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English Clubs Liverpool LYN Kop Talk - BELIEVE V 6 2016/2017, LFC 3 : 0 Boro #YNWA Welcome to UCL
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sahathai
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Apr 11 2017, 09:49 AM
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Seems like the media is trying hard to belittled klopp decision to let sakho leave on loan. Make one tackle in whole game but get all the credit for the clean sheet. Anyone here actually watched palace's game? They play with 10 men behind the ball most of the time. Their gk Hennessey is in god mode form. Personally i think sakho is like john stone if u know what i mean. So, Klopp vs sakho? I'm definitely in team klopp.
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lcy851031
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Apr 11 2017, 10:48 AM
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Crystal Palace remaining EPL matches against a lot of top 4 rival including us, not sure if Klopp loan Sakho out to troll other rivals.
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Cloud0890
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Apr 11 2017, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE(sahathai @ Apr 11 2017, 09:49 AM) Seems like the media is trying hard to belittled klopp decision to let sakho leave on loan. Make one tackle in whole game but get all the credit for the clean sheet. Anyone here actually watched palace's game? They play with 10 men behind the ball most of the time. Their gk Hennessey is in god mode form. Personally i think sakho is like john stone if u know what i mean. So, Klopp vs sakho? I'm definitely in team klopp. I rate Sakho but I would side with Klopp any day if it comes to disciplinary issue with Sakho. Doesn't matter if he's actually doing good or simply getting credit he doesn't deserve, the better his image is, the higher his stock and the more we can sell for.
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jacckl
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Apr 11 2017, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(sahathai @ Apr 11 2017, 09:49 AM) Seems like the media is trying hard to belittled klopp decision to let sakho leave on loan. Make one tackle in whole game but get all the credit for the clean sheet. Anyone here actually watched palace's game? They play with 10 men behind the ball most of the time. Their gk Hennessey is in god mode form. Personally i think sakho is like john stone if u know what i mean. So, Klopp vs sakho? I'm definitely in team klopp. sakho did not play that many games but i checked c.palace last 5 games with sakho, c.palace win 4 times with 3 clean sheets, beating chelsea and arsenal. now compare to number of times liverpool keep clean sheet this year (2017), 2 times. once against plymouth in fa cup, the other is 2-0 win against spurs. admit it, klopp make a mistake on sakho. if mou can make a u-turn on sweinsteiger, i dont see why klopp can't do the same.
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lcy851031
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Apr 11 2017, 11:06 AM
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^ Well you also need to compare strategy employed by both team
Klopp play high intensity pressing, pushing defender high up the line.
Big Sam playing more defensive approach, Sakho got surrounded by more team mates.
So to say Sakho change CP into god mode is to early.
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prophetjul
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Apr 11 2017, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE(jacckl @ Apr 11 2017, 11:01 AM) sakho did not play that many games but i checked c.palace last 5 games with sakho, c.palace win 4 times with 3 clean sheets, beating chelsea and arsenal. now compare to number of times liverpool keep clean sheet this year (2017), 2 times. once against plymouth in fa cup, the other is 2-0 win against spurs. admit it, klopp make a mistake on sakho. if mou can make a u-turn on sweinsteiger, i dont see why klopp can't do the same. Don't really have the insider on what actually happened. So have to trust Klopp on this matter.
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jacckl
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Apr 11 2017, 11:30 AM
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of course sakho was not the only reason cpalace in good form now but he is one of the reason. sakho play for us before, his style is eccentric and sometime dangerous but he did perform very well for us. now compare him to klavan, i will pick sakho anytime anyday.
there might be some attitude problem from sakho but if he admit his mistake and continue to work hard, i dont see how he's not given 2nd chances.
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Cloud0890
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Apr 11 2017, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(jacckl @ Apr 11 2017, 11:30 AM) of course sakho was not the only reason cpalace in good form now but he is one of the reason. sakho play for us before, his style is eccentric and sometime dangerous but he did perform very well for us. now compare him to klavan, i will pick sakho anytime anyday. there might be some attitude problem from sakho but if he admit his mistake and continue to work hard, i dont see how he's not given 2nd chances. And you are assuming he was not given a second chance. Of course you would expect Sakho to defend himself and say he only messed up once. And there was all that Instagram nonsense he did. Fact of the matter is his disciplinary issues were well documented even before he came here. Ability wise he is at least on par with Lovren and I would even rate him just above Lovren. But Klopp isn't condemning him for his performances but for his attitude. Sometimes it's not about how good you are (unless you are Messi or Ronaldo) but about keeping the team ethic so that everyone should be treated equally.
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jacckl
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Apr 11 2017, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Apr 11 2017, 11:58 AM) And you are assuming he was not given a second chance. Of course you would expect Sakho to defend himself and say he only messed up once. And there was all that Instagram nonsense he did. Fact of the matter is his disciplinary issues were well documented even before he came here. Ability wise he is at least on par with Lovren and I would even rate him just above Lovren. But Klopp isn't condemning him for his performances but for his attitude. Sometimes it's not about how good you are (unless you are Messi or Ronaldo) but about keeping the team ethic so that everyone should be treated equally. sakho pre-season case was the only case i've seen, i can't comment on others because either he didn't do it or it was not reported. i could say the same back to you, you are assuming klopp "did" give him 2nd chance when we all do not know what happen behind. most of you stand behind klopp while i decide to give sakho the benefit of doubts. beside, klopp can drop sakho to bench and to me, that's a good enough punishment. i understand the importance of attitude, i also understand having too much ego is a bad thing. take a good look at costa case, he was screaming to go out. conte stop him, discipline him, make up with him and decide to let him play.
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ace-user
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Apr 11 2017, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(jacckl @ Apr 11 2017, 12:16 PM) sakho pre-season case was the only case i've seen, i can't comment on others because either he didn't do it or it was not reported. i could say the same back to you, you are assuming klopp "did" give him 2nd chance when we all do not know what happen behind. most of you stand behind klopp while i decide to give sakho the benefit of doubts. beside, klopp can drop sakho to bench and to me, that's a good enough punishment. i understand the importance of attitude, i also understand having too much ego is a bad thing. take a good look at costa case, he was screaming to go out. conte stop him, discipline him, make up with him and decide to let him play. I agree with you completely. Sakho was sent to the reserves, paid a fine, loaned out to CP, I don't really know what other form of punishments can Klopp impose on him anymore. I feel that he has serve his punishments and should be given the chance at our club. He could walk in to our defence any day, only Matip is better than him, Lovren, Klavan, Gomez, Lucas are all just average.
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ace-user
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Apr 11 2017, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Apr 11 2017, 11:58 AM) And you are assuming he was not given a second chance. Of course you would expect Sakho to defend himself and say he only messed up once. And there was all that Instagram nonsense he did. Fact of the matter is his disciplinary issues were well documented even before he came here. Ability wise he is at least on par with Lovren and I would even rate him just above Lovren. But Klopp isn't condemning him for his performances but for his attitude. Sometimes it's not about how good you are (unless you are Messi or Ronaldo) but about keeping the team ethic so that everyone should be treated equally. From the looks of it (media biased or not I don't know la, we just read what ever news is fed to us), Sakho loves our club. He calls us the Liverpool country which really cracks me up, he's the very few who knows what it means to put on the red shirt and play for our club. I would love to have him back and save $$$.
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shamsul_LP
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Apr 11 2017, 08:29 PM
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long time not come here...happy to see arsenal fan come down to earth again 😝
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carloz28
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Apr 11 2017, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(ace-user @ Apr 11 2017, 12:41 PM) From the looks of it (media biased or not I don't know la, we just read what ever news is fed to us), Sakho loves our club. He calls us the Liverpool country which really cracks me up, he's the very few who knows what it means to put on the red shirt and play for our club. I would love to have him back and save $$$. Right. Cast those egos and take him back. We could use a defender of his quality rather than gifting him to that anti Liverpool underhand tactic money grabbing hamroll of a manager
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Cloud0890
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Apr 12 2017, 02:26 AM
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QUOTE(ace-user @ Apr 11 2017, 12:41 PM) From the looks of it (media biased or not I don't know la, we just read what ever news is fed to us), Sakho loves our club. He calls us the Liverpool country which really cracks me up, he's the very few who knows what it means to put on the red shirt and play for our club. I would love to have him back and save $$$. Would be great to have him as a backup because he is definitely way better than Klavan. Question is if he is willing to sit on the bench as a 3rd/4th option. He is better than most of our defenders but our defenders do not set the bar high. Like you said, apart from Matip, all of them are average so I would prefer Klopp to go out and buy someone possibly even better than Matip. Van Dijk is a name touted around a lot, I don't know how you guys rate him but he seems to be rated quite highly by everyone else. Lovren has just signed a new contract I think so he isn't going anywhere I presume which makes Sakho an 80K a week backup luxury. Honestly hard to see that happening. Personally judging purely on ability, I would rather sell Lovren but his stock is not as high and won't sell for as much.
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ace-user
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Apr 12 2017, 10:14 AM
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Apr 12 2017, 02:26 AM) Would be great to have him as a backup because he is definitely way better than Klavan. Question is if he is willing to sit on the bench as a 3rd/4th option. He is better than most of our defenders but our defenders do not set the bar high. Like you said, apart from Matip, all of them are average so I would prefer Klopp to go out and buy someone possibly even better than Matip. Van Dijk is a name touted around a lot, I don't know how you guys rate him but he seems to be rated quite highly by everyone else. Lovren has just signed a new contract I think so he isn't going anywhere I presume which makes Sakho an 80K a week backup luxury. Honestly hard to see that happening. Personally judging purely on ability, I would rather sell Lovren but his stock is not as high and won't sell for as much. I wouldn't mind starting Sakho and Matip next season, Sakho has really good injury record, but the same can't be said about Van Dijk. Van Dijk is big, strong, quick and looking at how he performed against us it's hard not to like him, but he seems to be quite injury prone. Bringing in Sakho would solve a lot of our defensive problem, and doesn't waste a lot of $$$ too. Lovren haven't sign any contract extension yet, and I hope he doesn't. Prefer the money to go to Can, he deserve it.
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Everdying
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Apr 12 2017, 10:24 AM
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Two is One and One is None.
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QUOTE(ace-user @ Apr 12 2017, 10:14 AM) I wouldn't mind starting Sakho and Matip next season, Sakho has really good injury record, but the same can't be said about Van Dijk. Van Dijk is big, strong, quick and looking at how he performed against us it's hard not to like him, but he seems to be quite injury prone. Bringing in Sakho would solve a lot of our defensive problem, and doesn't waste a lot of $$$ too. Lovren haven't sign any contract extension yet, and I hope he doesn't. Prefer the money to go to Can, he deserve it. that wouldn't work... both prefer left side.
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ace-user
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Apr 12 2017, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Apr 11 2017, 08:35 PM) Right. Cast those egos and take him back. We could use a defender of his quality rather than gifting him to that anti Liverpool underhand tactic money grabbing hamroll of a manager He's better than all of our defenders except Matip!
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ace-user
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Apr 12 2017, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 12 2017, 10:24 AM) that wouldn't work... both prefer left side. Matip is right footed no? Makes more sense for him to play right CB.
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jacckl
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Apr 12 2017, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 12 2017, 10:24 AM) that wouldn't work... both prefer left side. i thought matip been playing at right side all along? lovren would play right if partnered with klavan but otherwise he play left. sakho and klavan both left
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Everdying
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Apr 12 2017, 11:18 AM
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Two is One and One is None.
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QUOTE(ace-user @ Apr 12 2017, 10:44 AM) Matip is right footed no? Makes more sense for him to play right CB. QUOTE(jacckl @ Apr 12 2017, 11:02 AM) i thought matip been playing at right side all along? lovren would play right if partnered with klavan but otherwise he play left. sakho and klavan both left matip has also been thrown on the left side. lovren too has played most of his career on the left side. i guess both are able to do the job, but not 100% efficiently. as much as klavan is hated, he'll still be a good squad player for the league cup...and doesnt complain about wanting first team action all the time. anyway, this is LFC's 7th season in a row where they have let in more than 40 goals...ever since rafa left
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