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 Blotter Spot Test Oil Analysis:VOA Helix HX7 5W30, 16,286 km blotter Shell Helix Ultra 5W40

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kirakun
post Feb 17 2017, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Feb 17 2017, 11:56 AM)
I dripped EO on toilet paper, haha.
Here's the result.
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Typo on the date for second picture?

For the second picture, oil is dark and contaminated definitely due for a change.

I would advice against using till such condition as with contaminant shown through oil dip means there may be plenty down somewhere within the block, bearing or anywhere within reach of the oil. Clearly the oil filter is no longer working in this case.
kirakun
post Feb 17 2017, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Feb 17 2017, 12:16 PM)
Definitely not typo.
The dark one is BEFORE, clear one is AFTER 48hrs.
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Cannot brain the logic behind haha. Mind to elaborate on the oil taken before and 48 hours after?
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post Feb 17 2017, 12:18 PM

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post Feb 17 2017, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Feb 17 2017, 01:02 PM)
Both are the same oil,  Sir.
It's the same oil drip.
One picture was taken instantly after dripping on paper. After 48hrs took another picture (of the same sample).
From beginning till the end there is only one sample.
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Thanks for the clarification.

I'm still curious though, how did the visually visible contaminants went missing after 48 hours? Dried and evaporated into the thin air?


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post Feb 17 2017, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 17 2017, 12:46 PM)
There's another saying that if your oil is clear,  it isn't doing its job in suspending contaminants.

My guess also,  is after 48 hours the contaminants in the oil sink to the bottom and stay suspended there leaving a cleaner oil as shown.

Ultimately,  it's all guesswork.

The best and proper way is still a UOA. bar none,  the end.

Your eyes definitely cannot see metal particles and those you can see are beyond spectrometer that UOA uses and that's actually prompt for concerns.
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I do agree on the oil doing it's part as a part time cleaner for the engine however i'll say the color of the oil will be a more appropriate marker as the gauge, don't u think so? With that being said, isn't the oil filter supposed to filter the contaminants down to 5 or 10 microns(human hair is 45-70 micron)?

Since the oil filter is present and doing the filtration, how can the visually visible contaminants still present in oil dip? A clear indicator that the engine is mighty dirty or just the oil filter/oil is way due for replacement or both.

Don't get me wrong i also do agree that UOA is the proper mean to gauge the properties of the oil though.

This post has been edited by kirakun: Feb 17 2017, 01:35 PM
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post Feb 17 2017, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Feb 17 2017, 01:29 PM)
my guess is there wasn't any visible contaminant in the b4 pic.... the so-called contaminants are uneven spots on the toilet paper temporarily holding a minute amount of used oil, hence visibly darker and mistakenly interpreted as contaminants.

on 2nd pic, the oil spreaded/blotted over the paper over time so cant "see" the contaminants anymore.
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Perhaps chemistry should do another try, this time on a proper base to find out haha.

Edit: I have done spot test as well before on tissue and toilet papers but the unevenness observed was in patches rather than dots lol.

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post Feb 17 2017, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 17 2017, 03:11 PM)
In the end all guesswork.

And if you say its supposed to filter that low micron, your eyes also can't see them how do you determine the darker color is contaminant and is not deteriorated oil?

And even even I mention deteriorated oil,  how deteriorated do you know it is?  You cant gauge viscosity properly nor can you check flash point or insolubles.

My oil samples are way darker than that due to rough /high stress /track usage and yet UOA turn out fine.

Logic here: if your oil filter is so good,  you also don't need to oil change and supposedly all your drained oil would look damn nice right?  (assuming you use good oil)

And again,  all I posted here,  would all be estimates /guesswork without a proper UOA
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There is no need to get agitated. I never claimed that "my oil filter" is that good. Also didn't claim viscosity of the oil can be determined through visual inspection nor flash point or any else. Just pointing out that the fact on how an oil filter can filter accordingly as per what was stated. Taking no credit here nor deserve any. Also what I state by gauging the condition of the oil is also based on my point of view that it is absolutely not practical for me and I believe the majority here to get a UOA analysis done during OCI. So I'll just based on the typical recommended mileage aside from color of the oil and buttfeel to know when and at what mileage an oil change is required. But again that's just me.

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post Feb 17 2017, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 17 2017, 04:21 PM)
Not agitated at all. Just trying to highlight of the unknown variables that we just couldn't conclude anything.

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- oil filter
- Oil
- Wear
- Contaminants

Besides,  given the resistance even on a Blotter test,  good luck on convincing people for a proper UOA that involves so much more money tongue.gif
(even for myself,  it's been a very long time since my last UOA)
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thumbsup.gif .

A personal butt feel review on Liqui Moly Top Tec 4100 5w40 synthetic blend:

- Oil goes dark after 4 months of use and 5k km mileage
- Engine significantly consume more fuel onward
- Engine noise during cold start is significantly louder and a slightly rougher drive onward

OC done to mobil 1 0w40 after 6 months at 7k km mileage.

Using on 2GR-FE engine.

Just can't bring myself to let it slide on to 10k km lol.

Previously was on Motul H-Tech 100 plus 5w30, also done the OC around 6k km mileage. Same occurrence.






 

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