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post Apr 12 2017, 01:38 PM

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the pre-order one is 32GB or 64GB internal memory?
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QUOTE(bpay14 @ Apr 12 2017, 01:38 PM)
the pre-order one is 32GB or 64GB internal memory?
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XZs - 64GB
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post Apr 13 2017, 11:32 AM

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Hi there,

I am posting here as I'm not getting much feedback over at the general forum. And, I think most likely most of the posts will be from Sony haters, maybe? Hoping to get a better feedback from genuine Sony users here...

I am planning to get a new smartphone to replace my current Galaxy Note II (yes, very old phone). I am interested in Sony's Xperia XZ but I just saw the recent release of XZs and XZP in the near future.

Comparing XZ & XZs --- Spec wise, both seems the same with the exception of camera & RAM; but otherwise I think performance wise should be almost similar. Impressed with XZP but I think it will be quite expensive so it's not within my shortlisted options.

Sony users - do you think I should get the XZs or XZ? Any comments or suggestions?
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QUOTE(nicodemus88 @ Apr 13 2017, 11:32 AM)
Hi there,

I am posting here as I'm not getting much feedback over at the general forum. And, I think most likely most of the posts will be from Sony haters,  maybe? Hoping to get a better feedback from genuine Sony users here...

I am planning to get a new smartphone to replace my current Galaxy Note II (yes, very old phone). I am interested in Sony's Xperia XZ but I just saw the recent release of XZs and XZP in the near future.

Comparing XZ & XZs --- Spec wise, both seems the same with the exception of camera & RAM; but otherwise I think performance wise should be almost similar. Impressed with XZP but I think it will be quite expensive so it's not within my shortlisted options.

Sony users - do you think I should get the XZs or XZ? Any comments or suggestions?
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If your budget allows, XZs all the way bro. 3GB is barely enough in 2017. I see no point to get XZ at all.
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post Apr 13 2017, 02:02 PM

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Hi Guys, really hard to get a comparison of the camera performance between the XZ premium vs the Galaxy S8. Really want to pick this XZ premium for the Motion Eye camera, but would want the low light shot to be as excellent as the S8.

But a bit weary of the performance of Sony. Last time using the sony c5 ultra dual, lag like hell. Maybe with the SD 835, it should not be a problem.
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post Apr 13 2017, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(nicodemus88 @ Apr 13 2017, 11:32 AM)
Hi there,

I am posting here as I'm not getting much feedback over at the general forum. And, I think most likely most of the posts will be from Sony haters,  maybe? Hoping to get a better feedback from genuine Sony users here...

I am planning to get a new smartphone to replace my current Galaxy Note II (yes, very old phone). I am interested in Sony's Xperia XZ but I just saw the recent release of XZs and XZP in the near future.

Comparing XZ & XZs --- Spec wise, both seems the same with the exception of camera & RAM; but otherwise I think performance wise should be almost similar. Impressed with XZP but I think it will be quite expensive so it's not within my shortlisted options.

Sony users - do you think I should get the XZs or XZ? Any comments or suggestions?
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go for XZs if your budget is allowed.. and i knew preorder will get some freebies worth more than 500 like SBH80, fast charger and casing?! need to check it out..

rm2899 with 64gb, 4gb ram is quite standard compare with other flagship.. (u have exclusive 960fps slow mo feature) and some camera features.. u have give and take.. see which features are more important to you..

This post has been edited by ChuanHong: Apr 13 2017, 02:12 PM
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post Apr 13 2017, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ Apr 13 2017, 02:02 PM)
Hi Guys, really hard to get a comparison of the camera performance between the XZ premium vs the Galaxy S8. Really want to pick this XZ premium for the Motion Eye camera, but would want the low light shot to be as excellent as the S8.

But a bit weary of the performance of Sony. Last time using the sony c5 ultra dual, lag like hell. Maybe with the SD 835, it should not be a problem.
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Sorry bro. The chance of that happening is 0% unless the entire JPEG team is overhauled.

The Motion Eye is really high tech. But when was the last time you shoot a slow mo video? To me that's a secondary feature.
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QUOTE(davidletterboyz @ Apr 13 2017, 02:47 PM)
Sorry bro. The chance of that happening is 0% unless the entire JPEG team is overhauled.

The Motion Eye is really high tech. But when was the last time you shoot a slow mo video? To me that's a secondary feature.
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Then I really need to give up on this XZ premium already. Sad.
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QUOTE(davidletterboyz @ Apr 13 2017, 02:47 PM)
Sorry bro. The chance of that happening is 0% unless the entire JPEG team is overhauled.

The Motion Eye is really high tech. But when was the last time you shoot a slow mo video? To me that's a secondary feature.
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it will be interesting to see when Sony start sourcing the new DRAM stacked sensor to other manufacturers including Apple

then upcoming iPhone will have its own motion eye feature icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Apr 13 2017, 03:50 PM)
it will be interesting to see when Sony start sourcing the new DRAM stacked sensor to other manufacturers including Apple

then upcoming iPhone will have its own motion eye feature icon_idea.gif
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They have to wait for the 12MP version lol. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Apr 13 2017, 03:50 PM)
it will be interesting to see when Sony start sourcing the new DRAM stacked sensor to other manufacturers including Apple

then upcoming iPhone will have its own motion eye feature icon_idea.gif
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But I heard Iphone is going to make their own camera sensor hmm.gif
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Apr 13 2017, 04:20 PM)
But I heard Iphone is going to make their own camera sensor  hmm.gif
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Unlikely in near future. They do not have any fabrication factory. Unless they buy over a company.

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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ Apr 13 2017, 02:51 PM)
Then I really need to give up on this XZ premium already. Sad.
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Sony camera needs some knowledge to use. If you have steady hand, with the manual mode, it can even beat Pixel XL. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Apr 13 2017, 07:21 PM)
Sony camera needs some knowledge to use. If you have steady hand, with the manual mode, it can even beat Pixel XL.  cool2.gif
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I'm those point and shoot type. And most of the photo I take are in door with subpar lighting.
Will wait for some more comparison photos with full auto mode to decide. Decision, decision.
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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ Apr 14 2017, 08:27 AM)
I'm those point and shoot type. And most of the photo I take are in door with subpar lighting.
Will wait for some more comparison photos with full auto mode to decide. Decision, decision.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_xzs-review-1600p9.php

The potential is there, but Auto mode doesn't bring it out. Auto mode tends to have high shutter speed to reduce your handshake, by sacrificing image quality. You want blurry photo or high noise? I would rather have high noise, which can be cleaned up later, if wanted. When pixel peep, the image isn't sharp, but if you perform downsampling to identical pixel count with other phones, you will see the detail is sharper.

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Apr 13 2017, 04:20 PM)
But I heard Iphone is going to make their own camera sensor  hmm.gif
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not on camera sensor
but on GPU
they build the blueprint, then handover to TSMC to fabricate it

on a side note, XZs still using the dated eMMC technology, whereas a 2 year old S6 has adpoted UFS doh.gif

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Apr 13 2017, 07:21 PM)
Sony camera needs some knowledge to use. If you have steady hand, with the manual mode, it can even beat Pixel XL.  cool2.gif
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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Apr 13 2017, 07:21 PM)
Sony camera needs some knowledge to use. If you have steady hand, with the manual mode, it can even beat Pixel XL.  cool2.gif
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Any pics that support this claim?
And can beat Pixel XL on the same manual mode and settings?

QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Apr 14 2017, 08:55 AM)
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_xzs-review-1600p9.php

The potential is there, but Auto mode doesn't bring it out. Auto mode tends to have high shutter speed to reduce your handshake, by sacrificing image quality. You want blurry photo or high noise? I would rather have high noise, which can be cleaned up later, if wanted. When pixel peep, the image isn't sharp, but if you perform downsampling to identical pixel count with other phones, you will see the detail is sharper.
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With this kind of JPEG algorithm, I doubt it's among the very best. Even if you downsample the pics into to the same 12MP resolution, the artifacts still persist. You can go gsmarena.com and check out the low light studio shot.

Another thing is Sony's lens corners sharpness. Very very blunt in corners.
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QUOTE(davidletterboyz @ Apr 14 2017, 02:58 PM)
Any pics that support this claim?
And can beat Pixel XL on the same manual mode and settings?
With this kind of JPEG algorithm, I doubt it's among the very best. Even if you downsample the pics into to the same 12MP resolution, the artifacts still persist. You can go gsmarena.com and check out the low light studio shot.

Another thing is Sony's lens corners sharpness. Very very blunt in corners.
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Admittedly, the corner sharpness issue does exist, but since it is wider than other phones, personally find it acceptable, given the sensor size, the focal length, aperture and no camera bulge. The focal length & distortion is not suitable for casual shoots, works well landscape. Generally the camera is too specific for it's use + demanding on the user ability. The "artifacts" can be removed with mild denoise in post processing, but I prefer to have that to keep the details. For a casual user who posts on social platform, the compression itself already kill the information of the picture, let alone artifacts.

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Anybody got their XZs ?
I got mine and there was one big surprise:

No double-tap to wake or sleep at all.

Don't know if its a mistake in the firmware or if its coming to this model ever...
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QUOTE(lyn_grayskale @ Apr 18 2017, 10:29 AM)
Anybody got their XZs ?
I got mine and there was one big surprise:

No double-tap to wake or sleep at all.

Don't know if its a mistake in the firmware or if its coming to this model ever...
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Settings > Device > Display > Interaction > Tap to wake up

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