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S3phiroth
post May 21 2019, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 21 2019, 07:23 AM)
Hahaha... yes, those self created SECRET formulas.... been there done that.
Done so much testing, just couldn't get the results I wanted. Realised that such trading just wasn't for me. wink.gif
All my screeners were just so dependent on charts itself, I just coudn't get comfortable with it.
So I stopped using almost a loooong time ago.

GL
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Well, everyone is filthty rich if it is this easy.
TSBoon3
post May 21 2019, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(S3phiroth @ May 21 2019, 06:16 PM)
Well, everyone is filthty rich if it is this easy.
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I believe there is a misunderstanding. It was more because of me. Such trading wasn't for me and I wasn't saying it doesn't work.

I am one who believes we play the market to the best of our own capabilities. It's like, if I can't trade the shorter time frames, well it's best I acknowledge this fact and not die trying...


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post May 21 2019, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 21 2019, 07:19 PM)
I believe there is a misunderstanding. It was more because of me. Such trading wasn't for me and I wasn't saying it doesn't work.

I am one who believes we play the market to the best of our own capabilities. It's like, if I can't trade the shorter time frames, well it's best I acknowledge this fact and not die trying...
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Rest assure that it is not because of u but it is real hard. It takes years of hardwork to learn how to trade properly, let alone master it.

TSBoon3
post May 23 2019, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Mar 28 2019, 10:27 AM)
Oh wait, this is Trader's Corner.

Back to chart shall we  biggrin.gif
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Tidur ah? laugh.gif


ps: still looking for my second trade..... biggrin.gif


TSBoon3
post May 23 2019, 06:31 PM

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Inari.

That's the 4th consecutive quarter of shitty earnings. Price to earnings still high...

Big lesson isn't it? Don't ever fall in love with past big buggers. What used to be good, well the big key words are USED TO BE. The growth story is long gone... so should the stock still deserve such high valuations?

Wise up yo!
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post May 23 2019, 06:33 PM

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Hoping to pick up some tips from Sifus here. notworthy.gif
Yggdrasil
post May 23 2019, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 23 2019, 06:31 PM)
Inari.

That's the 4th consecutive quarter of shitty earnings. Price to earnings still high...

Big lesson isn't it? Don't ever fall in love with past big buggers. What used to be good, well the big key words are USED TO BE. The growth story is long gone... so should the stock still deserve such high valuations?

Wise up yo!
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I think almost all IT stocks have high P/Es. Most even MI equipment have P/E>15.

Yes. Their EPS fell even after taking into account the bonus issue. EPS this quarter was 1.2 when it should be 1.8.

Nevertheless, I think I might average down at RM0.99 (P/E 15), RM0.93 (P/E 14) and below...
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post May 23 2019, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ May 23 2019, 06:56 PM)
I think almost all IT stocks have high P/Es. Most even MI equipment have P/E>15.

Yes. Their EPS fell even after taking into account the bonus issue. EPS this quarter was 1.2 when it should be 1.8.

Nevertheless, I think I might average down at RM0.99 (P/E 15), RM0.93 (P/E 14) and below...
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Regarding pe>15. I agree with your point. The market even accepts it. But do remember the situation is slightly different. We are talking about a stock whose earnings and revenue is DECLINING rapidly.

For example, at its peak, just last fiscal year, or 5 quarters ago. Inari had quarterly sales revenue of 370 million. Sales revenue for current reported quarter is just 256 million. Profits then was 68 million. Profits now has slumped to just 38 million. Clearly the growth story is long gone, right?

Now, for me, I would not lump the current earnings and try to find a fair value for it. Why? Because the earnings are declining rapidly. And if the earnings decline again the next quarter, what is cheap now, would be deemed expensive. As they say the markets priced the stock based on future expectations. It's simply too risky to buy when we do not know how bad its earnings can get. What if profits drop to below 30 million per quarter?

I am one who do not like to take unnecessary market risk. I like to risk little but win a lot (if don't have such scenarios, I would wait - yeah, stock market is a waiting game for me).. So until I see some reversal in earnings, I would rather avoid this stock.

Oh yeah. Just sharing my thoughts on it. Me and you are probably different market players....

Anyway... GL and thanks for your views. Peace.

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post May 23 2019, 11:59 PM

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So. Is the market bearish or bullish?
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post May 24 2019, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 23 2019, 06:14 PM)
Tidur ah? laugh.gif
ps: still looking for my second trade..... biggrin.gif
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What was your 1st trade? Mind to share if it’s over?

Or a better question, how do you interpret pivotal point of a stock given a scenario? And more importantly, is that anyway to confirm the particular point is not a fake but a correct pivotal point?

This post has been edited by spring onion: May 24 2019, 12:17 AM
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post May 24 2019, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ May 24 2019, 12:00 AM)
Or a better question, how do you interpret pivotal point of a stock given a scenario? And more importantly, is that anyway to confirm the particular point is not a fake but a correct pivotal point?
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Fakeouts happens a lot and this is why one usually fails when one uses breakouts in their trading setup. The internet is best source of info, Search trading breakouts and fakeouts.

Do the fake trading.... spend 6 months on it. Test it out a lotttt...
If you cannot master it, dump it......

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post May 29 2019, 06:19 PM

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Yeah most earnings are not improving....
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post May 29 2019, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 29 2019, 06:19 PM)
Yeah most earnings are not improving....
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Isn't it a good time to identify those "resilient" counter ? innocent.gif

The strong will survive....
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post May 29 2019, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ May 29 2019, 06:37 PM)
Isn't it a good time to identify those "resilient" counter ?  innocent.gif

The strong will survive....
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LOL. Don't like to play liddis la.
I rather not buy and sit and shake kaki laugh.gif

That bugger like dog bite bone and no let go...... sweat.gif
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post May 31 2019, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(kvatt @ May 30 2019, 09:58 PM)
Can someone tell me a good broker from the UK?
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QUOTE(kvatt @ May 31 2019, 12:10 AM)
I think you would be interested to see the information bolt-fx.com broker where you will find answers to all your questions about one of the best UK brokers. BoltFX pays special attention to customer needs and guarantees them confidentiality and security.
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Why are you talking to yourself? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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post May 31 2019, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ May 31 2019, 08:37 AM)
Why are you talking to yourself?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Lol
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post May 31 2019, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ May 31 2019, 08:37 AM)
Why are you talking to yourself?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Some lame person trying to promote their website by pretending to Q&A. Apparently they forgotten to log out their dupe account.
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post May 31 2019, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ May 31 2019, 12:11 PM)
Some lame person trying to promote their website by pretending to Q&A. Apparently they forgotten to log out their dupe account.
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LOL . Didn’t think of this at all.
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post Jun 2 2019, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 10 2018, 10:39 AM)
Haha... yes we not eperts lah.... just talking chickens and what nots... laugh.gif

I wanna blow more steam on US imports from China, I mean US the consumer and lets talk from a business perspective ...
With the Trump Tariffs, the Chinese goods are some 20-25% higher (are the figures right?).
I would break it into 2 group buyers, ie manufacturers or end users.

For manufacturers (buyers of chinese raw materials or component parts), the buyers are either...

1. Looking for cheaper alternative...

a. buying from a local source or getting someone to produce locally.

I believe the manufacturers bought from the Chinese cause they were cheaper ... now with this new tariff, would the manufacturers be able to source from US itself? Or can it be produced as cheaply? If can, would someone want set up plant to produce these component parts? (this one is tricky... cos the Americans have to account for the risk of Trump reign as a president and once he is out, will the tariffs stay or be removed?)

b. sourcing from another country.

This is logical but then.... I am left scratching my head.. Trump, proclaimed the trade deficit was too high. So when the manufacturers buy component parts from another country, it's just a shifting of source, as the trade deficit still remain high and in fact, it COULD EVEN END UP HIGHER. For example, say US don't buy from China this component part. The next best source (price) is Turkey. But the Turkish part is say 15% higher (15% still cheaper than the tariff imposed) than the price they used to buy from China. So how would it help reduce the Americans trade deficit?

c. the manufacturers buy like normal but with higher prices.

which means, these American factories would have to bear the higher cost or they pass on the American consumers... either way, not a good picture ...

Some links on the impact on Americans itself...

This US TV manufacturer which relied on Chinese component parts...

https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/08/news/compa...cuts/index.html

Other reading links on how things are felt locally...

https://www.10news.com/news/inside-san-dieg...ng-felt-locally

This car part manufacturer,Magna says they will take the tariff hit... quote ""If the tariffs stay the way they are – and who knows if anything more gets ratcheted up in China – it's about a $60 million a year hit,"

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/09/magna-inter...pportunity.html
and the story of Pegasus...

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/a...ade-war-with-us

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This from post #1584


Anyway back to point b. Sourcing from another country..

So a US company might move its supply chain from China to a country like Mexico...

Companies like GoPro or Hasboro, they shifted some of their supply chain to Mexico.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/05/business...decoupling.html

Then this happened....

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/31/surprise-me...nt-chances.html

Key word : How could you trust Duck...


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post Jun 3 2019, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 2 2019, 03:53 PM)
This from post #1584
Anyway back to point b. Sourcing from another country..

So a US company might move its supply chain from China to a country like Mexico...

Companies like GoPro or Hasboro, they shifted some of their supply chain to Mexico.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/05/business...decoupling.html

Then this happened....

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/31/surprise-me...nt-chances.html

Key word : How could you trust Duck...
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Liz Ann Sonders, CIS Charles Swabb twitted...

https://twitter.com/LizAnnSonders/status/1134413617380675587

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Some argued 'These tariffs are about stopping the re-branding of Chinese imports as being from Mexico'

Vietnam? What if ...... rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

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