a site which claimed they cracked vista activation by a simple VB code that generate a string of key to activate Vista (much like password finder keygen).

speakin of cracked MS... is there cracked version of Apples PC? Mac

Does Mac even require activation?

This post has been edited by seveneleven: Mar 5 2007, 08:52 AM

apple uses secret built in checking to determine if its being installed on a PC or mac.

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Added on March 5, 2007, 8:53 amapple uses secret built in checking to determine if its being installed on a PC or mac.

This post has been edited by Joey-kun: Mar 5 2007, 08:53 AM

yup.. there is pirated version of OS X to work in PC.

Shoots, i just an OEM version. Should wait for this..Hehe

i thought the timestop crack from China was the first? Well, it doesn't activate properly like Paradox claims, but since the timer is stop, u never need to activate anyway...hmmm gotta go read more on this.

But i'm sure MS with counter with a patch soon enuff.

actually human are not perfect therefore anything they create also not perfect. no matter how microsoft protect their Windows from pirates it is useless due to they are human. whatever they do is not perfect.

unless they going for smartcard device where windows original come with it and non original doesnt have it. everytime need to use smart card to run windows. just like the astro decoder. however this is still not perfect since they are fake smartcards around for astro decoder as well.

maybe new generation of human has implant a computer chip and the computer chip stores whether you purchase windows or not. therefore if u did not, you use the computer with windows, they will prompt you to activate your implant chip b4 using windows.

its only the time's issue before Vista will be ultimately cracked. Remember how easy it is now to crack in WinXP? There's no point anymore if one boast that he/she is using genuine MS product sooner or later. Regarding the timer patch, the latest revision is quite hard to circumvent

from softpedia

The only this to proof the genuine of Vista is the purchased box, cds, booklet and of course the COA

Interesting... I wonder how much loss will MS face..

MS will not have much of a loss. Why? Because they aren't profiting much either. Not many people are Highly Eager to receive Vista as they used to when Windows 95 was introduced. If a large crowd is not expected, surely profit is not high. If profit is not high, how bad the losses be? Cheers!

Nah, to them when piracy occurs = losses.

Cheers!

the more glamarous the product is
the incentives to crack will get higher
the faster the product will get cracked

Agreeable that when there is piracy, there is losses. But if Profit margin is not high, how bad can the losses be? Not that bad, right? Cheers!

Profit margin not high? All the research and development put into producing Vista came from Microsoft's sales of software and services. They won't be selling Vista at a loss, even with this crack out. Who do you think the largest consumers of Microsoft's operating systems are, anyways? I can tell you right off the bat that most copies of Vista are going out to PC manufacturers at bulk prices and that very few consumers will ever purchase Vista out of a box on a store shelf. As long as people keep buying computers, Microsoft will keep turning a profit on its OS.

The losses is the time to get back the huge amount spent on R&D for the Vista software. If less people is using Vista, Microsoft will surely need more time to reach breakeven point. Time is money !

Could not agree more. Even though MS is a large co-operation and they might not mind spending money on R&D for Vista, it is still consider a loss for them.

Anyhow, as long as MS releases something new, its products tends to get exploited/hacked.

Profit is not high from OS? Then i wonder where Bill Pintu became the riches man in the world??

poor MS..... now this is a WOW thing to WOW about~~

MS probally foresaw this and include the loss from this in their product overheads, hence the super expensive price.

But kinda so fast being cracked liau hoh. I mean only bout a few month only..ehhehe

nice Paradox,poor MS

now isnt Dell also offer their new comp packages with NO OS preinstalled

Its was microsoft who actually gave the pirates a chance to exploit their activation system, otherwise, vista is really the uncrackable

m$ loophole

I think they need some hacker/cracker expert to find their OS hole.

MS goin to solve the hole soon.
I think if u get the vista now u can crack n use in the future.
Perhaps they will have some autoupdate to solve it.

I heard tat in vista, MS did something like trojan to let the MS ppl check whether u r using the ori version or not ori version. Is it true?

Nothing is perfect, even ATM machine can be cracked.

Why bother so much about cracking windows where the stupid nvidia is still not releasing their SLi driver?!Grrrr... stupid nvidia, curse you! But still like your GPU's

when there's piracy, there's not necessarily losses. in MS's case, it's just lesser profit.

but here's the thing - piracy actually helps Microsoft propagate the market.

Yeap, earn less... wait not earning less, their profits still increases. We should put it in this way "They did not earned what they supposed to get from that portion"

M$ did that loophole itself by allowing such a workaround to OEMs just because their users might not like it has introduced a weakness into the system.

p/s why are u guys seem so happy with m$ getting screwed?

wow so fast ............
paradox rulezz....

ya ya...
my friend bought a compaq lappy, got vista home basic..
seriously, i'm more comfortable using winxp...
the fancy gui makes me dizzy already.. maybe it's a damn new...

but wow.. jsut release already got cracked...

i'm thinking, sure got hole in their engineering team...

not really, if u done some research into the warez scene, there are already cracks before this paradox one, paradox version is the official crack only

Paradox got spy working with M$?

But like XP OS, after they intro WGA 'ehem' OS cant get their update.. I think sooner or later when Vista SP1 come some ppl have to do the job to fight M$ again.. again and again.. war never end.. until M$ close down dont make OS and all of us should use DOS all over agian.. dont we love black and white screen IBM machine before?

I wont forget those time when i need to use BIG floopy DOS to boot up my wonderful pc with black and white monitor

Cheers to hackers

because M$ was so proud and arrogant, challenging and daring those hackers to find hole on the first day when vista was put onto the shelf. that is why i am happy.

there are always Linux and Mac

yo that won`t happen, did u all ever wonder why pirated os still legible for security update? thats because M$ wan to dominate the OS market thats why

sure there are ppl who are using pirated ones now, but there are still many who are willing to fork out money to buy the original ones, therefore M$ will never ever fall, and Bill pintu will still be the richest guy on earth

When u make something new and will be use by almost every human on earth for sure you'll feel proud and arrogant, human always human bro..

Ya, but i really dislike Linux couse it let me down before, make me lost all my important assigment.. maybe im stupid dont know how to fully utilise Linux funtion.. Bout Mac.. nothing much to say i never try it before hope it can be as easy as Windows os


Bro, wonder if you are studying programing, its not easy to make an OS, it need to gather alot idea from alot ppl... not to mention $ and time M$ spend, If you are Bill how will you feel when u invest your $ and brain for years and ppl reverse engineered your software.. Bro, what comes around goes around.. we fail ppl stuff, ppl will fail our stuff.. Few hundred ringgit for a OS not worth it, but few k on your pc worth it?

ps. i know alot 'ehem' supporter here and my post will get myself some good flame (maybe) but i will dont give a puke.. this is what in my mind.. dif ppl diff thinking.. support original u only need to buy "once"! and u use it almost everyday!

Cheers! dont worry be verrry happy!

i think MS won't suffer a big losses due to paradox successfully cracking their OS. this is because business company need to use original OS from them and they can get tons of money from the business community.

got crack also no use cannot update mah after they see all over this is a pirate copy.

We can, there is also something hacker have done for noobs leecher like cracked WGA.. install it and Windows will let u download the update.. as i say war never end

Cheers.

Buy original, support original. If a copy of Vista Premium cost Rm400, u will be likely to use it for another 5 years. Divide 5 years with Rm400 how much perday u pay? Answer = Peanuts. Futhermore u get free update on and off and not to mention field support for 5 years..

pirated means you just cant download the WGA related softwares such as windows defender and so on, but they will still allow you to download the security updates, coz they also are more worry on how the pirated system will affect the genuine system, should they banned all the updates on pirated OS. Its easy to think, a cracked windows full with trojans, viruses, when it shares files with a genuine windows system, the latter will be affected too, then the genuine customer will complain and etc...

bill doesn't nid to care abt such crack
coz bill already got tons of money

This post has been edited by Irishcoffee: Mar 6 2007, 01:33 PM

hahaha all hail paradox

in 1 month, Bill can buy all of us mercs and bmws easily

He did work for it.. $ wont drop from sky tho

Evils are the winner at always(at least in software industries)

Evil refer to? Uncle Bill or Paradox?

That can be duplicated even easier

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Added on March 6, 2007, 2:43 pmthere is ubuntu !

This post has been edited by karhoe: Mar 6 2007, 02:43 PM

ubuntu any better then M$ version of OS? If it is better why soo less ppl using ubuntu and ppl rather use cracked version of M$?

Problem now is not bout ubuntu or linux.. its about what does we really gain if M$ stop making easy to use OS for us.. Imagine if u start a business and u cant gain ne profit.. will u close it? Way around this is same happen to M$.

Hopefully someday M$ closed their business and wish to see how many ppl will shift to Linux or ubuntu or stay using M$ OS with their beloved expensive pc.

Cheers!

Those linux/unix/ubuntu/watever opensource OS are getting better each day....

MAC OS X is always here for people.
People dont switch because they are scare to, but when they do .. they'll love linux/MAC OS more..

This post has been edited by ed0gawa: Mar 6 2007, 03:21 PM

Hohoho

YA. True. Another point is 3rd party softwares. Not every kinds of software do support in linux or mac os or whatever OS. It's like limited softwares once you're in other OS instead of windose.

OT~ I just find out that US DOT ban vista or whatever latest products of microsoft Read it yourself..

This post has been edited by allvin: Mar 6 2007, 07:17 PM

i think this is m$ own fault for provinding oems with only 1 key. now they cant even difference the ori and fake.

Given the period of these hackers took for cracking vista, you can get a legitimate vista if you work at tesco or petronas.

If everyone have to use Linux or other free OS.. like now most of us use M$ sure Linux or other free software will start to make profit.. then again hope hacker start working again

piracy will go on.... no matter how much they try to stop.....
yes, maybe reduce by a little....
still hackers are as smarts as MS programmers....
this is a never ending war....
it will end when MS becomes free....

Free and no more updates.. Hackers win Peaceful world.. guess not..

When hackers got nothing to hack then they will learn how to program virus to make our pc runing fast.. real fast

Cheers!

and hers your answer



and you do know even Malaysia has crack downs on software piracy? major business companies can`t afford to have even one computer with a illegal windows installed for their business may ruin

so in the end, m$ will not fall, uncle bill will get richer and richer.. and everyone`s happy right?

'OK' Good 1! And the same time does that means Original OS only for office not for home!

It's ok whatever the answer is, i dont work with M$ i dont want stand here to fight leecher by myself for M$

Next time i'll go for MAC





This post has been edited by V3000: Mar 7 2007, 12:50 AM

no lah, home users can also go for original if they have the money... unlike ... ( i dunno ) any support original lah, theres a chance M$ can counter this crack and those with pirated version can`t get support and updates..

the brute force key gen seems not totally fail at all
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=296

there will be chance.. but not so soon. if you read properly abt the crack made by paradox, by BIOS emulation, there is no way a.t.m. that M$ can differentiate your Vista is a cracked version, either your comp is a cloned PC or made by large manufacturers.

pirated version not to get support and updates? but before that, they will need to differentiate original copy with cracked/pirated copy. and for that, read the paragraph below...



This post has been edited by youngkies: Mar 7 2007, 07:30 AM

they also said that during the WGA thing with XP... cannot update... bleh... still ok

as expected...
nice job paradox.
Mess with the Best, Die like the Rest!

This post has been edited by streamline: Mar 7 2007, 08:54 AM

the computer i use is 5 years old already. vista is not really important upgrade for me. so with pirated copy, i could try it out and see whether i want to buy it or not in future. dont say pirated is bad for the industry. it provide trial version to people with lower income. btw, people with lower income also need to keep with technology or else they could not perform in their job which result getting fired. what else could they do in order to stay in job. buy pirated copy and learn from it. asking their company send them for training is hard to get approved. everyday also got news about robbery in the newspaper, when will it end? it never end. same goes for Windows.

Microsoft always say products will never be hacked, they also say this is the most secure version of windows "yet" you know why? because they gather up all the hacks/exploits on the previous operating system and patch them up in this operating system.

They're gonna do this every windows release until every hack in the world has been tested on windows, therefor every hack that is bought out is just being patched by microsoft in the next operating system, so these hackers are writing microsofts future by them selfs, seriously if you think about it, if microsoft really wanted to bring the hackers down out there, they would do, they're not that hard to find.

Field support?? Err...not on ur dreams. OEM got no field support. You are to refer to ur OEM installer. If u buy new PC it's ok-ler, can call DELL, HP or whoever. Even then i don't think there's field support, only for certain models and servers only.

If u buy OEM package from LYP...there's no one to call but yourself.

How bout those online field support directly with Microsoft technical?

i think those are not FIELD support...those are ONLINE support...

FIELD means that they come to your place to service...

Okay good , I am using this and voila legit Vista..I am happy , I think M$ shouldnt be supported as they have $$$$$. Simple policy, I am an average Joe and I cannot pay RM 800 for a POS bloated OS. So Instead I go and buy cetak rompak version and emulate an OEM BIOS = RM 10 . Thats like how many % of savings over the original Vista and it feels like the real thing

For a buggy POS [ aka OSX rip-off system] , I am not going to pay a single cent for M$ OSes [unless it comes with my PC , then yeah sure...Other then that no...]. Unless , someone could buy it for me , then I will support them


AFAIK , M$ can't do anything. If they come up with somekind of counter-measurement check , It Affected OEM Users will have a problem now as said by a former. Imagine , M$ , and <Insert an OEM Vendor here> has to attend to 1000000000 of calls , because of the new measurement . For me if you truly ask, I dont mind paying $200-300 for a Linux Distro , or support ubuntu.

Ubuntu + Beryl = Kicks Vista Ass [ even with a Radeon 9200 , you can get all those cool Flip 3d effects ....]

I am just telling you , there is no point adding RM 800-1000 to a company that gets ? amount of $$$ from major Crop. and stuff like that. Instead use the money to give it to tabung-tabunglah my friend , at least you will have some satisfaction !

This post has been edited by prasys: Mar 7 2007, 02:45 PM

Ohh my mistake

I juz wish i could be part of Paradox members..

Maybe u can send ur recruitment to

http://www.paradoxandcompany.com/

hahahaha....

u're too serious dude...

I used ori os (xp home, vista home basic) - i still think there r advantage using ori os. hehehehe....

Still i hope M$ could reduce the price n making if affortable. Even H/W gettin cheaper now a day.

Congrat to paradox. Proof nothing is perfect in a world. I dont regret buyin ori window.

I have tested the crack....

It only work with Assus, Dell, HP only...

Other motherboard will not work....

Wrong. It works on ANY mobo. You can select any of the license as you wish.

I believe the crack works by having an emulation of the BIOS fooling VISTA thinking it's a ASUS/DELL/HP whatever PC.

The emulation will have problem with Nforce mobo drivers though. If u want to install Nforce drivers, the crack won't work.

I think the old TimeStop still a better crack....made in China crack > made in Europe crack...

Who says China only makes low quality product???

This post has been edited by Matrix: Mar 8 2007, 09:02 AM

M$ is losing money??
LOL... piracy has been here so long and every year M$ report record profits from the sale of Winblows n O'fish...

well the money that M$ made is always from big companies and government rather then small fish like us....us make up the market share but not most of their profit i suppose

government get their money from small fishes like us... small fishes is part of the food-chain.. without small fish, there wont be big fishes (big company & government), and without big fish, there are no M$

dont underestimate small fishes, group of small fishes (paradox) that cracked the Vista..

This post has been edited by youngkies: Mar 8 2007, 12:21 PM

ya one small fish cannot fight a big fish ..but if many many small fish corperate ..the big fish also scare hehe ..

lol so u suggest us use pirated software??we all small fish nia

it is not about fish size or whatever, it is about being legal.

Dang, I think it is legal to apply the so-called-crack, as you do not temper with any system files, registry or what-so-ever, no reverse engineering of Microsoft technology, instead you are simply using it.

The BIOS emulator is not really a new thing, it is been done using your VM application i.e. VMWare, MS Virtual PC, Xen.

The only illegal thing is acquiring the license keys of OEM products without having the OEM product itself..

Yeap you are correct, it works on any mobo, because the emulater try to 'inject' a driver to fool the W. Vista

yup the word Emulator is where it all begins.. It Emulates or Imitate or Fool a system to run allow programs to function ..

so that's why Programs to play video games on pc is also called an Emulator..lol

Yep. But you require to own that particular console. Why? To get the BIOS from that console in order for that emulator to work. That's why that emulator is legal.