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post Sep 23 2019, 09:57 PM

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Actually every processor you use will show temperature fluctuations, don't bother with it.

That's how it works, and the spikes are short and non issue at all.

Stop spending your time on things that you need not worry about.

Having knowledge is good but without understanding then you worry about that piece of knowledge for nothing.
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post Sep 24 2019, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(lavenzo @ Sep 24 2019, 08:54 AM)
Hi I have a x570 aorus pro mobo and sx 8200pro ssd.
That one is just one sticker, not a heatsink. Use the one from your board please.

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post Sep 26 2019, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Sep 24 2019, 06:54 PM)
Just flashed to MSI ABBA beta BIOS, finally up to 4.4GHz (but a rarely hit).
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Try running Cinebench on single core.
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post Sep 28 2019, 02:52 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Sep 27 2019, 01:19 PM)
1700x bottlenecking? i thought that it should at least still be sufficient.
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Depends on title, 1700X with 3200Mhz RAM may show performance boost in games when compared to 2666 and below.
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post Oct 7 2019, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(ksking @ Oct 4 2019, 02:38 PM)
Ryzen 5 3600 with SMT off still faster than Ryzen 5 2600 overall? Anyone?
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What work load?
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post Oct 7 2019, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(ksking @ Oct 7 2019, 01:49 PM)
Photoshop etc photo editing?
Photoshop difficult to gauge the difference, also depends on what one does with photo editing, typically no difference unless you use processor intensive tools but even so the difference wouldn't be apparent.

Even with Puget systems their Photoshop tests are using super duper intensive tasks that the average user doesn't do.
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post Oct 7 2019, 10:18 PM

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post Oct 15 2019, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(Alert_RaZO @ Oct 15 2019, 01:49 AM)
Hi guys..
I want to build ITX using Ryzen 5 3400G.

Which mobo recommended? Asrock or Gigabyte?
I can only afford B450. I want to connect 2 monitors.

Usually got type C can connect what?
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I'm using ASRock B450 Gaming ITX/ac. Solid board, can OC my RAM to nice tight timing also.
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post Nov 7 2019, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(matni01 @ Nov 5 2019, 03:02 PM)
ok, one morequestion.
which is best ram brands and whyyy?
*want to use long term, thats why ask2 many biggrin.gif

hyperx? gskill tridentz? xpg? team group? corsair? or any other?
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What's your budget?

So far my experience is Team Group is nice, XPG nice too.

G.skill no need say la.

All in all see what you want, avoid Corsair LPX though. tongue.gif
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post Nov 8 2019, 08:12 AM

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QUOTE(matni01 @ Nov 7 2019, 12:42 PM)
now i can read xD
thank you
what abt hyperx predator?
which one is recommended?
budget around RM500+/-
16gb kit (8gb x 2)
Donno about HyperX.

Budget RM 500 can get many already.

My current in use is Team Group Vulcan Z 3200 which I can run at 3266 CL14.

I also have a Team Group Xcalibur, that one I can do 3733 CL16.

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post Nov 8 2019, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(kamechi @ Nov 8 2019, 08:59 AM)
is there a 'best-way' to flash x570 bios? i have a x570 aorus pro wifi and i download the gigabyte software, the bios there still showing f5 whereby i can already download f10a from website.
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Flash from UEFI.
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post Nov 11 2019, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(Spininmeow @ Nov 8 2019, 10:35 AM)
Why avoid Corsair LPX tho? Am I missing from anything

I just brought a pair of LPX 8gb 3200 for my upcoming upgrade
Didn't have good experience with it, so did others who tried.

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QUOTE(nrw @ Nov 8 2019, 01:52 PM)
no free review samples for him  brows.gif
On the contrary it's my first RAM for the Ryzen, direct from AMD too.

However that RAM kit since day 1 didn't work very well.

LPX is at my avoid list as of now. There are many other RAM models that are good from XPG, Team, G.Skill and so on.


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post Nov 11 2019, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(matni01 @ Nov 9 2019, 11:51 AM)
I now tengok2 at these RAM kit, dun need fancy2, subtle design & rgb suits my build.

TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 3200Mhz
ADATA XPG SPECTRIX D60G RGB 3200Mhz
Kingston HyperX Predator RGB 3200Mhz
Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200Mhz
and of course, trident Z lah xD
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Don't know about the Kingston, Corsair seems to be ok there.

I have the T-Force Delta, so far OK. Could possibly push tight timing like my Vulcan Z. XPG D60G I just got the unit, haven't push it.
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post Nov 16 2019, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(matni01 @ Nov 14 2019, 11:47 PM)
soo i came across some findings, says that RAM with lower CL is better for ryzen 3rd gen.
Better but not something tangible, only certain conditions the difference is tangible.

Most cases, your 3200 CL16 works pretty much like 3600 CL18.

You have to match speed vs CL, calculation is 2000 / speed X CL

2000 / 3200 X 16 = 10
2000 / 3600 X 18 = 10

So higher speed, also still same latency. Just that some apps will favor the one with higher speed but when I say favor I mean that there's an improvement.

The supposed IDEAL speed for AMD Ryzen is 3800MHz with 1:1 ratio to the Infinity Fabric that runs at 1900MHz.

From my testing going from various speeds, latencies and all, the difference is not worth shouting about (barely any difference).

What hurts the performance of anything, at least based on my experience, are RAM kit with poorly configured XMP profile.
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post Nov 16 2019, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(Demonic Wrath @ Nov 15 2019, 07:17 AM)
I'm using Teamgroup Delta R 3200CL16 kit and tightened the timing to CL14. It should be quite good for your usage. 3600Mhz kits seem to be overpriced..
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Should be same chip as my Vulcan Z.

Mine does 3266 CL14.
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post Nov 16 2019, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(nrw @ Nov 16 2019, 11:35 AM)
e.g. for 1080p the difference can be >10% fps by going from 3200c14 to 3800c14
Key word "can be" - depends on game, settings, and graphics card.

Also % can be misleading.

I've done my tests on 2400Mhz CL16 vs 3733 CL15 already as well, and the results are pretty interesting.

Some titles little to no improvements, some even A LOT more than 10%.

I'll publish my findings soon.
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post Nov 16 2019, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(nrw @ Nov 16 2019, 12:04 PM)
It depends on 90% if your CPU is the limiting variable. Which is why I mentioned FHD.


Yup, that's why depends on game title.

Since you point out 2400C16 let me pick that up smile.gif

QUOTE(nrw @ Nov 16 2019, 12:04 PM)
2400C16 (IF 1200): 290 fps, (99th percentile 83 fps)
3800C14 (IF 1900): 337 fps, (99th percentile 103 fps)
My tests is Ryzen 7 3700X on RX 5700.

2400 : 349 fps
3733 : 375 fps

Both 1% low at around 75fps.

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post Nov 16 2019, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(nrw @ Nov 16 2019, 12:17 PM)
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The former seems plausible, however C15 for 3733 seems odd,  did you disable gear down for that?
Mine is 3733 CL16 actually. Why odd la? That's the limit of the RAM kit I have at that time.

Not using GDM.

QUOTE(nrw @ Nov 16 2019, 12:17 PM)
Your sure about your lows? Doesn't really translate to the results I posted.
I'm using CS:GO FPS Benchmark Workshop and MSI Afterburner to log. smile.gif It's base on that, fresh installed.

But really doesn't matter la, we shouldn't be insisting which one is right.

While 1% lows are similar, the MAX FPS on the other hand is very different where the better memory timing configuration got 529 fps when the stock RAM setting got 495 fps.
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post Nov 16 2019, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(nrw @ Nov 16 2019, 01:10 PM)
Oh, you've mistaken me, I'm not insisting. Merely wondering why 1% lows are not effected in your findings.


Sorry. Not sure also. Maybe baseline achieved, so MAX is the one that affects the average.


QUOTE(nrw @ Nov 16 2019, 01:10 PM)
3733 I asked cuz you said C15 earlier. That would have been adjusted to c16 automatically unless you turned off gdm.


Yeah I remember setting 15 but as always, jump back to 16. tongue.gif

Haven't got into that much detail.

Just tweak memory and 1:1 IF.
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post Nov 17 2019, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(matni01 @ Nov 17 2019, 12:05 AM)
so in this case, does Trident Z F4-3600C18D-16GTZRX good enough? no compatibility issue on Ryzen 3rd gen?
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G.Skill RAM usually no problem.

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