Ok. Now fresh.

Vivocom? Insider news? Many times you write very vague one. LOL! Or maybe I cannot understand. hahaa...

Assuming you are saying, you had insider news to buy Vivocom.... Assume la....

Anyway, I think you forget that sometimes I got elephant memory.

How about say, I person like me, tarak insider news. You think I would have buta buta buy Vivocom or Instacom last time? (ps: wasn't there some big fat writeup on Vivocom from CIMB too? )

Remember this discussion? https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...00&p=81503078&#
And ironically, it all started cos someone just came and spam the forum with several same postings claiming from their whatsapp group.
(follow groups like that and simply follow buy stocks, what's the chances of kena-ing some big big wok like Vivo? I am sure many people got burnt big time in this stock)

Anyway see from post #203 (the whatsapp spam) and then from post #209 onwards... (haha... you posted too... )
Anyway the point is simple... AVOID the stock like plague...
And the end result? From Sep 2016 until new... how did Vivocom do?

Does one really need such insider news?


Just sharing in details my views la...

and again if you insist that insider news is the way to go (I don't blame you la... since you are rather in close proximity to this industry) , go ahead la. ..

Lucky Daniel helped by sharing some of his opinions with you.
I certainly wouldn't know how to answer you since the info was rather bare.
For example: What's your entry? What sort of trading? etc etc...
Plus, I don't enjoy giving direct buy/sell comments...

Anyway, do you see the advantage Daniel holds over you?
His knowledge of the company and it's worth, puts him ahead.
For example, atm he does not have to force himself to make a decision. He reckons the stock should trade higher, which means his trade can allow him to ignore short term fluctuations.

In long run, you would lose out if you continue such handicapping...

Fundamentals are not difficult.
You can start with this very simplistic way.

why does one buy a company (stock)? One buys the company knowing the company stands a chance of making more and more money each year.
If the company wasn't a stock, wouldn't you approach this manner?

ok?

now... along the way, there are trick stuff.
you will hear... oh... this company, is so big, well known.... blah, blah, blah...
but it's selling at a discount.
ie got value.
50 sen for the dollar.
the danger with this approach is... ( esp when one is not truly very good with fundamental valuing).... there could be a real reason why the stock is selling at a discount.
2 possible scenarios.
(1) company is no longer making more money. company is actually stagnant. Could it be the company fault? the product fault? or could it be the owners feel they already made it big, hence they no longer have the drive?
(2) company's fundamental is actually deteriorating. for example, losing more money each year. etc etc.

either case... if this was a real company in life... would you buy a stake in it?

I like to think like this.
It might not be the best but I cut out a lot of stock market cliches....

So first step, try focusing on profits...
Is current performance, indicating that the company would make more money this year than previous year?
If so, wouldn't you buy or hold the stock?

for Dnex, I believe Daniel reckons this potential.
He is willing to bet on it.... ie... he is willing to play the bigger game in this trade.
Perhaps I would too.... if I was in.

oops... rather longish reply... lol... this is typical me....



ps.. if you paper trade longer... you could do so much comparisons...
perhaps longer term trading yields a far better satisfactory result than day trading....

Sure bo?

so if this is not real...
tell me...
your gameplay.

For example... how much profits u are aiming for in this trade?

Are you sure this is you best way to trade meh? Or you just testing testing?

Trends can always be broken.
Sometimes abruptly too...
And if you jumps into a rather matured trend, there might not be much upside to make your trade successful/meaningful....and sometimes the risk/reward is not even worthwhile....

I always try to ask this myself...
Am I making this trade just for the sake of trading?
Or am I seeing a sure big fat win if I make the trade?

True but... I would say IQGroup is different.
There was a total breakdown in profits.
One should have clearly avoided it.

Sure just testing bo?

Anyway, I have stated my doubts on SKP's growth.
As such, in my opinion, the risk factor is significantly much higher chasing its continued growth. If you think it got much legs left, go ahead...


And please, as I said before, the dangers in chasing high growth stocks. Once it corrects, ie the growth fails to meet the market high standard of expectation... such stocks can really collapse. Did you not the Sep market? Did you not notice how drastic t they corrected?

just remember that super high growth, usually doesn't last long.........

so fast you wanna jump to another trade?

You always over trade la.

Trade less... You will end up winning more la.



re: SK

both is correct but since my time frames are wider, it's a trend continuation and it's merely making a higher high.

1. No matter what I say ... doesn't matter. Market's hot. hot. hot.
2. The sharp reversal today ... after a sharp run up since 2018.... PLUS .... the sharp reversal in SKPet .....
3. What's familiar with these 2? The sharp decline in NTA (write off la ... this la... that la.. ) .... if u ask me.... lol.... my chin chai ball park guesstimate is... avoid the stock if the stock is not trading less than 50% NTA... this should be a so called 'value' play for the time being. )

so what's that u looking at again?


ps. U know damn rite this current run is not driven by fundamentals ....

ps/ps: Make money already... hold back first laaa.....


my 3 worthless sen

that statement full of contradictions.

Look. Impairment of ASSets is the key word.

Which is why... the net asset keep falling every quarter... ie asset play.
Normally... under such cases... less than 50% of asset is about fair value...
about 32 sen... and oil prices rising rapidly... it was worth a risk bet then.
Now? no way Jose.

which was same as SKPet (or whatever the new name is now. )



again... I say... try NOT to be too gung ho.

wah char me up.

i do not use but on situations like this...
when oil prices went up so sharply...
these 2 stocks were an option.. no?
umwog nta is about 95+...
price of umwog was about 31sen ...
not worth to take a risky bet on such situation?
u can use 50% of nta as chincai fair value target price...
Which is about 47sen or add so....

a trading entry about 32 sen, how much was the risk/reward how much?

Got meat? ie is this worth a bet?

This is how I would have weigh up the situation...

now compare to say SKpResources ...

the risk is different...
raising oil prices is no no..
raising ringgit is also no no..
and then u put into consideration that it is on a super high growth run for some time already (ie the growth runs the risk of ending soon) the risk factor is so much higher....

can understand my terrible England?




the R factors so important when you trade.

normally after all the blah blah blah....
then only I consult the gambar....

so based on the below... where was the suggestive entry point?

Cheh!! Show off!!!



it's not just about trading the correct stock...
it's about managing the risk in the stock u are trading...

those 5% win stocks...
those win kfc trades...
those mucky mouse trades...
these are drugs....
They kill and they destroy whatever potential one has as a trader.

every year u hear folks come in forums and boast...
every year they disappear...
cos they tend to lose more than they win...

char me again.....



no matter what...
I say again....

those who trade a lot and hope/aim to win small profits....they 'generally' tend to lose.....

over trading is one of the usual reason why one perform miserably in the stock market.....
They simply trade just because they have the urge the trade ...


so how?
You think you can record a 60% gain this year?

Very evident isn't it?

5 counters at one go.
too many

u trading or u collecting stocks?



so say...
u are only allowed to trade 3 stocks only ( no in and outs pls) for a whole year...
how do you think you will perform?

Have you reviewed your 2017 performances?

1. Those trade losses.... could you have done much better in those trades?
Or wouldn't it have been much better if you simply avoided them?

2. Those 15% profit win margin and especially those win 5% or 10% trades.... chuck them away.
Waste time and effort.
Compare these miserable wins and those losses....
can all these wins cover your losses?
if it doesn't, what is telling?
You are wasting your time and effort.
Ever seen those sniper movies?
When do they pull their trigger?
Do they simply press away like machine gun?
One shot, one big fat kill.


3. Those above 40% profit trade.... ah... review them again... and again... again... and again.

How many trades do you have that registered a 40% profit?
Can it be repeated?
What was your risk assessment when you made the decision to enter the trade?
Is it possible that you trade only such stocks?

Ah.. yes... such stocks... opportunities far lesser... and it is not easy to spot...
so when you spot it.... put more money in it lo...



GL on your trades this year.

One only Boss

One also