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 Blotter Spot Test Oil Analysis:VOA Helix HX7 5W30, 16,286 km blotter Shell Helix Ultra 5W40

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post Sep 7 2019, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(incredibless @ Aug 18 2019, 03:40 PM)
Mazda 3 2.0L Skyactiv
Current Odo : 98k+ km [due in around101,000km]
Date: 18/08/2019
Blotter time : 9am [picture taken 3pm] after approx 6 hours
oil age: last oil change is 91k km [March'19]
Engine oil used: Mobil 1 Extended Performance SN.
Type: 5w-30
Driving condition 60% city 40% highway [sometime highspeed revving.
Fuel used: BHP Ron 95
Can this oil last till my service due? I am a bit worried as most of the member posted is in golden color. Wondering this Mobil 1 ep oil is suitable? Been using 2nd time already.

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 30 2019, 08:03 PM)
Has come across an M1 EP 5W30 UOA at 12000 miles (not km) on Bitog and it performed very well.

Will see if I'm able to trace the UOA on Bitog and upload here accordingly for the benefit of readers .

Btw, MI EP 5W30 has 20-30 % Group IV Poly Alpha Olefins (PAO) base oil.

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UOA M1 EP 5W30 7110 miles (11,400 km) in Mazda 2.3L with fuel dilution ,TBN 4.7 .
Unable to retrace 12,000 miles UOA for now.
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Edit:As I understand it, M1 EP 5W30 has a virgin TBN of 9.48 .

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post Sep 10 2019, 08:03 PM

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Simple Oil Blotter Test
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post Sep 23 2019, 12:07 AM

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Honda City Gm2 year 2009
Current Odo : 113,040km
Date: 20/09/2019
Blotter time : 11pm (picture after 48hrs)
oil age : 3,155km
Engine oil used :
Type: Shell Helix HX8 X 5w30

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post Sep 23 2019, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Sep 23 2019, 12:07 AM)
Honda City Gm2 year 2009
Current Odo : 113,040km
Date: 20/09/2019
Blotter time : 11pm (picture after 48hrs)
oil age : 3,155km
Engine oil used :
Type: Shell Helix HX8 X 5w30

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Hi Bro,
You have a very clean 3155 km blotter spot test here, free of centre zone and also free of gray colour zone that relates to contaminants/dirt/wear etc.

I would rank this oil as in Spot 1 with plenty of life in it.

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How long you intend to go on this HX8?

Edit: Is your HX8 a SL or SN ?

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post Sep 23 2019, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Sep 23 2019, 11:39 AM)
Hi Bro,
You have a very clean 3155 km blotter spot test here, free of centre zone and also free of gray colour zone that relates to contaminants/dirt/wear etc.

I would rank this oil as in Spot 1 with plenty of life in it.

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How long you intend to go on this HX8?

Edit: Is your HX8 a SL or SN ?
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Hi Bro Zeng,

Again thanks for the detail explanation on my blotted spot test here, appreciate the effort.
The Shell Helix H8 X 5w30 was rate for API SN Plus/SN
For this oil i might try on hitting 10k KM and see how it goes.


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post Sep 27 2019, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Jul 11 2019, 09:43 AM)
Mobil 1 New Life 0W40 (from Tesco)
9642 km in 2005 Avanza 1.3 K3VE engine
ODO 289165 km
Blotter spot 48 hrs.
9642 km

.......... and going

Hmm..no sign of obvious centre zone perimeter ring.
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Mobil 1 New Life 0W40 (from Tesco)
13021 km in 2005 Avanza 1.3 K3VE engine
ODO 292545 km
Blotter spot 72 hrs.

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Absence of centre/deposit zone and its perimeter ring,
...... and going

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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Sep 23 2019, 12:18 PM)
Again thanks for the detail explanation on my blotted spot test here, appreciate the effort.
The Shell Helix H8 X 5w30 was rate for API SN Plus/SN
For this oil i might try on hitting 10k KM and see how it goes.
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Hi,

VOA of Shell Helix HX8 5W30 SN MB229.3 :

KV@40*C - 73.38 cSt;

KV@100*C - 12.11 cSt;

Viscosity Index - 163;

Total Base Number - 9.90

Sulphated Ash - 1.18 %;

Noack - 6.6 %;

Sulphur - 0.376 %;

Molybdenum - 39 ppm;

Phosphorous - 731 ppm;

Zinc - 815 ppm;

Boron - 2 ppm;

Magnesium - 11 ppm;

Calcium - 2942 ppm.

Technical Data Sheet:
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Anyone can do blotter for Mizu oil?
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post Oct 1 2019, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Oct 1 2019, 02:42 PM)
Anyone can do blotter for Mizu oil?
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It is free and easy, everyone can do ownself with a piece of A4 paper or coffee filter , by dropping one drop used oils onto the paper.
No need pay money and kept waiting for weeks ....
Post#1 has some links.

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post Oct 2 2019, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Sep 27 2019, 06:03 PM)
Mobil 1 New Life 0W40 (from Tesco)
13021 km in 2005 Avanza 1.3 K3VE engine
ODO 292545 km
Blotter spot 72 hrs.

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Absence of centre/deposit zone and its perimeter ring,
...... and going
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Mobil 1 New Life 0W40 (from Tesco)
14306 (not 14341) km in 2005 Avanza 1.3 K3VE engine
ODO 293830 (not 293865) km
Blotter spot 96 hrs.
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Replaced with similar oil, during Ori oil seals and Ori engine and gearbox mountings replacement .
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QUOTE(zeng @ Oct 2 2019, 12:28 PM)
Mobil 1 New Life 0W40 (from Tesco)
14306 (not 14341) km in 2005 Avanza 1.3 K3VE engine
ODO 293830 (not 293865) km
Blotter spot 96 hrs.
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Replaced with similar oil, during Ori oil seals and Ori engine and gearbox mountings replacement .
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Wa...your mounting cost quite cheap leh...

Your oxygen sensor rosak?
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post Oct 2 2019, 06:03 PM

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Not sure if the mountings price is not high ...

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Sorry, mistakenly deleted pictures on O2 sensor, before cleaning and after cleaning externally.
Internal can not clean, so mechanic recommend replacement, IDK.
He bought Perodua sensor (same Denso sensor but different electrical fitting) as it is cheaper than 'Toyota' sensor, but used back my old fitting.

Below are the 2 oil seals,

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post Oct 2 2019, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Oct 2 2019, 02:48 PM)
Your oxygen sensor rosak?
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Yes, fuel consumption increases from 11.5-12.5 km/L to 9.9 km/L despite similar tyre pressure of 44 psi.
Computer reads old (wave oscillations) readings between 0.1 and 0.6 in Volts(?).
After sensor replacement, back to specification of between 0.1 and 0.9 , again pictures wrongly deleted.

Edit:WKC, will find you a Shell Helix HX7 5W30 virgin oil analysis.
You used SL or SN ?

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post Oct 3 2019, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Oct 2 2019, 06:09 PM)

Edit:WKC, will find you a Shell Helix HX7 5W30 virgin oil analysis.
You used SL or SN ?
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The HX7 was the free engine oil provided by the dealer under free maintenance programme, don't know which rating was given, but assume is SN.
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QUOTE(zeng @ Sep 30 2019, 08:30 PM)
Hi,

VOA of Shell Helix HX8 5W30 SN MB229.3 :

KV@40*C - 73.38 cSt;

KV@100*C - 12.11 cSt;

Viscosity Index - 163;

Total Base Number - 9.90

Sulphated Ash - 1.18 %;

Noack - 6.6 %;

Sulphur - 0.376 %;

Molybdenum - 39 ppm;

Phosphorous - 731 ppm;

Zinc - 815 ppm;

Boron - 2 ppm;

Magnesium - 11 ppm;

Calcium - 2942 ppm.

Technical Data Sheet:
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Where did you get this VOA data? Did you do it or from oil-club.ru?

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post Oct 3 2019, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(foong pooi sing @ Oct 3 2019, 05:06 PM)
Where did you get this VOA data? Did you do it or from oil-club.ru?
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From the russian oil club, sir .
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post Oct 3 2019, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Oct 3 2019, 10:46 AM)
The HX7 was the free engine oil provided by the dealer under free maintenance programme, don't know which rating was given, but assume is SN.
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Here it comes ....
Virgin Oil Analysis of Shell Helix HX7 5W30 SN MB229.3 :
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Hope it helps .

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QUOTE(zeng @ Oct 3 2019, 11:48 PM)
Here it comes ....
Virgin Oil Analysis of Shell Helix HX7 5W30 SN MB229.3 :
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Hope it helps .
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noack 6%??? and TBN of 10, pretty insane mega_shok.gif

Testing ada salah kah? hmm.gif

Or am i reading it wrongly?
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post Oct 4 2019, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Oct 4 2019, 10:25 AM)
noack 6%??? and TBN of 10, pretty insane  mega_shok.gif

Testing ada salah kah?  hmm.gif

Or am i reading it wrongly?
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To be honest, I was taken aback too when first came across this voa results.

From my readings around, VOA testings in Germany/Russia is more sophisticated then that in NA like Blackstone etc.

I don't doubt the 'ball park' figures in this test, though Labs do make mistake occassionally and there is always a margin of error in any lab testing, hence the requirements of periodic calibration of lab equipments.

I'd used HX7 10W40 before but not its 5W30 siblings, and I must concede this Helix HX7 5W30 SN is a quality engine oil in relative terms to other 5W30's .
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Shell's GTL basestock is well known to hv very low NOACK figure, not surprising in this respect at all. just that i didn't expect they use GTL base in a lower tier SS oil.

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