Yeah nope dont get that. Ady bad enuff ur CPU is limited to PCIE Gen3 bandwidth, then ur gonna cripple it further to x8 lanes. Effectively maxed at 8GB/s. Even if its fine for ur CPU currently it will bottleneck any future upgrades.

RM 10k inc monitor is quite tough as it depends how much ur spending for that monitor will dictate whatever is left for your system. Rule of thumb is that for 4k 120-144Hz would ady eat up RM 9-10k just the system alone.

I would suggest you shop for the preferred monitor first then see how much is left for the sifus here to reco a build cuz even 4k monitor (& TV as monitor) got so many price range choices like; 32"? 36"? 49"? 60-75Hz? 120Hz? 144Hz? 200+Hz? Need Gsync? Need Ultrawide? Need KVM? Curve or Flat? True HDR?

You need to make sure you know what monitor you want cuz at the extreme end of scale some monitors can ady cost RM 10k itself!

You can use these as a starter guide to better understand monitor selection
https://www.techspot.com/bestof/gaming-monitors-23-24/
https://www.techspot.com/bestof/gaming-monitors-in-100-v2/
https://www.cgdirector.com/best-4k-monitors/
https://www.cgdirector.com/curved-vs-flat-monitors/
https://www.cgdirector.com/monitor-brands-guide/
https://www.cgdirector.com/monitor-guide-re...response-times/
https://www.cgdirector.com/what-is-an-hdr-monitor/

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Dec 29 2023, 10:34 AM

At 4k you will want exact expectations cuz then its what the system will able to drive that monitor. Also whether okay with VA? Or IPS? Or OLED? Or miniLED?
Im no monitor expert so you can ask more from this subforum https://forum.lowyat.net/MonitorDiscussions

Imho 28" is pretty small for 4k resolution but again its to the OP decide his comfort level.

Except for that DRAMless SSD this is a well balanced spec tho.

For a 9-10k build, modified from Myway reco
i7-14700k RM1,999.00
z790 msi p wifi RM1,099.00
32gb 3600mhz kingston fury RM360.00
1tb kc3000 RM???
Tier A 900-1000W Gold PSU RM???
azza hive 450 RM259.00
thermalright FC/FS140 RM???
RX7900XT / RTX 4080 / 4080Super (launching in Q1 2024) - whichever budget fits

As a OS boot drive, my advice better not. Constant drive swaps will prematurely wear out the NAND cycles. HMB only useful to mitigate the other DRAMless drawbacks (long/big writes).

Quite similar XT just faster clocked. Yeah my mistake actually when I recheck the 6600/XT both are x8 so either is poor choice. Better to go with 6700XT /6750XT as these are at least x16.

Too many anecdotes in the internet you can search yourself. There are reasons why sifus here reco only SSDs with DRAM but if you think otherwise its up to you.

I had SSD fail on me but for other reasons tho.

Lazy to cari now. If you want later i find. Anyone knows me knows I alwiz back up what I wrote with facts/link

Its a decent system for the money if your getting someone to build & setup for you. If your doing it yourself, might run into Ryzen quirks. YMMV

Not sure as I dont have AMD myself but heard a lot of issues from forumers here and seeing the umpteen number of Agesa Bios updates is just weird.

Then again I also saw a lot of Western PCers using Ryzens, so as I said YMMV. So to err with caution I usually suggest new builders to stay away from AMD stuff unless got some troubleshooting knowledge. If you done this before, then going Ryzen isnt too bad.

Newer 7000 Ryzens have different issues but no less frequent (amongst others; still ongoing high idle power usage which 3 Agesa updates said to fix but Toms disputes that).

Alrighty, I promised you links and here it is same results spanning from consumer, enterprise, the OEM themselves, even software companies

From enterprise storage forum
https://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/hard...0web%20browsing.
"Best for Longevity: DRAM SSDs
SSDs with DRAM use wear-leveling—a process programmed into flash devices that maximizes efficient usage of the memory blocks—that prolongs the life of the device by minimizing wear and tear from constant usage by applying the Program and Erase (P/E) cycles evenly across all blocks. (A typical block can withstand about 100,000 P/E cycles.) Without wear-leveling, DRAM-less SSDs risk overusing blocks that can shorten the lifespan of the drive."

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/..._ssd_with_dram/
"For a boot drive I wouldn't do without it. As the dram cache takes the brunt of the writes. Ok. So windows is constantly doing things to your storage, not all of which are particularly longlasting. With a dram cache, many of those things happen there, to a piece of hardware designed to have things happen to it quickly many many times. Without that cache, those things get spread randomly across your ssd, and the controller has to hunt for the results in more places, and the other parts of your SSD aren't meant to be written to as many times as the dram cache is. Which wears the drive out faster."

https://insights.samsung.com/2021/06/25/dra...rent-after-all/
"The life span
Most SSD life spans are based on the number of times a memory cell is written over. Traditionally, there’s a significant difference in life span between DRAM-less SSDs and SSDs with DRAM because when the CPU constantly has to go back to the NAND flash memory, it’s putting wear onto the drive in the form of additional data that’s written, rewritten and accessed over and over. This can decrease the life of the drive, and it’s also why many manufacturers offer only a three-year warranty on DRAM-less SSDs, as opposed to the standard five-year warranty that comes with SSDs featuring DRAM."

https://www.partitionwizard.com/clone-disk/...m-less-ssd.html
"DRAM SSD vs DRAM-less SSD: Lifespan
When you observe your DRAM or DRAM-less SSD, you may find that there’s a warranty on it. Most DRAM-less SSDs offer a 3-year warranty, while DRAM SSDs from reputed brands provide up to a 5-year warranty. DRAM-less drives store the data map directly to the NAND flash, causing more wear and tear on memory cells. This significantly reduces the lifespan of the SSD.
DRAM SSDs use wear-leveling that prolongs the lifespan of the hard disk by minimizing wear and tear from constant usage by applying the Program and Erase (P/E) cycles evenly across all blocks."

Now show me your source and dont run away ya

Nope. Phased out models but still overprice as they not reduce to match cheaper Gen3 SSDs. Go for alternatives as Phison stuff are overpriced.

KLEV CRAS C930 Gen4 1TB still got RM 399

That means you dont have a point then. And you dont understand what SSD DRAM does. Its not just the mapping table that HMB do. Go read up some more.

Yes your the OG proponent of DRAMless SSD here. And many sifus have educated you on the cons of using such for OS boot drive. Looks like you got an equally clueless friend.

If want to give reco & advice, do it responsibly not give crap specs.

If change CPU & mobo you got 2 main choices; stick with AMD AM4 or go Intel DDR4

If you can RMA the CPU (& mobo), I suggest stick to AMD. Get a temp that you can resell/reuse later. Perhaps R 5600 + MSI B550-VDH mobo

If want all new AM4, 5800X3D + MSI X570 mobo

If sien of AMD then why not switchover to Intel? 14700K + MSI PRO Z790-P DDR4

Full switchover to DDR5 4K gaming system? Need about 8-9k at least since just about everything need to change.

To handle 4K gaming, need at least 4070TI / 7800XT (for 60FPS) to 4080 / 7900XT (100FPS above) + at least Atier 850W PSU

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Dec 30 2023, 07:19 PM

The point is not I win or you win, but those who ask for advice wins with decent recos and no pisspoor parts unless budget is way too low.

Ryzen 7000 likes to boost until 95C and particularly X3D are hot chips. Suggest up cooling to Deepcool Assassin 3/4 or Thermalright FC/FS140

And be warned of Giga mobo backdoor bios. For just a lil bit more money do consider plenty of alternatives
Asrock
B650 https://www.lazada.com.my/products/asrock-b...3317888996.html
B650E https://www.lazada.com.my/products/asrock-b...3399347679.html

Asus B650 https://www.lazada.com.my/products/asus-tuf...3261474056.html

Can even get MSI X670 https://www.lazada.com.my/products/msi-pro-...3209533654.html

Also suggest you topup RM 60 and up PSU to 850W MWE GOLD if you can spare the budget as that is a Btier unit. While 750W just ngam2 sufficient for 7800XT but consider it has not much power headroom for future more power hungry GPU upgrades.

A similar budget build as reco by Tristanx for an earlier request but this is Intel

Core i5-12400 - 599
Colorful B760M Gaming Frozen V20 Wifi - 722
Colorful Guardian 8GB DDR4-3200 X2 - 218
Kingston KC3000 512GB - 249 (price these days uncertain so budget for it)
MSI A650BN - 209
Montech Air 100 Lite White - 172

RM2169 total (Shopee prices)

Optional:
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 White - 169

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jan 1 2024, 01:10 PM

But some reviewers claimed got weird noise issue at certain frequency/fan speeds due to its shroud housing & unconventional airflow pull design. Going assassin 3 you dont lack cooling performance actually.