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post Feb 14 2017, 09:54 AM, updated 9y ago

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So I bought a 1991 1.6 Mazda Astina 323F (the one with pop-up headlights) and I'm thinking of doing a swap maybe one year down the road after getting all the vital stuff sorted out.

I'm looking at the B6T, but I have a few concerns.

1. Would it fit?
2. Is it carbureted? If not, will the wiring for injection cost a bomb?
3. Will JPJ decline the endorsement because of a stock turbo charged engine?
4. Is it even worth it?

Also, open topic for the Astina in general. Love the look and overall design of the car!
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post Feb 14 2017, 09:59 AM

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you should've taken all these into consideration, finding out the answer to all of the above questions BEFORE u buy it.... if that's your purpose of buying this car...


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QUOTE(kayz1e @ Feb 14 2017, 09:59 AM)
you should've taken all these into consideration, finding out the answer to all of the above questions BEFORE u buy it....  if that's your purpose of buying this car...
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I understand, some people tell me the same thing like get a local car for better reliability yadda yadda heard it all before, the thing is I make poor financial choices to fulfill myself, and driving/repairing/restoring the Astina feels good so... No offense, but I'm looking for advice on the current rather than what should-have-been.
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 09:54 AM)
So I bought a 1991 1.6 Mazda Astina 323F (the one with pop-up headlights) and I'm thinking of doing a swap maybe one year down the road after getting all the vital stuff sorted out.

I'm looking at the B6T, but I have a few concerns.

1. Would it fit?
2. Is it carbureted? If not, will the wiring for injection cost a bomb?
3. Will JPJ decline the endorsement because of a stock turbo charged engine?
4. Is it even worth it?

Also, open topic for the Astina in general. Love the look and overall design of the car!
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nice car....reminds me of my childhood..
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 09:54 AM)
So I bought a 1991 1.6 Mazda Astina 323F (the one with pop-up headlights) and I'm thinking of doing a swap maybe one year down the road after getting all the vital stuff sorted out.

I'm looking at the B6T, but I have a few concerns.

1. Would it fit?
2. Is it carbureted? If not, will the wiring for injection cost a bomb?
3. Will JPJ decline the endorsement because of a stock turbo charged engine?
4. Is it even worth it?

Also, open topic for the Astina in general. Love the look and overall design of the car!
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i prefer lantis 323F .. walaaa.. childhood time ..

anyway, you can always research any alternative engine/part option you may choose ..

i heard people say mazda and ford some are sharing same part (during that era la.. )

anyway, happy modding thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(pakdamek @ Feb 14 2017, 10:03 AM)
nice car....reminds me of my childhood..
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You can't imagine! After I got the car, started a lot of nostalgia-induced conversations with the elder generation.
My uncle's first car was a Lantis, absolutely loved it.
Was my father's dream car when he was younger (much younger)
One of my client's sister's first car and he would pinjam just to go out because of the pop-up lights

Not the most reliable or whatever, but absolutely charming to say the least. If can turn it into a sleeper... All the uncles flock to me sia lol.gif
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 09:54 AM)
So I bought a 1991 1.6 Mazda Astina 323F (the one with pop-up headlights) and I'm thinking of doing a swap maybe one year down the road after getting all the vital stuff sorted out.

I'm looking at the B6T, but I have a few concerns.

1. Would it fit?
2. Is it carbureted? If not, will the wiring for injection cost a bomb?
3. Will JPJ decline the endorsement because of a stock turbo charged engine?
4. Is it even worth it?

Also, open topic for the Astina in general. Love the look and overall design of the car!
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like the other poster mentioned... home work should have been done before you invested in it....

1. Would it fit?
-anything can be made to fit.. even a b18c

2. Is it carbureted? If not, will the wiring for injection cost a bomb?
-no its electronic (iirc the turbo models were electronic.... carb engines with turbos? not a great idea if you ask me... abit complicated/difficult do deal with i guess....)
-oh ya a point.... dont ever bother converting a carb to efi... unless everything is readily available OR you just have lots of time and money to spend

3. Will JPJ decline the endorsement because of a stock turbo charged engine?
-should be no issue.... just mountings might be in question.(if the b6d has the same mounts, should be safe... you can ask jpj... they will get back to you by dis/approving it)

4. Is it even worth it?
-no idea... how much is a b6... anyway... money could have been spent on a dif build if you ask me....
-KF-ZE seems to be a great choice if maintanance is not really an issue
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 10:07 AM)
You can't imagine! After I got the car, started a lot of nostalgia-induced conversations with the elder generation.
My uncle's first car was a Lantis, absolutely loved it.
Was my father's dream car when he was younger (much younger)
One of my client's sister's first car and he would pinjam just to go out because of the pop-up lights

Not the most reliable or whatever, but absolutely charming to say the least. If can turn it into a sleeper... All the uncles flock to me sia  lol.gif
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hmmm.... just a thought... why not a 3rd gen prelude with a h22 swap? i really like those things... sleek, sporty and some even have 4ws... cool2.gif

*edit* just realized you have already bought thecar laugh.gif

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 14 2017, 10:07 AM)
like the other poster mentioned... home work should have been done before you invested in it....

1. Would it fit?
-anything can be made to fit.. even a b18c

2. Is it carbureted? If not, will the wiring for injection cost a bomb?
-no its electronic (iirc the turbo models were electronic.... carb engines with turbos? not a great idea if you ask me... abit complicated/difficult do deal with i guess....)
-oh ya a point.... dont ever bother converting a carb to efi... unless everything is readily available OR you just have lots of time and money to spend

3. Will JPJ decline the endorsement because of a stock turbo charged engine?
-should be no issue.... just mountings might be in question.(if the b6d has the same mounts, should be safe... you can ask jpj... they will get back to you by dis/approving it)

4. Is it even worth it?
-no idea... how much is a b6... anyway... money could have been spent on a dif build if you ask me....
-KF-ZE seems to be a great choice if maintanance is not really an issue
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Thanks for the constructive feedback! Anyways not really something I'd do like next week, still open for suggestions.
What makes you say KF-ZE if maintenance not an issue?

BTW, not running on parents money don't worry. All the upgrades/restoration I tank the damage thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 10:02 AM)
too late for that now  icon_idea.gif
I understand, some people tell me the same thing like get a local car for better reliability yadda yadda heard it all before, the thing is I make poor financial choices to fulfill myself, and driving/repairing/restoring the Astina feels good so... No offense, but I'm looking for advice on the current rather than what should-have-been.
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that is true, beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, i guess you have answered it yourself for question number 4....

4. Is it even worth it?
A: "driving/repairing/restoring the Astina feels good", i myself also drive a fairly old 17 years car.... not many understand why, but you don't have to explain yourself as it's YOUR ride
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:13 AM

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is this what you're looking for?

http://www.mudah.my/JDM+Halfcut+Mazda+Fami...5527.htm?last=1
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 14 2017, 10:09 AM)
hmmm.... just a thought... why not a 3rd gen prelude with a h22 swap? i really like those things... sleek, sporty and some even have 4ws... cool2.gif

*edit* just realized you have already bought thecar  laugh.gif
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Ah the Prelude...
3 months ago I've been browsing Mudah like a mad man.
First I wanted an AE92, over budget and plus restoration? I eat zapfan for every meal man.
Prelude also I watched closely. Maintenance too high according to some Honda kakis.
After a while of scrolling mindlessly, suddenly I saw 323 for the first time.

Love at first sight I tell ya, though its 27 y/o this year whistling.gif
Irresponsibe? Yes.
Fulfilling? Hell yes.
Money well spent? Maybe not brows.gif
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(kayz1e @ Feb 14 2017, 10:13 AM)
Haha too slow bro, I already "heart" it in the app thumbup.gif
I hope don't get sold lah, now preparing for the big bill in April sia. Have to jimat2 for one year then can buy.
It's the one and only on Mudah some more, takut lah
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:16 AM

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I surprised people still willing to get cheated doing these

Most just get a new car that perform equally well and no hassle , throw a stone and anry csr will do 200 on the highway , in comfort and quietness
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(djboycalvin @ Feb 14 2017, 10:07 AM)
i prefer lantis 323F .. walaaa.. childhood time ..

anyway, you can always research any alternative engine/part option you may choose ..

i heard people say mazda and ford some are sharing same part (during that era la.. )

anyway, happy modding  thumbsup.gif
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Yup, on the JPJ TnC webpage (forgot where it went) Ford and Mazda is considered same same.
Though on Wikipedia, almost none of Ford's engine suitable for 323, newer Mazdas maybe can swap but not for mine.
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 14 2017, 10:16 AM)
I surprised people still willing to get cheated doing these

Most just get a new car that perform equally well and no hassle , throw a stone and anry csr will do 200 on the highway , in comfort and quietness
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someone like to baked the cake themself and someone like to buy cake outside ..

both not get cheated..
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 10:18 AM)
Yup, on the JPJ TnC webpage (forgot where it went) Ford and Mazda is considered same same.
Though on Wikipedia, almost none of Ford's engine suitable for 323, newer Mazdas maybe can swap but not for mine.
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why not you take picture and start journal of your build .. i think would be fun when u look back what you have done! thumbup.gif
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 14 2017, 10:16 AM)
I surprised people still willing to get cheated doing these

Most just get a new car that perform equally well and no hassle , throw a stone and anry csr will do 200 on the highway , in comfort and quietness
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Cheated as in buying secondhand car and tuning/modding/restoring?
Maybe just personal perspective but here is my very very rough plan:
Car (4k) + Important repairs (8k) + Aesthetics (in and outside, around 3-4k) [also sponsored by lou dao]

As opposed to the Preve I wanted, the moment I buy the car, 10k off market value.

Long run... If can take care I believe secondhand car much more eco, value already kosong biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(djboycalvin @ Feb 14 2017, 10:20 AM)
why not you take picture and start journal of your build .. i think would be fun when u look back what you have done!  thumbup.gif
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"Project ASTINA" is almost complete, "Project ASTINA : Phase 2" going into motion soon rclxms.gif
Got myself a gray TE37 recently,

"JDM af"
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 10:13 AM)
Ah the Prelude...
3 months ago I've been browsing Mudah like a mad man.
First I wanted an AE92, over budget and plus restoration? I eat zapfan for every meal man.
Prelude also I watched closely. Maintenance too high according to some Honda kakis.
After a while of scrolling mindlessly, suddenly I saw 323 for the first time.

Love at first sight I tell ya, though its 27 y/o this year  whistling.gif
Irresponsibe? Yes.
Fulfilling? Hell yes.
Money well spent? Maybe not  brows.gif
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oh god older than my car..... hi5 we should create an old car club!!
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(djboycalvin @ Feb 14 2017, 10:19 AM)
someone like to baked the cake themself and someone like to buy cake outside ..

both not get cheated..
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The baker learns how to bake cake
The buyer knows where to buy cake thumbsup.gif
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:25 AM

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Old Japanese cars always reliable. Myself driving a 1990 Mitsubishi Galant Super Saloon converted to VR4. Only problem is ECU wiring. Every now and then, engine will fire up as 2 cylinders. A little knock on the dashboard and all done.

Try that with latest cars. Too many computers and electronics.
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 14 2017, 10:23 AM)
oh god older than my car..... hi5 we should create an old car club!!
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The "Financially Unwise Car Owners That Are Frowned Upon By The General Public Because The Car Is Fking Old"
FUCOTAFUBTGPBTCIFO Club icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(acbc @ Feb 14 2017, 10:25 AM)
Old Japanese cars always reliable. Myself driving a 1990 Mitsubishi Galant Super Saloon converted to VR4. Only problem is ECU wiring. Every now and then, engine will fire up as 2 cylinders. A little knock on the dashboard and all done.

Try that with latest cars. Too many computers and electronics.
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Yeah that's my main concern... The car came carbureted stock? If convert to ECU could be quite troublesome I think
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 10:28 AM)
Yeah that's my main concern... The car came carbureted stock? If convert to ECU could be quite troublesome I think
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Not really. If wiring from similar model, it is a direct swap.

IMO, carbie cars easier to maintain. If cannot start, either no petrol or weak battery.
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BPT Mazda? better choice but Damn hard to find..

Owned Ford TX3 Coupe BD back in 90's .. with B6 DOHC... that car damn fast..

The B6 engine use mechanical injection (if not mistaken).. you can set the Air/Fuel ratio by a turn of a screw in the intake hose..

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QUOTE(ajaibman @ Feb 14 2017, 10:32 AM)
BPT Mazda? better choice but Damn hard to find..

Owned Ford TX3 Coupe BD back in 90's .. with B6 DOHC... that car damn fast..
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BPT like don't even exist in Malaysia. Mudah no result, Google also come out discussions nia.
According to wiki, I only see European variants and Japanese versions that has slightly more power. No mention is the US or elsewhere in Asia so... Either I strike lottery and ship from overseas, or the lord and savior give me one plus extra cash for labor and JPJ on my birthday

Other than BPT and B6T, other options either Toyota or Honda VTEC engines.
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 10:26 AM)
The "Financially Unwise Car Owners That Are Frowned Upon By The General Public Because The Car Is Fking Old"
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I like it!



if maintanance isnt an issue the v6 should be more interesting..... (tho mods might be very limited)
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:41 AM

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Crap I just recalled, need to touch gear box if change to let's say, the B6T?
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 14 2017, 10:39 AM)
I like it!
if maintanance isnt an issue the v6 should be more interesting..... (tho mods might be very limited)
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The K series engines has V6, but due to JPJ limitation and also realism, a bit overkill to get them. Not saying I wouldn't like a V6 or a V8 thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 10:48 AM)
The K series engines has V6, but due to JPJ limitation and also realism, a bit overkill to get them. Not saying I wouldn't like a V6 or a V8  thumbup.gif
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what jpj limitation?? 1.6>2.0, no issues.... have seen one or 2 converted units around.... (one was a really nice red unit on sale last year, around 20-25k....)
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Sporty looking and nice interior but choppy ride.
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post Feb 14 2017, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 14 2017, 10:51 AM)
what jpj limitation?? 1.6>2.0, no issues.... have seen one or 2 converted units around.... (one was a really nice red unit on sale last year, around 20-25k....)
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Oh ya 2.0 no problem, thanks for reminding! The KF model would be the best la but still.. Expensive, hard to find, and even harder to maintain.

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QUOTE(cedyy @ Feb 14 2017, 10:53 AM)
Sporty looking and nice interior but choppy ride.
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Choppy? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 10:57 AM)
Oh ya 2.0 no problem, thanks for reminding! The KF model would be the best la but still.. Expensive, hard to find, and even harder to maintain.
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i think prices would be on the low side BUT maintanance... yes high side....
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QUOTE(djboycalvin @ Feb 14 2017, 10:19 AM)
someone like to baked the cake themself and someone like to buy cake outside ..

both not get cheated..
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There are no mechanics that do proper job, claim they can , but have no idea what to do.

In the end , engine seldom runs properly , full of warning lights, overheating , leaking oil ,

All they do is trial and error, change this maybe change that

QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 10:21 AM)
Cheated as in buying secondhand car and tuning/modding/restoring?
Maybe just personal perspective but here is my very very rough plan:
Car (4k) + Important repairs (8k) + Aesthetics (in and outside, around 3-4k) [also sponsored by lou dao]

As opposed to the Preve I wanted, the moment I buy the car, 10k off market value.

Long run... If can take care I believe secondhand car much more eco, value already kosong  biggrin.gif
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Again nobody will do a proper job, just hacks that are wasting your time and see that big water fish arrive with daddy support can chop maximum .

If father willing to fork out close to 15k , you can buy hot hatches already . Fiesta st,

Seriously try out the new generation vehicles, it's a buyer's market now , if you take 2016 model, discounts of 10,000 or more is not unheard of

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 14 2017, 11:10 AM)
There are no mechanics that do proper job, claim they can , but have no idea what to do.

In the end , engine seldom runs properly , full of warning lights, overheating , leaking oil ,

All they do is trial and error, change this maybe change that
Again nobody will do a proper job, just hacks that are wasting your time and see that big water fish arrive with daddy support can chop maximum .

If father willing to fork out close to 15k , you can buy hot hatches already . Fiesta st,

Seriously try out the new generation vehicles, it's a buyer's market now , if you take 2016 model, discounts of 10,000 or more is not unheard of
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so you mean that the new car have non of the problem you mention above ?
even you may say is under warranty
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 14 2017, 11:10 AM)
There are no mechanics that do proper job, claim they can , but have no idea what to do.

In the end , engine seldom runs properly , full of warning lights, overheating , leaking oil ,

All they do is trial and error, change this maybe change that
Again nobody will do a proper job, just hacks that are wasting your time and see that big water fish arrive with daddy support can chop maximum .

If father willing to fork out close to 15k , you can buy hot hatches already . Fiesta st,

Seriously try out the new generation vehicles, it's a buyer's market now , if you take 2016 model, discounts of 10,000 or more is not unheard of
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Sir again you're missing the point here... I already have the car, this thread adheres to the topic I've initially set out on, not "Just bought Astina 323, was it a good idea?"
Maybe the mechanic you encounter sucks, I also see many before (mum's sis') and they just buat and in the end more problems, end up have to overhaul.
The mechanic I visit every time also say my car troublesome, but good thing is he enjoys fixing it because he always get common cars. The price he charge me also considered super reasonable, I won't say super cheap lah.
All in all... I understand why you don't agree with my choice, like I said before a lot of people also say money hole lah or bad choice what not.
Well let's just put it this way: I saved up for a car to get around, but I also wanted something that I actually like rather than full on 'reliable', no fun cussing at a 15 year old Iswara anyways rclxub.gif

We have totally different views, I'm open to warnings or advice but my mind is already set on restoring the car. Expensive hobby as compared to collecting vape mods (?) or golf, but in essence it is still a hobby to me.
Some like sports, some like collecting, and some like to spend a fortune to restore old cars biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(djboycalvin @ Feb 14 2017, 11:20 AM)
so you mean that the new car have non of the problem you mention above ?
even you may say is under warranty
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Absolutely none, nothing can beat a brand new engine vs a completely clapped out, hacked up, mismatched engine with unknown history being jammed into an even older vehicle

Everything is just so so tired , worn , it's not worth the money , time and effort.
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 11:21 AM)
Sir again you're missing the point here... I already have the car, this thread adheres to the topic I've initially set out on, not "Just bought Astina 323, was it a good idea?"
Maybe the mechanic you encounter sucks, I also see many before (mum's sis') and they just buat and in the end more problems, end up have to overhaul.
The mechanic I visit every time also say my car troublesome, but good thing is he enjoys fixing it because he always get common cars. The price he charge me also considered super reasonable, I won't say super cheap lah.
All in all... I understand why you don't agree with my choice, like I said before a lot of people also say money hole lah or bad choice what not.
Well let's just put it this way: I saved up for a car to get around, but I also wanted something that I actually like rather than full on 'reliable', no fun cussing at a 15 year old Iswara anyways  rclxub.gif

We have totally different views, I'm open to warnings or advice but my mind is already set on restoring the car. Expensive hobby as compared to collecting vape mods (?) or golf, but in essence it is still a hobby to me.
Some like sports, some like collecting, and some like to spend a fortune to restore old cars  biggrin.gif
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If it was a collector car no issue, worth to spend some money , but it's just a run of the mill car, keep it running but not worth spending anymore money on it

And get a new car
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 14 2017, 11:24 AM)
Absolutely none, nothing can beat a brand new engine vs a completely clapped out, hacked up, mismatched engine with unknown history being jammed into an even older vehicle

Everything is just so so tired , worn , it's not worth the money , time and effort.
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lel, good to heard that and i not going to continue debate this with you thumbsup.gif
you may spend some time to visit some other car club forum then u understand what i am saying ..
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 14 2017, 11:25 AM)
If it was a collector car no issue, worth to spend some money , but it's just a run of the mill car, keep it running but not worth spending anymore money on it

And get a new car
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Cheated as in buying secondhand car and tuning/modding/restoring?
Maybe just personal perspective but here is my very very rough plan:
Car (4k) + Important repairs (8k) + Aesthetics (in and outside, around 3-4k) [also sponsored by lou dao]

As opposed to the Preve I wanted, the moment I buy the car, 10k off market value.

Long run... If can take care I believe secondhand car much more eco, value already kosong  biggrin.gif
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ehhh just read.....

u got the car for 4k?? whats the condition like?
Car (4k)
-i hope its in decent condition
Important repairs (8k)
-i assume the engine swap falls within this scope..
-remember you might want to replace wear and tear bits on a halfcut engine... hoses, belts, turbos, sparkies, gaskets (if not gone)
-dont know if you need a new exhaust system.... of if its got holes in it
-bushings/mounts (this can cost a few k alone)
-absorbers if gone
-pads
Aesthetics (in and outside, around 3-4k)
-now heres where its difficult...
-2k would get you an ok paint job...
-interior, this is where things can get scarry.... dash alright cracks? any missing trim? the trim alone can cost a big bomb... rewrappig the seats a few hundred.... dash bits cost quite alot, steering hu all that.

really depends on how far you want to take it......
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Lol, such close mindedness

Oh well , you try to help but there's not enough intelligence , no one can help

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 14 2017, 11:35 AM)
ehhh just read.....

u got the car for 4k?? whats the condition like?
Car (4k)
-i hope its in decent condition
Important repairs (8k)
-i assume the engine swap falls within this scope..
-remember you might want to replace wear and tear bits on a halfcut engine... hoses, belts, turbos, sparkies, gaskets (if not gone)
-dont know if you need a new exhaust system.... of if its got holes in it
-bushings/mounts (this can cost a few k alone)
-absorbers if gone
-pads
Aesthetics (in and outside, around 3-4k)
-now heres where its difficult...
-2k would get you an ok paint job...
-interior, this is where things can get scarry.... dash alright cracks? any missing trim? the trim alone can cost a big bomb... rewrappig the seats a few hundred.... dash bits cost quite alot, steering hu all that.

really depends on how far you want to take it......
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Car went for cheap cuz owner had to go Australia ASAP, important repairs included gasket change, spark plugs, wheels and rims, ignition leads, gear bush lower arm bushings + ball joints, power steering hose, timing belt, AC belt, alternator belt, radiator hose, new set of HWL absorbers, brake pads, and steering (old one can snap in half easily)
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 14 2017, 11:35 AM)
Lol, such close mindedness

Oh well , you try to help but there's not enough intelligence , no one can help

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Relax bro... I already mention time and time again, yes I will spend a lot.
Look, some people like new cars (like you), and some people like old cars (like me), that sounds pretty open minded in the simplest form possible; understanding preference.

Bottom line, I'm asking A you're giving B. Just scroll back few pages and read again hmm.gif

Suka hati u, honestly. Sorry I triggered you earlier but you're really not answering the question!
If you want my view on why I chose to restore.... (in case you think I'm some nincompoop that didn't research beforehand)
-total price after repairs maybe few upgrades, less than 20k (including repaint)
-mazda parts are not easy to find, not hard either
-most of the parts are interchangable with Ford's
-first car, only have 4k saved up
-not sure why, bank won't give loan for 9k corolla, nor will they layan an 8 y/o manual saga going for 15k (I tried many times believe me)
-they are still on the road
-FF layout, easy to handle
-globally recognized
-a lot of space in the engine bay for upgrades

I would bash myself if I got a BT KE-70 and be Takumi, 323 was not a good choice nor was it bad. It just takes some time.
Hey, I'm learning a lot about a car that I drive 24/7! That's a huge plus IMO.
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 14 2017, 10:09 AM)
hmmm.... just a thought... why not a 3rd gen prelude with a h22 swap? i really like those things... sleek, sporty and some even have 4ws... cool2.gif

*edit* just realized you have already bought thecar  laugh.gif
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Lu ari ari Prelude & yes, I totally agreed that Prelude is the King of JDM during its era

Btw, is replacement parts easily available for thie 3rf Gen Prelude ?


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Lu ari ari Prelude & yes, I totally agreed that Prelude is the King of JDM during its era

Btw, is replacement parts easily available for thie 3rf Gen Prelude ?
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i really like the car man.... of that era... one of my fav haha (strangely i dont really like those sharp edged cars, but the prelude is nice)

parts... well... some trim bits difficult.... new bits also susah but halfcut bits are ok... many fellas stockpiled those used wear and tear bits.
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If it was a collector car no issue, worth to spend some money , but it's just a run of the mill car, keep it running but not worth spending anymore money on it

And get a new car
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you have your points no doubt... some people do a job for the sake of just getting it done or just want to be cheap and put in as little money as possible.... these are things one should never do, asking for trouble.
however a properly researched and built car will come out really nice.

sometimes theres just a sense of joy and satisfaction when building a car for yourself, im sure ts understands that for every 1k he puts into it, he will probably get about 100 out of it. (i hope you understand this ts... its something that might come as a huge blow to you otherwise.)

and yes one thing i agree with you here is that this particular car might not have been a great base to start off with (due to several factors, part rarity and value primarily) but one thing said, if he puts effort into it, it will be unique.



QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 11:48 AM)
Relax bro... I already mention time and time again, yes I will spend a lot.
Look, some people like new cars (like you), and some people like old cars (like me), that sounds pretty open minded in the simplest form possible; understanding preference.

Bottom line, I'm asking A you're giving B. Just scroll back few pages and read again  hmm.gif

Suka hati u, honestly. Sorry I triggered you earlier but you're really not answering the question!
If you want my view on why I chose to restore.... (in case you think I'm some nincompoop that didn't research beforehand)
-total price after repairs maybe few upgrades, less than 20k (including repaint)
-mazda parts are not easy to find, not hard either
-most of the parts are interchangable with Ford's
-first car, only have 4k saved up
-not sure why, bank won't give loan for 9k corolla, nor will they layan an 8 y/o manual saga going for 15k (I tried many times believe me)
-they are still on the road
-FF layout, easy to handle
-globally recognized
-a lot of space in the engine bay for upgrades

I would bash myself if I got a BT KE-70 and be Takumi, 323 was not a good choice nor was it bad. It just takes some time.
Hey, I'm learning a lot about a car that I drive 24/7! That's a huge plus IMO.
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323... not so common nowadays, you will probably stand out....
if you are planning to keep long term, its an alright car..... nothing wrong with it

*edit... careful about the little tiny bits... you might think... senang cari...
its sometimes more susahhhhhh than one might expect.... rclxs0.gif

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i really like the car man.... of that era... one of my fav haha (strangely i dont really like those sharp edged cars, but the prelude is nice)

parts... well... some trim bits difficult.... new bits also susah but halfcut bits are ok... many fellas stockpiled those used wear and tear bits.
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meaning still can get if wanna find ?

http://www.mudah.my/1989+Honda+Prelude+2+0+A+-51752821.htm

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cannn parts u cari the prelude group.... they have the strings.... (4th gen easier to jaga tho)

that car.. bodykit i x suka... careful bout
1)wirings in these cars... can be dodgy...
2)rust round the windows and boot area (solvable but $$$)
3)window seals side and front and rear... so old.. alot kaput dah
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you have your points no doubt... some people do a job for the sake of just getting it done or just want to be cheap and put in as little money as possible.... these are things one should never do, asking for trouble.
however a properly researched and built car will come out really nice.

sometimes theres just a sense of joy and satisfaction when building a car for yourself, im sure ts understands that for every 1k he puts into it, he will probably get about 100 out of it. (i hope you understand this ts... its something that might come as a huge blow to you otherwise.)

and yes one thing i agree with you here is that this particular car might not have been a great base to start off with (due to several factors, part rarity and value primarily) but one thing said, if he puts effort into it, it will be unique.
323... not so common nowadays, you will probably stand out....
if you are planning to keep long term, its an alright car..... nothing wrong with it

*edit... careful about the little tiny bits... you might think... senang cari...
its sometimes more susahhhhhh than one might expect.... rclxs0.gif
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Especially the seat... Driver one got lubang, still can drive la but when go Rawang from PJ, one hour drive, my bontot fking hot, sweaty, and uncomfortable.
FYI, these are some of the things I have yet to fix

power window, rear wiper, rear-left door lock not working, clutch pad (at the workshop atm to settle), right light is limp (hand itchy tried to adjust the angle, end up screwing up the ball joint mega_shok.gif ), steering rack, speedometer motor (not too sure about this yet), door rubber thing (when I go past 80kmh my window starts to whistle), remove cat, and starter motor.

Slowly lo, I want to start Public Mutual also difficult. At least don't owe bank money for 9 years for a car that I might not even drive for that long thumbup.gif
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you have your points no doubt... some people do a job for the sake of just getting it done or just want to be cheap and put in as little money as possible.... these are things one should never do, asking for trouble.
however a properly researched and built car will come out really nice.

sometimes theres just a sense of joy and satisfaction when building a car for yourself, im sure ts understands that for every 1k he puts into it, he will probably get about 100 out of it. (i hope you understand this ts... its something that might come as a huge blow to you otherwise.)

and yes one thing i agree with you here is that this particular car might not have been a great base to start off with (due to several factors, part rarity and value primarily) but one thing said, if he puts effort into it, it will be unique.
323... not so common nowadays, you will probably stand out....
if you are planning to keep long term, its an alright car..... nothing wrong with it

*edit... careful about the little tiny bits... you might think... senang cari...
its sometimes more susahhhhhh than one might expect.... rclxs0.gif
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Many don't take into account the motivation factor , a lot is hangat hangat tahi Ayam. Seen it many times , pocket got cash , hyped up adrenaline going then once the project start , much much bigger hurdles you will start to lose motivation .

It ALWAYS happens like new year resolutions

One major failure, one part cannot be located, then the car starts to sit , days become weeks become months , you get busy with other things, tyres start to flat and next thing you know totally lost interest in it.

Now you have all the money dumped into it, the car is even more worthless than it was, you have to pay to get rid of it, now what ?
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this is true.... applies to me also... half way through... haiyah susah cari... ill wait for it to fall out of the sky into my hands one day laugh.gif
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Many don't take into account the motivation factor , a lot is hangat hangat tahi Ayam.  Seen it many times , pocket got cash , hyped up adrenaline going then once the project start , much much bigger hurdles you will start to lose motivation .

It ALWAYS happens like new year resolutions

One major failure, one part cannot be located, then the car starts to sit , days become weeks become months , you get busy with other things, tyres start to flat and next thing you know totally lost interest in it.

Now you have all the money dumped into it, the car is even more worthless than it was, you have to pay to get rid of it, now what ?
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Ah, interesting point. I left out the fact that this is literally a I have.
To clear things up no this isn't some new years resolution, it was my plan since Oct 2015. Rejected over and over by banks, keep getting financial drawbacks, and going to work by Uber/Grabcar really eats away your budget. After one year I've finally saved enough and haggled my way to a sporty first car. I know about the heavy repairs that would come underway, but it's something I've achieved at 21 and I feel proud of it. Regardless, it is still the only thing I have not some trophy I keep for fun. I drive it to work, to go yumcha, to go friend place, to go play sports, etc etc. And really, less than 20k for a Japanese car with pop-ups? Bloody steal if you ask me.
About the adrenaline part, refer to above (it is my only way to get around).

To your last point... A car is after all made of smaller parts. It's like the Ship of Theseus, after replacing everything 1-to-1, is it still the same car? Thing is, if really take care, I can go far with this car I'm sure of it. To you it may not be promising as you've not inspected it in the flesh, but you are entitled to your own opinions and I understand your concern. Might even get sappy that you actually care about my personal finance that much, so thanks brows.gif
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Fulamak off topic like shit.

Any other engines to recommend? Eco/fast/tahan lasak, anything also can smile.gif
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 01:13 PM)
Ah, interesting point. I left out the fact that this is literally a I have.
To clear things up no this isn't some new years resolution, it was my plan since Oct 2015. Rejected over and over by banks, keep getting financial drawbacks, and going to work by Uber/Grabcar really eats away your budget. After one year I've finally saved enough and haggled my way to a sporty first car. I know about the heavy repairs that would come underway, but it's something I've achieved at 21 and I feel proud of it. Regardless, it is still the only thing I have not some trophy I keep for fun. I drive it to work, to go yumcha, to go friend place, to go play sports, etc etc. And really, less than 20k for a Japanese car with pop-ups? Bloody steal if you ask me.
About the adrenaline part, refer to above (it is my only way to get around).

To your last point... A car is after all made of smaller parts. It's like the Ship of Theseus, after replacing everything 1-to-1, is it still the same car? Thing is, if really take care, I can go far with this car I'm sure of it. To you it may not be promising as you've not inspected it in the flesh, but you are entitled to your own opinions and I understand your concern. Might even get sappy that you actually care about my personal finance that much, so thanks  brows.gif
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Well put it the other way , if you started with 20k in the pocket and looking for a car , would you still pick a junker and try to patch it up or get a less tired car or even a new car altogether .

If you said it was an mx5, or even Honda type R , mini cooper, volks bug, ok lah not bad

And you had gone through so much as you said, think about how regretful you will feel if the project really fails. You will be like , I should have just gotten something better altogether and not wasted all these time .

Sometimes worth to take a step back and look at it again considering all options. Don't get tunnel vision

Your point 4. Is it even worth it ?

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Well put it the other way , if you started with 20k in the pocket and looking for a car , would you still pick a junker and try to patch it up or get a less tired car or even a new car altogether .

If you said it was an mx5, or even Honda type R , mini cooper, volks bug, ok lah not bad

And you had gone through so much as you said, think about how regretful you will feel if the project really fails. You will be like , I should have just gotten something better altogether and not wasted all these time .

Sometimes worth to take a step back and look at it again considering all options. Don't get tunnel vision
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Wow you really didn't understand a single thing I said? Please help me look for a Type R for 20 thousand ringgit, let alone the mini thumbsup.gif

Why would I be regretful if the restoration is almost complete? Again, please please please, read this thread's topic.
Look advice is ok, unsolicited financial advice? Who you think will listen? Especially when I wasn't even talking about it.

You like new cars, cool. You do you, really. But look, let's tone it down yeah let's say a Preve, roughly 80k la yeah. If cash then great, cool you saved up 80k in cash and owe the bank nothing; if not, you'll need a bank loan for 7-9 years. Assume after 7 years you want to sell the car (after you settle the loan), how much you think can sell? Secondhand Preve now, never exceed 50k, how much you lose? Don't forget ya, 80k is RRP, the interest that goes to the bank will add on lets say another 5 thousand (just an example). Best case scenario you find one guy want to buy for 50k. 85-50 = __ thousand, that's how much you made a clean loss off of.
As for a restored Astina let's say I spent 20k into it, literal worst case scenario for me if it was 20 thousand: Even if the car total loss, I'd lose less assets that you did over the years, and all the money I used was purely for the car itself, no compound interest no down payment. Let's assume the car runs another 7 years just to be on par with the Preve, I still wouldn't make that big of a loss in the end! Even if the car is considered total loss! Plus, in the event that it does crash and burn, I simply have to fork out another few thousand for another secondhand car, by the time I'm sure I'll have a steady income as I already do at the moment. With the knowledge that I've gained from restoring my Astina, I know how to spot and haggle for my next secondhand car.

Your misconception that new cars are just ultimately better than old cars makes you kind of a hypocrite in reference to what you said before, no?
"close minded" and "no intelligence", and you would suggest a volks or an mx-5 when I've clearly asked the questions in my first post?
I have a fine example of ignorance and the inability to comprehend simple conveyance of a shared concern for you:


If you don't know any engines that can swap into a 323, if you don't know jack about restoring/tuning cars, if you have never swapped let alone tuned a car before, if you have no relative input for the topic at hand... Then you have nothing to offer here.

Also, why are you so salty? I'm not using your money dude shakehead.gif
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Wow you really didn't understand a single thing I said? Please help me look for a Type R for 20 thousand ringgit, let alone the mini :thumbsup:

Why would I be regretful if the restoration is almost complete? Again, please please please, read this thread's topic.
Look advice is ok, unsolicited financial advice? Who you think will listen? Especially when I wasn't even talking about it.

You like new cars, cool. You do you, really. But look, let's tone it down yeah let's say a Preve, roughly 80k la yeah. If cash then great, cool you saved up 80k in cash and owe the bank nothing; if not, you'll need a bank loan for 7-9 years. Assume after 7 years you want to sell the car (after you settle the loan), how much you think can sell? Secondhand Preve now, never exceed 50k, how much you lose? Don't forget ya, 80k is RRP, the interest that goes to the bank will add on lets say another 5 thousand (just an example). Best case scenario you find one guy want to buy for 50k. 85-50 = __ thousand, that's how much you made a clean loss off of.
As for a restored Astina let's say I spent 20k into it, literal worst case scenario for me if it was 20 thousand: Even if the car total loss, I'd lose less assets that you did over the years, and all the money I used was purely for the car itself, no compound interest no down payment. Let's assume the car runs another 7 years just to be on par with the Preve, I still wouldn't make that big of a loss in the end! Even if the car is considered total loss! Plus, in the event that it does crash and burn, I simply have to fork out another few thousand for another secondhand car, by the time I'm sure I'll have a steady income as I already do at the moment. With the knowledge that I've gained from restoring my Astina, I know how to spot and haggle for my next secondhand car.

Your misconception that new cars are just ultimately better than old cars makes you kind of a hypocrite in reference to what you said before, no?
"close minded" and "no intelligence", and you would suggest a volks or an mx-5 when I've clearly asked the questions in my first post?
I have a fine example of ignorance and the inability to comprehend simple conveyance of a shared concern for you:
If you don't know any engines that can swap into a 323, if you don't know jack about restoring/tuning cars, if you have never swapped let alone tuned a car before, if you have no relative input for the topic at hand... Then you have nothing to offer here.

Also, why are you so salty? I'm not using your money dude  shakehead.gif
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You asked if it's worth it

It is not.

Why you get offended ?

Gila , no wonder banks also don't want to entertain

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You asked if it's worth it

It is not.

Why you get offended ?

Gila , no wonder banks also don't want to entertain
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You're clearly out of your element here, you contributed literally nothing, at least my thread is always on top thanks to this pointless back and forth.

I asked if it's worth because I'm looking for people who have swapped engines into old cars before, people that has experience with it and simply seeking non-financial advice. Price for the engine I want is all out there, JPJ can endorse no problem those have been sorted by the helpful bunch.

If you're just looking to pick a bone instead of giving any sort of helpful information at all then ya know... what can I do.
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The route you've taken isn't conventional, but I sense that its a risk that may turn out fulfilling later, depending on your motivations. Personally I wish I can restore an old car as a project too. Not many can understand the passion and drives this. They think it's 'not logical'.

Put it this way, what if TS bought a 'proper' car and later regretted the choice he made but couldn't turn back time cause he has lost more to depreciation and yet no where close to what he initially wanted, which is a project car. Then the logic would've been to buy a cheap car at the first place.

It all depends on point of view and some people here are just more used to the mainstream view and they nickpick their friend's failed projects as a deterrent factor that works to their views. Not that anything is wrong with that, but allow la for differing views.

Anyhow, the 323 is a beautiful car, I wish you all the best in your project and do keep us updated. Obviously you would already know that the journey is full of lows amongst the highs but if you are looking to enjoy the journey itself, I think you'll do just great thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 03:03 PM)
You're clearly out of your element here, you contributed literally nothing, at least my thread is always on top thanks to this pointless back and forth.

I asked if it's worth because I'm looking for people who have swapped engines into old cars before, people that has experience with it and simply seeking non-financial advice. Price for the engine I want is all out there, JPJ can endorse no problem those have been sorted by the helpful bunch.

If you're just looking to pick a bone instead of giving any sort of helpful information at all then ya know... what can I do.
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People have done that already swap old engines into old cars and none have ever succeeded in keeping the car for very long. You can see yourself , there are no more converted cars on the roads anymore wiralutoons, civics , whatever all have gone away.

I have friends who all have gone down that road and all have regretted the time wasted , there is no quality in mechanics in Malaysia at all. And this was 15 years ago when the engines are 15 years younger.



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People have done that already swap old engines into old cars and none have ever succeeded in keeping the car for very long. You can see yourself , there are no more converted cars on the roads anymore wiralutoons, civics , whatever all have gone away.

I have friends who all have gone down that road and all have regretted the time wasted , there is no quality in mechanics in Malaysia at all. And this was 15 years ago when the engines are 15 years younger.
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wiralutoons, civics < ehh jangan. still around yo..... most of the really nice ones are parked and hidden away.
most of these fellas own more than 1 car, usually an other car to drive daily. #petrolmahal

i know quite a number of owners who have kept their old cars many years after swapping them.
Admittedly, the guys who do this are those who have really pampered their cars spent tons of money on them (some who i know twice the car's value) and just dont wana sell them (or have tried and cannot sell them for the price they want biggrin.gif)... pure dedication is required....
those who were not really dedicated to their cars or do a half past six cheap job? Yeah these guys usually end up selling their cars as half done up projects.
*ts this is why im warning you 1st.... 1) you will not get back whatever you put into the car 2) if you intend to keep it long term, get it done right the 1st time!!!

far as quality mechanics... you have to carilah.... far as vtek mechanics go... there are plenty! evo mechanics... also plenty!!
long as you are willing to spend the $ mechanics are not really an issue. Problem is ppl buy these cars cheap, then dont want to spend much on maintaining them. Their ideas are.. spend 20k on a car... why should they spend another 20k refurbishing them... its another 20k they will never see again!
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This is the 4th page. I think it is time to employ the "if you find the post offending, don't reply to it" policy and move along.
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 14 2017, 03:40 PM)
wiralutoons, civics < ehh jangan. still around yo..... most of the really nice ones are parked and hidden away.
most of these fellas own more than 1 car, usually an other car to drive daily. #petrolmahal

i know quite a number of owners who have kept their old cars many years after swapping them.
Admittedly, the guys who do this are those who have really pampered their cars spent tons of money on them (some who i know twice the car's value) and just dont wana sell them (or have tried and cannot sell them for the price they want  biggrin.gif)... pure dedication is required....
those who were not really dedicated to their cars or do a half past six cheap job? Yeah these guys usually end up selling their cars as half done up projects.
*ts this is why im warning you 1st.... 1) you will not get back whatever you put into the car 2) if you intend to keep it long term, get it done right the 1st time!!!

far as quality mechanics... you have to carilah.... far as vtek mechanics go... there are plenty! evo mechanics... also plenty!!
long as you are willing to spend the $ mechanics are not really an issue. Problem is ppl buy these cars cheap, then dont want to spend much on maintaining them. Their ideas are.. spend 20k on a car... why should they spend another 20k refurbishing them... its another 20k they will never see again!
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Many i am sure have become too impractical to drive, too unreliable to so any sort of long distance , too uncomfortable and no more resale because that hobby is effectively sunset . Keep until one day sell for loss because need money

That is the most likely end.
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Many i am sure have become too impractical to drive, too unreliable to so any sort of long distance , too uncomfortable and no more resale because that hobby is effectively sunset . Keep until one day sell for loss because need money

That is the most likely end.
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Wow you really die-hard fully stock fan
What car do you daily anyways?
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I agree on certain points from rcracer because myself is also restoring A31 now. Sometimes manyak pening waiting for parts only used available. Old car is all about time and money. Another thing TS needs to know is old car cannot get 1st party insurance anymore. In case of accident, your insurance only cover people's car. Imagine your insurance is not enough to cover, you will force to pay cash. So be extra vigilant if its your daily ride.
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Wow you really die-hard fully stock fan
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QUOTE(taufufa @ Feb 14 2017, 05:16 PM)
I agree on certain points from rcracer because myself is also restoring A31 now. Sometimes manyak pening waiting for parts only used available. Old car is all about time and money. Another thing TS needs to know is old car cannot get 1st party insurance anymore. In case of accident, your insurance only cover people's car. Imagine your insurance is not enough to cover, you will force to pay cash. So be extra vigilant if its your daily ride.
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That's an interesting point, about the insurance. Thanks for the info!

How's your A31? Any tips?
Feel like starting another thread about restoring ancient cars 🤔
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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Feb 14 2017, 03:16 PM)
The route you've taken isn't conventional, but I sense that its a risk that may turn out fulfilling later, depending on your motivations. Personally I wish I can restore an old car as a project too. Not many can understand the passion and drives this. They think it's 'not logical'.

Put it this way, what if TS bought a 'proper' car and later regretted the choice he made but couldn't turn back time cause he has lost more to depreciation and yet no where close to what he initially wanted, which is a project car. Then the logic would've been to buy a cheap car at the first place.

It all depends on point of view and some people here are just more used to the mainstream view and they nickpick their friend's failed projects as a deterrent factor that works to their views. Not that anything is wrong with that, but allow la for differing views.

Anyhow, the 323 is a beautiful car, I wish you all the best in your project and do keep us updated. Obviously you would already know that the journey is full of lows amongst the highs but if you are looking to enjoy the journey itself, I think you'll do just great thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 14 2017, 05:18 PM)
1997 proton wira 1.5 gl auto, carburetor , 72 full tank travel 200km only
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Not bad, done anything to the car?
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That's an interesting point, about the insurance. Thanks for the info!

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that might be nais...theres a thread in zth but its talking about old cars not really about restoring em....
anyway ur car belum lagi ancient.....

insurance, actually far as 90's cars go (older than 1990 am not sure) can still get 1st party/comprehensive but its usually only offered to cars whose value is still pretty high. And the premiums are sometimes stupendously high....
try axa..... (i myself am under kurnia, early 90's) i only curse the premiums + loadings.... ranting.gif
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 14 2017, 05:54 PM)
that might be nais...theres a thread in zth but its talking about old cars not really about restoring em....
anyway ur car belum lagi ancient.....

insurance, actually far as 90's cars go (older than 1990 am not sure) can still get 1st party/comprehensive but its usually only offered to cars whose value is still pretty high. And the premiums are sometimes stupendously high....
try axa..... (i myself am under kurnia, early 90's) i only curse the premiums + loadings.... ranting.gif
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Yeah I can't afford premium last time anyways, but not like anyone wants to insure a 27 year old car lah

Jimat lo, partition some cash into another account treat it like my own personal insurance lmao

Hmm or maybe an old car restoration club, now that would be fun 😄
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 14 2017, 05:18 PM)
1997 proton wira 1.5 gl auto, carburetor , 72 full tank travel 200km only
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One of my car is a Wira 1997 , carb too , but manual version

rm50 can drive me 350km inclusive of Expressway & not so jam town driving.

if your gearbox kong, worth converting to manual if you intend to keep this car cause Wira parts is cheap & aplenty

For TS, keep your passion going cause I also bought a used E46 & also have in mind to transplant a bigger capacity engine if the current engine sucks , I actually have a few options , either a halfcut BMW or 2Jz , endorsing will be done via the mech cause they will provide all in 1 service........& I just need ready the Cash devil.gif
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QUOTE(digilife @ Feb 14 2017, 06:01 PM)
One of my car is a Wira 1997 , carb too , but manual version

rm50 can drive me 350km inclusive of Expressway & not so jam town driving.

if your gearbox kong, worth converting to manual if you intend to keep this car cause Wira parts is cheap & aplenty

For TS, keep your passion going cause I also bought a used E46 & also have in mind to transplant a bigger capacity engine if the current engine sucks , I actually have a few options , either a halfcut BMW or 2Jz , endorsing will be done via the mech cause they will provide all in 1 service........& I just need ready the Cash  devil.gif
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Wapiang 3.0, k la below 2.0 is all I'm after... I just wanna go faster nia.
Then again half-cut BM engine sounds interesting. What do you recommend?
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QUOTE(digilife @ Feb 14 2017, 06:01 PM)
One of my car is a Wira 1997 , carb too , but manual version

rm50 can drive me 350km inclusive of Expressway & not so jam town driving.

if your gearbox kong, worth converting to manual if you intend to keep this car cause Wira parts is cheap & aplenty

For TS, keep your passion going cause I also bought a used E46 & also have in mind to transplant a bigger capacity engine if the current engine sucks , I actually have a few options , either a halfcut BMW or 2Jz , endorsing will be done via the mech cause they will provide all in 1 service........& I just need ready the Cash  devil.gif
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 06:10 PM)
Wapiang 3.0, k la below 2.0 is all I'm after... I just wanna go faster nia.
Then again half-cut BM engine sounds interesting. What do you recommend?
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 06:10 PM)
Wapiang 3.0, k la below 2.0 is all I'm after... I just wanna go faster nia.
Then again half-cut BM engine sounds interesting. What do you recommend?
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ahha that was suggestions for himself.... for you, that is a whole can of worms you dont wana try open...

suggest you just keep the current engine for now and do more homework dulu......

also suggest you consider something which is a direct swap, i dont think you are ready for a complicated engine swap. cheaper and less of a headache
remember whole wiring loom must go together.. meter cluster has to fit too.... on the plus side old cars less electrical shenanigans to deal with (not even thinking about clearances, mountings, matching stuff up, shafts)
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QUOTE(digilife @ Feb 14 2017, 06:15 PM)
The nice one is M54B30

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Interesting.... never thought of putting German muscle into a Japanese car. Does it even fit and is it even safe/legal? 🤔
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2Jz including everything will cost you abt rm20k into a Beemer

Beemer esp E46 is a good car to transplant a highspeed engine cause its heavy car & the weight distribution is really gooding but bewarn the ECU & wiring could be a big issues if the mech is not a specialist on this kind of transplant.


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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 06:19 PM)
Interesting.... never thought of putting German muscle into a Japanese car. Does it even fit and is it even safe/legal? 🤔
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But I dun think you can get it endorsed unless you want to Ahem Ahem it,
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 14 2017, 06:19 PM)
ahha that was suggestions for himself.... for you, that is a whole can of worms you dont wana try open...

suggest you just keep the current engine for now and do more homework dulu......

also suggest you consider something which is a direct swap, i dont think you are ready for a complicated engine swap. cheaper and less of a headache
remember whole wiring loom must go together.. meter cluster has to fit too.... on the plus side old cars less electrical shenanigans to deal with (not even thinking about clearances, mountings, matching stuff up, shafts)
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Agreed, but dreaming about it also feels good yeah

Direct swap.... I suppose B6T is the most suitable and realistic candidate. Blacktops really high in demand, and Honda engine.... see how lah, the B16 still sounds tempting. VTEC man, VTEC.
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 14 2017, 02:15 PM)
Well put it the other way , if you started with 20k in the pocket and looking for a car , would you still pick a junker and try to patch it up or get a less tired car or even a new car altogether .

If you said it was an mx5, or even Honda type R , mini cooper, volks bug, ok lah not bad

And you had gone through so much as you said, think about how regretful you will feel if the project really fails. You will be like , I should have just gotten something better altogether and not wasted all these time .

Sometimes worth to take a step back and look at it again considering all options. Don't get tunnel vision

Your point 4. Is it even worth it ?
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 06:21 PM)
Agreed, but dreaming about it also feels good yeah

Direct swap.... I suppose B6T is the most suitable and realistic candidate. Blacktops really high in demand, and Honda engine.... see how lah, the B16 still sounds tempting. VTEC man, VTEC.
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no offencelah but b16a is way outa your budget.... rclxub.gif and again you gona have to make custom mounts, exhausts, wirings... and last but not least... 10/10 illegal.... (not sure about that dif make transplant form tho, but selling off in the future is definitely very difficult)

if u really want a b16a... why not sell off the 323 and get a honda.... not much more expensive, parts are easier see where this is going? innocent.gif
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 05:39 PM)
That's an interesting point, about the insurance. Thanks for the info!

How's your A31? Any tips?
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So far my car no biggy. All parts are functional. My expectation is car paint looks good, no rust and engine is healthy. The rest still can close one eye. Playing old car must have reliable forman. I have one specialized in nissan and RB engine. His charges are very reasonable. He is helpful enough to source most parts. I just pay him and he will kautim everything .

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 14 2017, 06:25 PM)
no offencelah but b16a is way outa your budget.... rclxub.gif and again you gona have to make custom mounts, exhausts, wirings... and last but not least... 10/10 illegal.... (not sure about that dif make transplant form tho, but selling off in the future is definitely very difficult)

if u really want a b16a... why not sell off the 323 and get a honda.... not much more expensive, parts are easier see where this is going?  innocent.gif
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Next project perhaps? Not at the moment, have to muster through the income tax payment first.

How much is the B16A alone? Just wanna know je
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QUOTE(taufufa @ Feb 14 2017, 06:32 PM)
So far my car no biggy. All parts are functional. My expectation is car paint looks good, no rust and engine is healthy. The rest still can close one eye. Playing old car must have reliable forman. I have one specialized in nissan and RB engine. His charges are very reasonable. He is helpful enough to source most parts. I just pay him and he will kautim everything .
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Yeah the guy handling my car now pretty decent man.
The only employee working since it's his own shop
I tried others... "overhaul engine la bro, car so old.... I give you cheap price la ok 6 thousand". I ask why they say just in case, later engine meletup don't say they never warn.
Deng, only thing meletup in my car before is my friend's vape.
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Not bad, done anything to the car?
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Nope , nothing , it's not worth to spend anything more other than what is needed to keep it running
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QUOTE(GalaxiasWilliam @ Feb 14 2017, 06:24 PM)
Dude seriously, wtf? TS already has the car. Stop telling him la wrong car to buy, buy what car, etc etc. Nasi sudah menjadi bubur, So stop asking for fried rice.
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He doesn't need to go get tangled so deep in debt , working 3 4 jobs just for a car. If it runs let it be
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Nope , nothing , it's not worth to spend anything more other than what is needed to keep it running
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Exactly, hence "restoration". Engine swap is just an upgrade, a 27 year old stock engine still runs fine, but I have to start planning ahead and get the prices as well as info right to prevent some last min CamPro swap (now THAT would suck). That's why I started this thread!
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He doesn't need to go get tangled so deep in debt , working 3 4 jobs just for a car. If it runs let it be
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1, I'm not in debt. 2, it's my gaji after paying my bills. 3, I only have one job. 4, yes my car runs, but it can run better and more efficient.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Feb 14 2017, 06:19 PM)
2Jz including everything will cost you abt rm20k into a Beemer

Beemer esp E46 is a good car to transplant a highspeed engine cause its  heavy car & the weight distribution is really gooding but bewarn the ECU & wiring could be a big issues if the mech is not a specialist on this kind of transplant.
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i saw some of the forumer have the specialist contact which already done alot of beemer engine transplant to 1jz / 2jz ..
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 09:38 PM)
Exactly, hence "restoration". Engine swap is just an upgrade, a 27 year old stock engine still runs fine, but I have to start planning ahead and get the prices as well as info right to prevent some last min CamPro swap (now THAT would suck). That's why I started this thread!
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That's because I'm dropping money for a new mazda 6 This year , this wira has been here since 1997 , it's not second hand
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This is a social forum dude. You came here looking for answers, there will be constructive ones and there will be those that has only their own point of thinking. Why u let it get to u.

As for the engine, Mun Lee is damn hack expensive. B6 for rm4k... It's a very old engine. If you really want to do this, really gotta do research and run halfcut shops every weekend.. Doing it via mudah is not that wise.

Try to find the BPT engine. Or any newer engine than the B6. Rationale is that ur installation and maintenance costs are the same no matter what engine u put in plus minus... so y waste that money on an older engine that will be hard to find parts. From what i know B8 onw r still easier to find now.

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QUOTE(GeNez @ Feb 15 2017, 07:59 AM)
This is a social forum dude. You came here looking for answers, there will be constructive ones and there will be those that has only their own point of thinking. Why u let it get to u.

As for the engine, Mun Lee is damn hack expensive. B6 for rm4k... It's a very old engine. If you really want to do this, really gotta do research and run halfcut shops every weekend.. Doing it via mudah is not that wise.

Try to find the BPT engine. Or any newer engine than the B6. Rationale is that ur installation and maintenance costs are the same no matter what engine u put in plus minus... so y waste that money on an older engine that will be hard to find parts. From what i know B8 onw r still easier to find now.

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Actually I'm not even 100% sure, are Mazda engines even worth swapping? I've never heard anyone puroposely going for a Mazda engine for swapping, it's always the common ones like Toyota Honda or BMW. Those are totally out of my budget.
What about Mitsubishi or older Nissan engines? Would they be cheaper? Not going for 4b11T kinda range that one sure enough to by my car 3 times
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currenty restoring this.
bought it at RM9.3k with 4g63t inside.


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QUOTE(zahidee @ Feb 15 2017, 09:18 AM)
currenty restoring this.
bought it at RM9.3k with 4g63t inside.
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Damn the engine bay looks nice, the engine came with the car at 9.3k?
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 15 2017, 09:09 AM)
Actually I'm not even 100% sure, are Mazda engines even worth swapping? I've never heard anyone puroposely going for a Mazda engine for swapping, it's always the common ones like Toyota Honda or BMW. Those are totally out of my budget.
What about Mitsubishi or older Nissan engines? Would they be cheaper? Not going for 4b11T kinda range that one sure enough to by my car 3 times
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its very simple why ppl swap in engines into beemers, mercs and some toyotas....
1)direct/easy swap ready mounts
2)and the original engines are either pathetic OR difficult/exp to jaga
3)its been done and proven
4)space/practicality

What about Mitsubishi or older Nissan engines?
before you think about this... think practicality.... do you know how much it costs to make custom mounts assuming off the shelf items are not available? (which is why i have been harping about this to you all this while)
and to answer you about the costs of the engine itself...
-4g93t gen1 (gsr) <5k or so, much more if you can even find a good cond truely low milage unit
-4g93t gen2 (gsr) <stupidly these are 7k and up (usually much more)
-4g63t gen1 (gsr) (evo 3 and older) some ppl wana swap em, so u can get them for 5k, demands for the entire engines not that kuat since cannot legally shove into those protons... (also less ppl modifying such old engines)
-4g63t gen2 (gsr) (evo 4 and newer) evo 4 about 6k and up, evo 5 close to 10k, evo 7 and you are looking at 12-15k
-4b11T < dont bother, assuming your car cost 4k, its more than 3x... probably closer to 5x
approximate figs from what i have seen, does include some extra bits you can sell off
*gen 1 and 2 refers to the older and newer ones where the timing belts are terbalik.... gen 2 are commonly referred to as engine terbalik here (gen 2 fits later protons, blm, satria neo, gen2, persona etc while gen 1 fits the older bunch, wira, satria, perdana, putra)

also remember u should replace wear and tear bits before plonking it in, custom mounts costs workmanship which is going to be somewhat mahal especially if its something uncommon... (some things have to be tried and tested before getting it right). add it all in and it will easily cost you 2-3x the cost of just plonking in a simple p&p swap. How much power are you looking to push anyway? if its not alot, dont even bother with these difficult swaps. Only reason you should even consider running off the p&p path is if you are looking for lots of power, cannot afford to maintain your old engine or just want one for the sake of it (if its the 3rd, prepare butloads of cash)

*also very very sure an evo engine will tear your chassis up, that chassis wasn't really built to have that kind of power, an evo 1's torque alone bent my friend's saga back in the day... just took it 1 year (then again back then he ran solid mounts, might have been a factor)

older nissan engines, personally would not recommend, the parts are more expensive (not that you cannot maintain them, there are specialists here, but more exp than the equivalent mitsu)

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Damn the engine bay looks nice, the engine came with the car at 9.3k?
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fyi, actually prices for those cars are abit nuts depending on how much mods have gone into them and their conditions... u can sometimes find them for those figures BUT that you should understand is, its a very old engine that has usually been put through its paces by their owners. not sure if you realize but there are many evo/6a12tt perdanas, gsr protons obtainable for under 10k if you know where to look. With the economy as it is now, tts a buyers market now and most are owners who wana 'lepas tangan' after playing with them. (unfortunately also means usually there's quite abit of wear and tear)

ehh not to ruffle anyone's feathers ya zahidee!! icon_rolleyes.gif
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9.3k obviously not very cheap.just done replacing all belts and few gaskets/seals.damage 1k.sunroof leaks rm1.6k(new sunroof installed).

Coming next:
paint job will be close to rm3k.
undercarriage parts-lower arm,upper arm,bushings etc2 1k++.
interior seats/aircond vents etc2 RM2k++
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9.3k obviously not very cheap.just done replacing all belts and few gaskets/seals.damage 1k.sunroof leaks rm1.6k(new sunroof installed).

Coming next:
paint job will be close to rm3k.
undercarriage parts-lower arm,upper arm,bushings etc2 1k++.
interior seats/aircond vents etc2 RM2k++
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dedication! ac vents all the fin pecah ahh? far as this goes, if each fin is intact, you can make a makeshift actuator. problem would be getting it out (middle one ok, side ones are a b*tch), most older mitsubishi's have a screw BEHIND bangwall.gif. mine i spent 6 hours dropping in a makeshift actuator from the front cause i refused to pull the dash to access them.
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 15 2017, 10:20 AM)
its very simple why ppl swap in engines into beemers, mercs and some toyotas....
1)direct/easy swap ready mounts
2)and the original engines are either pathetic OR difficult/exp to jaga
3)its been done and proven
4)space/practicality

What about Mitsubishi or older Nissan engines?
before you think about this... think practicality.... do you know how much it costs to make custom mounts assuming off the shelf items are not available? (which is why i have been harping about this to you all this while)
and to answer you about the costs of the engine itself...
-4g93t gen1 (gsr) <5k or so, much more if you can even find a good cond truely low milage unit
-4g93t gen2 (gsr) <stupidly these are 7k and up (usually much more)
-4g63t gen1 (gsr) (evo 3 and older) some ppl wana swap em, so u can get them for 5k, demands for the entire engines not that kuat since cannot legally shove into those protons... (also less ppl modifying such old engines)
-4g63t gen2 (gsr) (evo 4 and newer) evo 4 about 6k and up, evo 5 close to 10k, evo 7 and you are looking at 12-15k
-4b11T  < dont bother, assuming your car cost 4k, its more than 3x... probably closer to 5x
approximate figs from what i have seen, does include some extra bits you can sell off
*gen 1 and 2 refers to the older and newer ones where the timing belts are terbalik.... gen 2 are commonly referred to as engine terbalik here (gen 2 fits later protons, blm, satria neo, gen2, persona etc while gen 1 fits the older bunch, wira, satria, perdana, putra)

also remember u should replace wear and tear bits before plonking it in, custom mounts costs workmanship which is going to be somewhat mahal especially if its something uncommon... (some things have to be tried and tested before getting it right). add it all in and it will easily cost you 2-3x the cost of just plonking in a simple p&p swap. How much power are you looking to push anyway? if its not alot, dont even bother with these difficult swaps. Only reason you should even consider running off the p&p path is if you are looking for lots of power, cannot afford to maintain your old engine or just want one for the sake of it (if its the 3rd, prepare butloads of cash)

*also very very sure an evo engine will tear your chassis up, that chassis wasn't really built to have that kind of power, an evo 1's torque alone bent my friend's saga back in the day... just took it 1 year (then again back then he ran solid mounts, might have been a factor)

older nissan engines, personally would not recommend, the parts are more expensive (not that you cannot maintain them, there are specialists here, but more exp than the equivalent mitsu)

fyi, actually prices for those cars are abit nuts depending on how much mods have gone into them and their conditions... u can sometimes find them for those figures BUT that you should understand is, its a very old engine that has usually been put through its paces by their owners. not sure if you realize but there are many evo/6a12tt perdanas, gsr protons obtainable for under 10k if you know where to look. With the economy as it is now, tts a buyers market now and most are owners who wana 'lepas tangan' after playing with them. (unfortunately also means usually there's quite abit of wear and tear)

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QUOTE(digilife @ Feb 15 2017, 01:18 PM)
Great insight

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If I wanna transplant a engine into my 1997 Wira carb engine chasis, which engine should I go for ?

I still want to maintain the Manual Tranny.
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If I wanna transplant a engine into my 1997 Wira carb engine chasis, which engine should I go for ?

I still want to maintain the Manual Tranny.
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 15 2017, 01:23 PM)
eh jangan...  sad.gif leave stock je... put the money into the beemer.... wira use to go market....
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Thanks for the advice

-----Off Topic-----

What you suggest for thr beemer ?

1) M54B25

2) 1Jz

3) 2Jz

Pls take into consideration the maintenance cost & ease of parts availability as the main points......... cause in the end if I were to sell off this project , my investment could have no value to the buyer too if he is not so hardcore as we do
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QUOTE(digilife @ Feb 15 2017, 01:51 PM)
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Thanks for the advice

-----Off Topic-----

What you suggest for thr beemer ?

1) M54B25

2) 1Jz

3) 2Jz

Pls take into consideration the maintenance cost & ease of parts availability as the main points......... cause in the end if I were to sell off this project , my investment could have no value to the buyer too if he is not so hardcore as we do
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haha im sure u dah buat your homework kan....
If u have much $$$ to spend and want buttload of powah 2jz for sure..
Want a fairly easy to jaga powerful engine 1jz (not gona even try tell you its cheap cause the bits inside can cost alot but compared to beemer bits? cheaper)
Want to keep things german then the m54... (this thing is also beastly but roadtax!!!! and after a while.... you will have to come to terms that its easier to squeeze powah from an fi engine)
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lsm1991, you are like the sifu here already might as well ask you.

The 1.8 B8 turbo was recommended by another friend of mine, thing is after searching online I found out that it's for 4WD. Is it possible for a 4WD engine to work with a n FF? I'm thinking of looking for a nice half cut with everything inside, at least the gearbox/clutch pad/radiator/wiring all is compatible.
Haven't went hunting for it yet, probably won't until year end (another big bonus coming in)
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 15 2017, 06:36 PM)
lsm1991, you are like the sifu here already might as well ask you.

The 1.8 B8 turbo was recommended by another friend of mine, thing is after searching online I found out that it's for 4WD. Is it possible for a 4WD engine to work with a n FF? I'm thinking of looking for a nice half cut with everything inside, at least the gearbox/clutch pad/radiator/wiring all is compatible.
Haven't went hunting for it yet, probably won't until year end (another big bonus coming in)
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As far as fitting a 4wd gearbox into a 2wd car, not an issue, i mean look at those evo converted protons, its just a matter of fabricating a blanking plate.

before committing to the project (from the looks of it, pretty sure u are already decided) make sure the B8 would mount up properly and legally and how much work is needed.
This is certainly not an impossible project, there are 323's in malaysia with the conversion, i am just not sure what kind of effort has to be put into building one of if one needs to grease any hands doing so. If you can find other owners who have done this, that would be the absolute best. Its these guys who have converted these cars who would know best.

*edit... looked at some stuff and actually, it looks very straight forward. car was readily available with a bp (basically b8) so the bpt should just bolt in. (really not difficult if yours is already running the 1.8 bp)

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 16 2017, 10:57 AM)
As far as fitting a 4wd gearbox into a 2wd car, not an issue, i mean look at those evo converted protons, its just a matter of fabricating a blanking plate.

before committing to the project (from the looks of it, pretty sure u are already decided) make sure the B8 would mount up properly and legally and how much work is needed.
This is certainly not an impossible project, there are 323's in malaysia with the conversion, i am just not sure what kind of effort has to be put into building one of if one needs to grease any hands doing so. If you can find other owners who have done this, that would be the absolute best. Its these guys who have converted these cars who would know best.

*edit... looked at some stuff and actually, it looks very straight forward. car was readily available with a bp (basically b8) so the bpt should just bolt in. (really not difficult if yours is already running the 1.8 bp)
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Mine's 1.6, but I suppose should be the same...
hmm I guess I got my answer. A B8 Turbo is definitely the most rational choice.

Thanks everyone! 😄
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Mine's 1.6, but I suppose should be the same...
hmm I guess I got my answer. A B8 Turbo is definitely the most rational choice.

Thanks everyone! 😄
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The most direct swap for this would be the 1.6 B6 engine from the Mazda Familia or Mazda Lantis. This would be followed up with the more rare 1.8 BP engine from the same family of cars. The KF-ZE is a silky smooth engine but proving harder to get but this are an amazing set of engines for the mazda of the generation.

Dont need to fall into a worry on what forummers says. contrary to believe, its actually relatively cheap to maintain an astina. Engine parts are easily available. you may often only face issues sorting out the exterior parts like body panels or the rubber trims

If you really have the budget you can look into the B8T or BPT engines thou this are quite pricey and extremely hard to get since there is so much demand for this engine from the east cost owners.

Do look up the Lantis Club Malaysia group on FB or NFR Garage. This are the most popular hang out spot for most Mazda owners other than the Killerbees group.

Proud ex owner of a BG Familia , and Astina as well and a happy current owner of TX3 and 2.0 Lantis V6

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QUOTE(shalzkasbsp @ Feb 22 2017, 10:52 AM)
The most direct swap for this would be the 1.6 B6 engine from the Mazda Familia or Mazda Lantis. This would be followed up with the more rare 1.8 BP engine from the same family of cars. The KF-ZE is a silky smooth engine but proving harder to get but this are an amazing set of engines for the mazda of the generation.

Dont need to fall into a worry on what forummers says. contrary to believe, its actually relatively cheap to maintain an astina. Engine parts are easily available. you may often only face issues sorting out the exterior parts like body panels or the rubber trims

If you really have the budget you can look into the B8T or BPT engines thou this are quite pricey and extremely hard to get since there is so much demand for this engine from the east cost owners.

Do look up the Lantis Club Malaysia group on FB or NFR Garage. This are the most popular hang out spot for most Mazda owners other than the Killerbees group.

Proud ex owner of a BG Familia , and Astina as well and a happy current owner of  TX3 and 2.0 Lantis V6
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 15 2017, 09:09 AM)
Actually I'm not even 100% sure, are Mazda engines even worth swapping? I've never heard anyone puroposely going for a Mazda engine for swapping, it's always the common ones like Toyota Honda or BMW. Those are totally out of my budget.
What about Mitsubishi or older Nissan engines? Would they be cheaper? Not going for 4b11T kinda range that one sure enough to by my car 3 times
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Err... ok.. But u bought a mazda right? Like some of the forumers suggest, try to use same manufacturer engine is better.
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 16 2017, 10:57 AM)
As far as fitting a 4wd gearbox into a 2wd car, not an issue, i mean look at those evo converted protons, its just a matter of fabricating a blanking plate.

before committing to the project (from the looks of it, pretty sure u are already decided) make sure the B8 would mount up properly and legally and how much work is needed.
This is certainly not an impossible project, there are 323's in malaysia with the conversion, i am just not sure what kind of effort has to be put into building one of if one needs to grease any hands doing so. If you can find other owners who have done this, that would be the absolute best. Its these guys who have converted these cars who would know best.

*edit... looked at some stuff and actually, it looks very straight forward. car was readily available with a bp (basically b8) so the bpt should just bolt in. (really not difficult if yours is already running the 1.8 bp)
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There used to be Familia 323 sedans running 4wd. I wanted to buy one in 1998.
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QUOTE(shalzkasbsp @ Feb 22 2017, 10:52 AM)
The most direct swap for this would be the 1.6 B6 engine from the Mazda Familia or Mazda Lantis. This would be followed up with the more rare 1.8 BP engine from the same family of cars. The KF-ZE is a silky smooth engine but proving harder to get but this are an amazing set of engines for the mazda of the generation.

Dont need to fall into a worry on what forummers says. contrary to believe, its actually relatively cheap to maintain an astina. Engine parts are easily available. you may often only face issues sorting out the exterior parts like body panels or the rubber trims

If you really have the budget you can look into the B8T or BPT engines thou this are quite pricey and extremely hard to get since there is so much demand for this engine from the east cost owners.

Do look up the Lantis Club Malaysia group on FB or NFR Garage. This are the most popular hang out spot for most Mazda owners other than the Killerbees group.

Proud ex owner of a BG Familia , and Astina as well and a happy current owner of  TX3 and 2.0 Lantis V6
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lantis v6... nais... have never actually seen one of these myself, tend to be hidden away enjoyed by their owners biggrin.gif... have i think maybe 2 on mudah over the years, not many of them around as far as i know.
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 09:54 AM)
So I bought a 1991 1.6 Mazda Astina 323F (the one with pop-up headlights) and I'm thinking of doing a swap maybe one year down the road after getting all the vital stuff sorted out.

I'm looking at the B6T, but I have a few concerns.

1. Would it fit?
2. Is it carbureted? If not, will the wiring for injection cost a bomb?
3. Will JPJ decline the endorsement because of a stock turbo charged engine?
4. Is it even worth it?

Also, open topic for the Astina in general. Love the look and overall design of the car!
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this seems to be latest Mazda Astina thread, want to ask how's the car looking now ?
Astina owner here.
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QUOTE(shalzkasbsp @ Feb 22 2017, 10:52 AM)
The most direct swap for this would be the 1.6 B6 engine from the Mazda Familia or Mazda Lantis. This would be followed up with the more rare 1.8 BP engine from the same family of cars. The KF-ZE is a silky smooth engine but proving harder to get but this are an amazing set of engines for the mazda of the generation.

Dont need to fall into a worry on what forummers says. contrary to believe, its actually relatively cheap to maintain an astina. Engine parts are easily available. you may often only face issues sorting out the exterior parts like body panels or the rubber trims

If you really have the budget you can look into the B8T or BPT engines thou this are quite pricey and extremely hard to get since there is so much demand for this engine from the east cost owners.

Do look up the Lantis Club Malaysia group on FB or NFR Garage. This are the most popular hang out spot for most Mazda owners other than the Killerbees group.

Proud ex owner of a BG Familia , and Astina as well and a happy current owner of  TX3 and 2.0 Lantis V6
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I own a 1991 mazda astina. Plz recommend your mechanic. Mine keeps asking me to junk or sell it. Thanks!

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I own a 1991 mazda astina. Plz recommend your mechanic. Mine keeps asking me to junk or sell it. Thanks!
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on Waze type " Joseph Lantis" ( Jalan TS6/2, Taman Perindustrian Subang, USJ1

https://www.facebook.com/jzaniaauto/
https://www.facebook.com/NFRAutoGarage/

both of this are in the same shop.. 1 brings in the parts from Japan and the other one is the mechanic
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QUOTE(shalzkasbsp @ Jan 25 2018, 09:53 AM)
on Waze type " Joseph Lantis" ( Jalan TS6/2, Taman Perindustrian Subang, USJ1

https://www.facebook.com/jzaniaauto/
https://www.facebook.com/NFRAutoGarage/

both of this are in the same shop.. 1 brings in the parts from Japan and the other one is the mechanic
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Wow! You're a life (car?) saver! 😃 do they do any restoration work too? The interior needs mucho work but we do not want to spend mucho dinero unless they're good..


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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 16 2017, 03:25 PM)
Mine's 1.6, but I suppose should be the same...
hmm I guess I got my answer. A B8 Turbo is definitely the most rational choice.

Thanks everyone! 😄
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ex-ownership of Astina here laugh.gif tongue.gif

( 6years of ownership )

hi bro, salam.

have you join killerbees forum for Mazda/Ford owner ? tongue.gif

you might get more info there for Astina.

hope this info helps.
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 09:54 AM)
So I bought a 1991 1.6 Mazda Astina 323F (the one with pop-up headlights) and I'm thinking of doing a swap maybe one year down the road after getting all the vital stuff sorted out.

I'm looking at the B6T, but I have a few concerns.

1. Would it fit?
2. Is it carbureted? If not, will the wiring for injection cost a bomb?
3. Will JPJ decline the endorsement because of a stock turbo charged engine?
4. Is it even worth it?

Also, open topic for the Astina in general. Love the look and overall design of the car!
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TS still modding? I brought one too with fuel injection turbo ready. Mod a lot of things. Customize absorbers and safety bar.
Mod engine ecu
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QUOTE(The_Rock @ Nov 14 2022, 05:42 PM)
TS still modding? I brought one too with fuel injection turbo ready. Mod a lot of things. Customize absorbers and safety bar.
Mod engine ecu
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u bought b8 turbo?
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QUOTE(Politricks @ Feb 14 2017, 10:21 AM)
Cheated as in buying secondhand car and tuning/modding/restoring?
Maybe just personal perspective but here is my very very rough plan:
Car (4k) + Important repairs (8k) + Aesthetics (in and outside, around 3-4k) [also sponsored by lou dao]

As opposed to the Preve I wanted, the moment I buy the car, 10k off market value.

Long run... If can take care I believe secondhand car much more eco, value already kosong  biggrin.gif
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Some people have nothing much better to contribute and they drive you into thinking how wrong your decision was. You should follow their “better” decision. I term these people as c*nts. You do you. More extreme people would’ve bought an Astina just for the pop up headlights alone.

I’d go for b8t straight. More common engine for transplant. But it has been too long since I last did this. It definitely goes into an Astina as I’ve (not personally but the same group of friends when I was younger) fitted it into Ford Lynx and Familia. Both are, by and large, the same platform.
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I find Proton more reliable than Mazda, imho.
The only cars I have ever driven that broke down are Mazda and Peugeot.
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QUOTE(babisotong @ Nov 15 2022, 10:18 AM)
u bought b8 turbo?
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Yes. Ex owner ald mod to B8
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Yes. Ex owner ald mod to B8
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Noicee, how's the car? how's the engine? smooth? how much did you buy it?

i really like mazda lantis 323f, just really really afraid of spare parts availability.
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QUOTE(babisotong @ Nov 16 2022, 01:39 PM)
Noicee, how's the car? how's the engine? smooth? how much did you buy it?

i really like mazda lantis 323f, just really really afraid of spare parts availability.
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Spare part online can buy. Some car can use back to this car. Just need to find right foreman to mod. I managed to find 3 foreman to fix and mod my car parts. So different foreman do different things
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QUOTE(The_Rock @ Dec 19 2022, 08:20 PM)
Spare part online can buy. Some car can use back to this car. Just need to find right foreman to mod. I managed to find 3 foreman to fix and mod my car parts. So different foreman do different things
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yoo bro, still got the car?
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QUOTE(babisotong @ Mar 15 2024, 12:32 PM)
yoo bro, still got the car?
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QUOTE(babisotong @ Mar 15 2024, 12:32 PM)
yoo bro, still got the car?
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Yes. Still modding it. Took time slowly mod it. Recently modified bar to hold body.
Now modding it to RX7 FC Savanna lookalike. Not sure successful or not.

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Yes. Still modding it. Took time slowly mod it. Recently modified bar to hold body.
Now modding it to RX7 FC Savanna lookalike. Not sure successful or not.
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if i got extra bucks, will convert it to Mitsubishi Eclipse look alike since the rear/body shape is not that far off.
how is the car holding up? is ur version interior got cup/bottle holder?
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QUOTE(babisotong @ Mar 18 2024, 07:59 AM)
if i got extra bucks, will convert it to Mitsubishi Eclipse look alike since the rear/body shape is not that far off.
how is the car holding up? is ur version interior got cup/bottle holder?
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Nope. Now only completed the handling of the car. Add on custom metal bar. Left tuning ECU only. Exterior already completed. But now top speed 205 kmph. Still consider good
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QUOTE(The_Rock @ Mar 18 2024, 09:39 AM)
Nope. Now only completed the handling of the car. Add on custom metal bar. Left tuning ECU only. Exterior already completed. But now top speed 205 kmph. Still consider good
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yours is Astina/323f BG kan? bro where you located at, i cant wait to get my car.
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QUOTE(babisotong @ Mar 18 2024, 11:40 AM)
yours is Astina/323f BG kan? bro where you located at, i cant wait to get my car.
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Island. Near the hillside. Get B8 engine. Don’t get SOHC 1.6 engine
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Island. Near the hillside. Get B8 engine. Don’t get SOHC 1.6 engine
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yap, bpt.. 1.8 turbo
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QUOTE(The_Rock @ Mar 18 2024, 01:19 PM)
Island. Near the hillside. Get B8 engine. Don’t get SOHC 1.6 engine
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Island? U penang? Wanna meet up?
I love lantis and almost got it last time, but finally settle for civic es.
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QUOTE(Balanced @ Mar 19 2024, 12:48 AM)
Island? U penang? Wanna meet up?
I love lantis and almost got it last time, but finally settle for civic es.
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Can also. You last time got go into NCC Batu Kawan?
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QUOTE(babisotong @ Mar 18 2024, 02:11 PM)
yap, bpt.. 1.8 turbo
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Nice. What color?
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post Mar 19 2024, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(The_Rock @ Mar 19 2024, 09:58 AM)
Nice. What color?
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crv blue or something2, i think

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QUOTE(Balanced @ Mar 19 2024, 12:48 AM)
Island? U penang? Wanna meet up?
I love lantis and almost got it last time, but finally settle for civic es.
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haiya , you guys soo far away
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QUOTE(The_Rock @ Mar 19 2024, 09:57 AM)
Can also. You last time got go into NCC Batu Kawan?
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Where u wan meetup? I go to u haha.
I didnt join ncc event. My car exterior no good haha.
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QUOTE(babisotong @ Mar 19 2024, 12:46 PM)
haiya , you guys soo far away
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Its 'just' 4 hours drive away tongue.gif
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post Mar 20 2024, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(babisotong @ Mar 19 2024, 12:45 PM)
crv blue or something2, i think
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Must be buy from the legend lantis owner
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post Mar 20 2024, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(Balanced @ Mar 19 2024, 01:12 PM)
Where u wan meetup? I go to u haha.
I didnt join ncc event. My car exterior no good haha.
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Can. Maybe next month. This month I outstation
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QUOTE(babisotong @ Mar 19 2024, 12:46 PM)
haiya , you guys soo far away
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With Lantis can cut short 2 hours 😂
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QUOTE(The_Rock @ Mar 20 2024, 09:25 AM)
Can. Maybe next month. This month I outstation
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Okie! Hopefully dont poison me too much haha.
Modded a lot? Im surprised u found 3 workshops able to do lantis in penang! Previously i couldnt find any, another factor i forgo buying the car
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yayay, it's under my name now, it drives really good, need to make the adjustable a bit higher/tad a bit softer.

the boost, omg, loving it.

go for bpt/bpd guys.. seriously worth your bucks.. if car body/chassis rip, go transplant it to another car

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QUOTE(Balanced @ Mar 20 2024, 10:58 AM)
Okie! Hopefully dont poison me too much haha.
Modded a lot? Im surprised u found 3 workshops able to do lantis in penang! Previously i couldnt find any, another factor i forgo buying the car
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Can do. See how close connections with the owner. And what you willing to pay. Kiong Lee Bukit Jambul he can mod a lot.
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QUOTE(The_Rock @ Mar 20 2024, 01:54 PM)
Can do. See how close connections with the owner. And what you willing to pay. Kiong Lee Bukit Jambul he can mod a lot.
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Kiong lee only mod suspension and exhaust system right? I only go to him for these.
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QUOTE(Balanced @ Mar 20 2024, 02:13 PM)
Kiong lee only mod suspension and exhaust system right? I only go to him for these.
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Not only that. Performance part also have. Depends on the owner wants to mod or not.
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QUOTE(The_Rock @ Mar 21 2024, 09:35 AM)
Not only that. Performance part also have. Depends on the owner wants to mod or not.
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What kind of mods can he do?
Can you share with me any reliable mechanic?

My wiring guy is at s behind ptptn bayan baru branch. His shop has no signbaord, but u will see some cars wrapped in plastic parked outside his shop. He is wiring expert and can service alternators too.

My general mechanic is amw workshop.

My suspension related mechanic is at penang service absorber and adjustable in front bayan baru fire station.

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QUOTE(Balanced @ Mar 21 2024, 10:22 AM)
What kind of mods can he do?
Can you share with me any reliable mechanic?

My wiring guy is at s behind ptptn bayan baru branch. His shop has no signbaord, but u will see some cars wrapped in plastic parked outside his shop. He is wiring expert and can service alternators too.

My general mechanic is amw workshop.

My suspension related mechanic is at penang service absorber and adjustable in front bayan baru fire station.
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Normally only go these 2 shop. One is my mechanic in Prai area and another one is Kiong Lee Bukit Jambul.

Mechanic if you in Bayan Lepas you can look for the shop beside Kiong Lee Sg Ara branch. Beside Tupperware shop. Got big Motul sign. He can do wiring and service and repair.

Suspension / performance/ exhaust better go Kiong Lee Bukit Jambul. Can use my car as reference

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