https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5-5600-xt-56...-under-200-usd/

Seems there's a new last cpu upgrade for am4 which i didn't noticed earlier.

I had just got a 5700x3d to replace a 5600x for am4. X570
I'm using a rx 7800xt nitro + graphics card

If I was willing to spend more on motherboard and dd5 ram, I would have gone for am5 instead.

If ur going for a new build go am5. If u r on am4 and you only want to upgrade cpu only and the perf is sufficient, maybe 5700x3d is OK.

Only going for major upgrade in next 5 - 10 years but only if I plan to upgrade graphics card as well. Rx 7800xt should last a while for 1440p gaming

Bought and installed a 5700X3d

just wanted to share my review on it. would be useful for newbies like myself.




say you setup a brand new pc and use default settings. say your cpu is amd 5700x3d (am4 platform), with RX 7800 XT graphics to pair with it.

when installing your spanky new cpu, and you added the thermal paste etc, then boot up. try run hwinfo and look at temps (make sure you have graphics card drivers installed and configured. and windows updated to latest).

then run cpu intensive stuff like gaming and video playback, then observe your cpu temps using hwinfo.

My own findings was temps at times going 70-83c on load. which is not good.

Solution?

1. go bios set fans. I set mine to 70% @ up to 45c, 80% @ 50 , 100% @ 55c. You can adjust it yourself, but this worked for me.

2. undervolt. For the 5700X3D, undervolting by -30 or -40 (max -50. fall back to -40 or -30 if you crash/unstable)


Undervolting as mentioned in the youtube you can get quite a few benefits

- less power consumption
- less heat (the difference for me was 20c less temps. Very worth it)


after doing this my temps

42.1c min, 66.5c max, avg 52.8c


But basically i managed to avoid temps of 70-80c + under loads. mission accomplished.



For the 7000 series e.g. 7800X3D they have further requirements to get X3D to work (i don't think 5000 series has to do this, so don't worry)



but basically if you have a 7800X3D and you don't do the settings like youtuber suggested, then your big X3d cache will not be working and you will be missing out on fps gains for gaming.



hope this helped

senseis, i saw on gamers nexus they said for 9800x3d, the rate of failure for the cpu was rather high for asrock mobos, next was asus.

gigabyte was fewest cases of this..

also they said the x570 mobos were the most affected



also gigabyte x570 gaming x wifi got the memory stability pass for the ddr5

is this the model to get? or skip altogether?







also in other news, asus had vulnerability issues (notably their crappy armory crate which YOU SHOULD DISABLE in bios and uninstall from pc). gigabyte also got reported having some vulnerabilities for motherboard as well.





another reason to boycott asus. they gave consumers the middle finger, we send one right back in numbers





gigabyte issue was for intel old models. newer mobos not affected.


so is this model good or recommend something else?

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 17 2025, 07:39 AM

i narrowed it down to these 2 models

https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/comments/1...ahawk_wifi_and/


tomahawk and the aorus elite.

but the tomahawk is the most nice one on everything except the audio

the audio thing i saw in a different reddit post, actually it was fine. not sure about their networking drives


the best thing about the msi is how they manage the pcie lanes which is far better than what the other brands did. also this board has ease of use for installers, like button to remove graphic card, or the m2 storage, the little things.


Anyway i changed my ram and reset windows 11. Now testing if will crash or not. if crash only then i will upgrade, if not i wont

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 18 2025, 02:38 PM

My mistake. Is typo. But that is beside the point I was making.

I was meaning the x870 mobos with the 9800x3d u can Google there are news stories about this right now. Both Mobo and AMD pointing finger at each other.😅

Didn't hear much issue for 7800x3d so went with that since it cost less and paired better for graphic card without overspend. Minus the recent news dilemma, Donno know what's going on there 😬


Jus an update on crappy MSI x870 tomahawk wifi audio. For myself I'm using an edifier qr65 speaker. When I plug it on using isb, it uses it's own dac internally in the speaker. So should avoid whatever potential issue in regards to crappy MSI audio realtek chip dac included.

After I watch hardware unboxed, he explains what is different between the chipsets. Based on price n features I think I r right. But bit late. Anyway it was in my budget so no problem. But like I said for my system spec maybe the b650 would have been the more value buy

*Update

B650 no pcie5.0? So I guess unless I need that b650 is fine 😅

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 22 2025, 07:12 PM

It doesn't? Then like that no point then. If later need pcie5 , that time will can buy mobo. If buy b650 now can go cheap.

Not sure about USBs but I sus it's still on the slower side for b650? But for the x870 tomahawk I got it has some fast usb4. Where another Mobo the x870 carbon, it added everything usb4 as if ur mouse and keyboard need that...

Waste of money 😅

I think they said the newer and platform is 2038? Something about more coees and threads. My question is, how much? And how much power will it use 😬

For my system right now,.just upgrading graphics card will boost fps. But right I'm pretty ok with my gaming so I don't feel like upgrading just yet.

A 5070ti coat rm 3.5 to 4k 😬

Don't even bother 5900 those go for 11-12k 🤢

I like many others went with a Radeon graphics card cauz is cheaper. I don't care for ray tracing. I do miss the dlss though since it's better than fsr. That said I can do apex legend at high fps 240 without fsr for rx7800xt

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 23 2025, 06:18 AM

finished upgrading to new am5. works very good, no regret.

to go 4k resolution gaming cost too much. new graphic card required (roughly about 3.5k to 4k for a 5070ti), and maybe a 9800x3d for the extra performance to match the graphic card for 4k (this is 1k extra vs the 7800x3d). And the existing psu need to change as well to match the new graphic card, so that would be about 500-700 or something.

Anyway happy with my upgrade, will test later for apex legends. but general surfing so smooth

i did the pbu tuning by negative -15, seems stable.

so for a 5070ti a 7800x3d would be good enough is it?




i was testing youtube streaming + gaming using the new upgrade.

got 1440p ultra settings for apex legends, got obs, got the vtuber app running, got obsbot for video cam and music.

Also i forgot, but i was downloading diablo 4 on battlenet so that was saturating my limited internet speed 100 mbps

it still streamed ok.. haha. if u watch the ingame performance thing to the right, the fps is almost 240 fps most of the time. i'll install msi monitor later when free



oo plz like and subscribe, ty

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 25 2025, 02:54 PM

doing more testing

messed up my setting so when streaming it was more like average 150 fps while streaming. Before i think it was not as accurate because i did not yet setup msi after burner. after i did, i notice some issues. Like the 7800X3D this one max out 100%

Graphic card was like 70-90%

still tweaking settings seeing what works. To be fair i was doing other stuff while gaming, so not the most ideal condition


after googling, found out the RX7800XT can't do HDR streaming (it lacks the encoder feature for that) thats one downside. when i first bought this graphic card, this wasnt a feature i was on the look out for since i didnt have a proper hdr monitor so i didn't care at the time.






at some points in the stream (few times), the screen froze, so i could do anything for a few seconds. So essentially i was a sitting duck in the game look at 4:00 to 4:05 u see it freezes

Notice how the graphic card and cpu utilization at or close to 100%


my obs output streaming settings are

audio - ffmpeg aac.

video encoder: amd hw av1

rate control: hqcbr

bitrate: 9000 kbs

keyframe interval 2s

preset quality

profile main

max b frames 2



ANy suggestions to improve? Mostly how to get the graphic card and cpu utilization to lower slightly? if it was stable at 90% it would be alright. But at 100% i get that weird frozen issue for few sec every now and then. I check obs and it claims no dropped frames. But when playing it's a problem



CPU and GPU, temps are fine.

For CPU i went to bios and did the pbo underclock. Mine is negative 20 which seems stable. When i tried 30 it was ok for a while but i experienced a crash later on in the day, this is why i set from 30 to 20, now seems stable. for those that don't already know, the reason why you do this is to lower the temps for your cpu, and also increase performance. there is nothing to lose to try doing this for amd. Only certain amd mobo chipsets has pbo however. Mines a X870 so it has it. So even when you are low balling for mobo chipset, make sure it at least has pbo feature

I also adjusted the cpu and casing fan speeds to be more aggresive on the temp curve.

Next, in the radeon graphics card tuning settings, i adjust the fan to kick in sooner and more aggresive on temp rise. Might be louder but i honestly dont notice the sound increase for it to be an issue.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 26 2025, 09:37 AM

undervolt? oo.. thx for the hint, thx

im transfering stuff so i didnt get a chance to run cinebench for 5 hours yet. so no.

my first crash was with pbu negative 30. it just crash after less than a day once. i just chalked that up to the undervolting for pbo, so i changed to 20. no crashes yet.

surprisingly even when doing the streaming + gaming + file transfer, where the gpu and cpu were maxing out, the only worse thing that happened was that occasional screen freeze for a few seconds. But no crash.

when i am not stressing the system like that, it just plays smooth no issue

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 26 2025, 11:45 AM

when i tried occt free it stop after 1 hour though. do i need to buy to make it run longer?

ill try these and report back results later ty

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 26 2025, 05:52 PM

i got old memtest86. this app any good for ddr5? or no point



*update

anyway after test, seems it can do gaming + youtube streaming + play music. It does almost max out graphic card and cpu though, but not to the point like before where it froze So yeah i think it's fine. average fps about 200. Keep in mind this is when streaming. So when not streaming, i will see 240 fps usually. But it's still quite good fps is still decently high even when streaming regardless. So yes for my new 1440p gaming streaming build, this works fine




one odd thing that happened was the obs preview froze. but when i check youtube it was not frozen. later on the preview worked again. donno why


So anyway if anyone want to make a similar build thats proven to work, this is my parts


AMD 7800X3D


MSI X870 Tomahawk Wifi motherboard (this motherboard the extra pcie is X4 and X1, so make sure this is a non issue before you get this motherboard. The usb dac people is not good, but since i use Edifier QR65 internal DAC in speaker via usb connection, it's a non issue for me. I didn't test if the mobo usb dac is good or not but some reddit posters said a bios or driver update fixed it)


AMD Radeon RX7800XT Sapphire Nitro+ (if you are a new buyer i don't particularly recommend this as there should better options in 2025 for the price. This is just simply what i have for a prior purchase. Didn't feel the need to upgrade my graphic card. It's more than sufficient for 1440p gaming. Refer to youtube stream for the fps while streaming and gaming). the Sapphire nitro+ had the best cooler for this model. Temp was never an issue for this graphic card.


Gigabyte MO27Q2 QD Oled semi glossy 27'' 1440p free sync monitor.



Kingston Fury Beast Black EXPO DDR5 CL30 6000M/T Kit of 2 sticks X 16gb (total 32gb). When buying ram make sure u get the correct part number. The one i got was the KF560C30BBEK2-32 which is in the motherboard QVL. I tested it, it's rock solid for this motherboard. Can do EXPO 6000M/T just fine.

Frzn A720 Cpu cooler
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...and-a620-review




Fractal Torrent pc Casing (few years ago it was crowned best air cooling case)


Seasonic 750watt Gold Focus+ FX psu (since i am using a RX7800XT, this wattage is more than enough. If you are planning for a 5070ti or something, then you need a 850watt psu or better. Also the newer psus have the new cabling the nvidia graphic card might need). Yes my psu is old but it works, so no reason to replace it. thats how rock solid the seasonic psus are.


edifier qr65



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 26 2025, 06:57 PM

no i kept pbo as negative 20 its fine. my initial was 30 which didn't work cause i had 1 crash. i donno if it was because of this or something else, but i changed it to 20 anyway just in case.

so far no crashes, so it's likely because of 30 setting.


i used a combination of a few sources to figure out how to set the pbo tunning



this one skip to the bios section, he covers pbo there



the 2nd video is useful since it uses the new msi bios UI, so i used that to find the settings i needed to change.

While i was at it, i also added a thermal limit of 85C. So no matter how crazy it wants to get, its capped at 85C max, after that it should behave itself. That said these are my hwinfo stats for cpu temps

min 51.5c
max 76.9c
avg 57.4c


This is considering i did the gaming + streaming + browser with dozens of windows open (tabs asleep), with cpu and graphics card utilization close to 100% So quite good since it didn't even breach 80c yet.


Will do the benchmarking u suggested soon.

done. no crash. cpu maxed 75.5c

ran occt for 4-5 hours back to back

no i kept pbo as negative 20 its fine. my initial was 30 which didn't work cause i had 1 crash. i donno if it was because of this or something else, but i changed it to 20 anyway just in case.




i was wondering why my cinebench score was lower than a 5800x. seems this might be why, though not sure.

I did enable this feature in bios, but google say its not worth enabling at least for the 7800x3d

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDHelp/comments/1...de_in_the_bios/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/comment...yzen_3d_vcache/


this X3D gaming setting in msi bios was only meant for the 9k series X3d cpus, not for the 7800x3d with a single ccd.

I didn't know. i simply saw it say X3d so i thought that should be enabled


for something like this in bios, MSI REALLY should give a note to warn users, ONLY for the 9000 series X3D cpu, not for the 5000 and 7000 series because that enable setting for X3D gaming worsens performance only for those other cpus.


*update

wow big difference



see the cpu utilization especially well i didnt have my tvuber app running but still. also we won the game after making that change haha


if colors r off its cause im playing in hdr so apex hdr is enabled. but in obs i have sdr encoding enabled since hdr encoding doesnt work since rx7800xt lacks the encoder for hdr apparently



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 27 2025, 09:38 AM

well thats what reddit said, not my quote

i thought the 9800x3d was a 2ccd though? was i mistaken?







They also changed the placement for the X3d cache thus improving the cooling for the chip because cpu cooler has better direct contact compared to before. Lessons learned from 7800X3D implementation then they changed things up for 9800X3 or so i read









https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...-9900x3d-review

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 27 2025, 10:45 AM

of course. when did i ever claim to blindly trust reddit? thats y i link source and let u judge for urself haha cauz even im not sure either hence i am also hinting at asking if this is true or not, maybe u didn't catch on to the implied question . im self taught. So i mostly learn by trying. Not simply do nothing then walk away.... thats not how u learn new things..... haha.. also pretty sure i'm not the only one who made the mistake seeing x3d gaming and enabling it cause they had a x3d cpu, it's an honest mistake

anyway just to recap, found the fix. disable that x3d gaming mode in msi bios. Not recommended for 7800x3d.



Anyway the point i was trying to make is, anyone curious about a am5 build like mine, especially when paired with an older part like a rx7800xt graphic card, can it do gaming+ streaming on obs ALSO with music and vtuber software? Yes. I got averages of more than 200 fps. And i saw the utilization was even under 70% for the cpu. the graphic card though was the bottleneck in the system, but for a game like apex legend it still got me to 200-240 fps at ultra settings (HOWEVER, effects was set to low. mostly for game play advantage)

In my old system using a 5800XD, gaming + streaming wasn't as smooth (it worked, just not as good), so i guess the cpu upgrade made some sort of difference




recommend this video. simple things boost ur gaming fps, like changing the power plan to ultimate. simple enough didnt follow everything but its good enuff for my current performance so far. not too sure about disabling certain windows services so i didn't.






This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 27 2025, 06:36 PM

7800x3d was roughly around RM1,599 (tray).

I am assuming 1999 is a tray version?

With that sort of price difference, i would have gone for the 9800x3d. Only reason i didn't because it was 2.4k+ last i checked (and that was for a tray which is the cheapest). maybe because now is around sales time, so got some good deals thx for sharing.

anyway the 7800x3d for me for 1440p gaming works for me, so not too fussed i missed out. just a shame though


Temperature wise for the 7800x3d after using for the past few month,

82.5c MAX ( when i stress test with OCCT and cinebench at most i saw it capped at 85c)

48.9c MIN

57.5c AVG


I use

- fractal torrent pc case default fans that came with case. did not add extras
- Frzn A720 cpu cooler (scored well in the cpu fan cooler round up for 2025)
- the thermal paste that came with the cpu cooler

I also set a thermal limit in bios to max out at 85c

also PBO under clock all cores to negative 20 (this is stable for me. But when i tested negative 30 will crash). Under clocking improves performance and lowers temps. So no reason not to do it.

I also adjusted the fans in bios, by adjusting the curves. At low temps, lower fan speed, at higher temps, crank up the fan rpm. I balance quiet and cooling. Takes a bit of tinkering to get the right balance. Results based on my stats seem satisfactory to me.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Oct 8 2025, 06:56 AM

mid 60s during cinebench stress test? thats impressive

but honestly if its under 85c during stress test, should be fine? It's only at above that and for prolong period would it be bad for cpu right? but still cooler temps always welcome

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Oct 7 2025, 07:56 AM