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 Blotter Spot Test Oil Analysis:VOA Helix HX7 5W30, 16,286 km blotter Shell Helix Ultra 5W40

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post Nov 8 2018, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Nov 8 2018, 12:35 AM)
cant remember if i take this cold or hot.
was thinking to switch, but till now unsure, if to go for aisin or shell. next change should be around jan.
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This Aisin fully synthetic (PAO+Ester) 5w-40 API SN used by speedy is powerful, you may give it a try.
On Shell Helix Ultra 5W40, I'll upload a blotter spot say next 1 to 2 weeks after hitting 14,000 km and see how it goes ?

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post Nov 9 2018, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(alphaz @ Sep 12 2018, 12:47 PM)
24hr blot

Shell Helix Ultra Full Synthetic 5w30 (Made in Hong Kong)
Elantra 2002 1.8
Oil mileage 10,006 km

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Good blotter spot test at 10060 km, no sign of centre zone perimeter ring indicating good detergency/dispersancy properties close to as new.
No dark grey dirt/contaminants in centre and intermediate zones, indicating contaminant levels not very high at this high mileage.
No indication of fuels in outermost perimeter zone.
Engine appears to be in tip top conditions and well maintained.
This oil is still serviceable and could probably go for another 2000 - 4000 km and test.
Did you go on ?

Edit: Apologies for late response, alphaz.
Edit2: I personally consider this 10060 km SHU 5W30 blotter spot as performing relatively better than Honda 0W30 at 3750 km above.
Not trying to bash Honda 0W30 though.

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post Nov 12 2018, 03:28 PM

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post Nov 12 2018, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(alphaz @ Nov 11 2018, 03:49 PM)
Thank you zeng for your comments. I'm almost 14,000km on this EO now, I will do another test soon. This EO seems to be very good, it's a bit expensive at RM160 per 4L though. That's almost twice the price of SHU 5W40 one.
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Comparing my Shell 10099 km blotter spot, Helix Ultra 5W40
QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 15 2018, 03:21 PM)
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10099 km blotter
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against your 10060 km blotter spot ,Shell Helix Ultra 5W30 (Made in Hong Kong)
QUOTE(alphaz @ Sep 12 2018, 12:47 PM)
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.... both appears to perform equally well, I believe.

I'm awaiting another SHU 5W40 14100 km blotter spot to 'mature' and will upload in the next few days from today. blush.gif
This 'Made in Europe' Shell Helix Ultra 5W40 was bought from Giant at RM99.90

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post Nov 13 2018, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Aug 30 2018, 10:10 PM)
Update:

Car make: Nissan AD RESORT 1.6L (Carburetor)
Engine oil: Petro-Canada Duron SHP 15w40
Oil mileage: 12,558 km
Engine total mileage : 296801 km
Driving condition: 90% stop-go , 4-5 times engine on/off daily

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@zeng : Appreciate your review on this 72-hour blotter spot. Anyway, I am changing the oil in a few days. wink.gif
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Thanks for posting Chemistry, sorry for the late response.
As is typical of HDEO, this 12558 km blotter spot tests doesn't demonstrate darkened centre zone perimeter ring, indicating high detergency/dispersancy capabilities of used sample.
Intermediate zone is a bit greying in colour, but it's still good.
It appears to me this semi synthetic SHP 15W40 can go beyond 12558 km OCI in this carburettor engine.

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post Nov 14 2018, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Nov 13 2018, 06:33 PM)
Many thanks for taking time to comment here.
The HDEO was drained at OCI 13000km and has been in service for 14 months . I think it has done its job very well.
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I had used HDEO mineral CI4 15W40 for around 8500 km oil change and found them very robust.
Yours is semi synthetic with CK4 of 'higher' specs.
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QUOTE(putra23 @ Aug 21 2018, 03:32 PM)
Bardahl MXP 5W-40 FS
180,020 km mileage
6,829 km usage
Livina 1.6 NA
Photo at 48 hours

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https://forum.lowyat.net/uploads/attach-74/...-1534836705.jpg

This Bardahl MXP 5W40 FS blotter spot has very vague centre zone perimeter ring, which is good news at 6829 km.
Detergency/dispersancy capabilities of oil is still strong and probably can still go on for several thousands km more.

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post Nov 15 2018, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(senscents @ Aug 15 2018, 07:17 PM)
Since the last used of the Pennzoil oil are good, i've prolong the oil change.
Hope this blotter will be a good indication for all.
Oil sample taken cold.

EO: Pennzoil Platinum Velocity 5w-40
Car: Perodua 2014
Engine: 1.3 auto
Millage: 17000 km
Odometer: 86132
Driving Condition: 60% City; 40% Highway
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Wow, nice blotter spot test at 17000 km, Senscents.
No signs of perimeter ring near the centre zone, I would assess the oil detergency/dispersancy properties are in top form and there is probably still life in this oil.
As you took sample at cold, the fuel dilution can be observed at the outermost perimeter zone.
Btw,I would strongly recommend this Platinum Velocity 5W40 to the readers on lowyat using typical Asian engines .

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post Nov 23 2018, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Nov 22 2018, 03:35 PM)
How is this oil doing?

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This oil is still doing fine and appears to be quite clear of grey dark contaminants, indicating good mechanical condition.
However, there is appearance of a centre zone perimeter ring that correlates with dispersancy capability of this used oil and that's something to keep watch, IMHO.
Having said this, I think this used oil is good to go on.

Cempedak has similar HGEO 0W30 in use and seems to have similar trends in emergence of perimeter ring at rather low oil mileage.

Maybe you should take another blotter spot 2000 - 3000 km down the road and see how the perimeter ring develops ?

Btw, what's the car/engine model in use ?
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QUOTE(Nagashiro @ Nov 23 2018, 01:42 PM)
All the EO masta here ...

I saw there are plenty of Shell Helix Ultra for sale in Giant for 85 each.

They are made in Europe but all the wording seems to indicate its for Russian market. What do you guys think of it ? Authentic ?
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I can say for sure it's authentic for I had seen it's packaging (bought from Giant, but at RM99) and the blotter spot tests below:
5575 km
10099 km,
and going ....

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post Nov 25 2018, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(senscents @ Nov 25 2018, 02:13 AM)
EO: Pennzoil Platinum Velocity 5w-40
Car: Perodua 2014
Engine: 1.3 auto
Millage: App. 22000 km
Odometer: App.91,000
Driving Condition: 50% City; 50% Highway
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Wow, obscenely good 22000 km blotter spot test ......
and still showing absence of centre zone perimeter ring, indicating the used oil detergency/dispersancy properties are on top of situations.
The centre zone is generally not greyish dark for its long 22000 km usage, indicating clean engine oil condition with not much of contaminants and combustion byproducts.
Slight indications of fuel at the outermost zone.
My take is this used oil is still serviceable, yes I know it's already 22,000 km in use.
This Pennzoil Platinum Velocity 5W40 really don't play-play, as our bahasa says.
Strongly recommend this oil to lowyat readers here .
Thank you for posting , Senscents and you're adventurous and looks like in control of situations .

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post Nov 26 2018, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Nov 23 2018, 08:50 AM)
Ok.. I will update you guys after another 3000KM. The car is Honda City 2010 model with L15A7. I take good care of the engine and seldom rev it above 3,000 RPM. Drive like an uncle in order not to stress out the engine and gearbox. Oil change are usually set at around 7 - 9k mileage.
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Your driving style is easy on oils , in a 2010 City the engine oil should 'well behaved' , but ......
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QUOTE(alphaz @ Nov 24 2018, 06:54 AM)
Follow up of my Shell Helix Ultra 5w30 at 14,000 km.

19 hour blot:
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37 hour blot:
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What do you think?
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Hi, alphaz ,
Very good blotter spot tests performance, and there is no signs of centre zone perimeter ring developing indicating this oil detergency/dispersancy properties are still in good shape, despite the mileage .
The slightly greyish zone indicates increased level of contaminants and combustion byproducts at 14,160 km which is well dispersed and good .
But that's nothing to be alarmed about as I believe this used oil Helix Ultra 5W30 is still in serviceable condition.
Should the oil be still in use, may be take another blotter spot in 2000 - 3000 km and see how the centre zone goes .....

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post Dec 27 2018, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(alphaz @ Dec 25 2018, 06:41 AM)
Hi zeng,

Here's a 24 hour blot test result at 16,000 km, Shell Helix Ultra Fully Synthetic 5w30 Made in Hong Kong, in Elantra 1.8 2002.

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It seems to me that it might still be good for another 2000 km I suppose?
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Hi alphaz, that's a very robust 16000 km blot.
There is no sign of centre zone perimeter ring (of 8-10 mm diameter) indicating great capacity of dispersancy/detergency of this used oil sample.
Btw, there is some fuel dilution as indicated in the outermost zone but the oil is strong.
2000 km ? I would speculate shouldn't be an issue if you wish to go for it.
Btw, my SHU 5W40 is currently at 16500 km.
Time to locate my 14000 km blotter picture that I promised prior.
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Dec 27 2018, 11:30 AM)
daikor zeng

i'm also thinking of submitting a blotter, would like to know the sample should be taken when engine is cold or after a drive?
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Wkc,
If alphaz sample above was taken after a drive of say > 30 minutes, then the outermost zone or ring indicating fuel dilution may attribute the source of problem to ill tuned fuel injection system, in particular in a carburrettor engine or gasoline direct injection engine.
If the sample was taken cold or < 5 minutes of driving, it's quite normal for most (or any ) engines to demonstrate this phenomenon.Therefore it's hard to point to out-of-tuned fuel system timing as the cause .
Hence it's best to take the blotter sample after driving for say, > 20 minutes to rule out the above 'confusion' .

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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Dec 27 2018, 08:32 PM)
Hi Zeng..... will appreciate your insight in this blot test. The blot was taken more than 48 hours ago, 15mins after engine switched off.

Since we have seen mostly fully or semi synthetic blot tests, I think we might be curious how ye olde mineral oil will fare  tongue.gif   Thanks in advance.

EO   :    Formula Shell 10W-40 SN (Mineral)
Mileage done  :  5,466 km since Oct 2018
Car  ;    Wira 1.6 year 1999
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Hi Speedy,
What's the ODO total mileage ? Is it carburrettor or fuel injection ?
There isn't any center zone perimeter ring which is good news for this 5466 km blotter spot test, for it indicates this used mineral Formula Shell 10W40 dispersancy/detergency properties are still in top shape .........
meaning there is still life in this used oil.
There isn't much contaminants as the blotter spot is not darkish or greyish. It may indicate a well maintained engine , never mind it is 1999. IDK.
However I will bench mark this Formula Shell 10W40 against Senscents Formula Shell 5W30 8500 km blotter spot and I would like to speculate they share similar additive package.
Not sure if there is any fuel dilution, as I couldn't 'magnify' the image or see clearly its outermost zone.
I would recommend continue its service for another 2000 km or so and see how its next blotter spot performs.

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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Dec 29 2018, 12:02 AM)
My wira has done 395k km, or exactly at 394,888 km when the sample was taken. It has a 1.6litre engine with MPI, but on manual transmission, never overhauled.

Senscents' oil was the fully synthetic version of the series. Both dino and fully synthetic were sold under Formula Shell label. Mine is the basic mineral version, now selling for rm67 5qts at shopee.

Noted on the extra mileage b4 the next test. TQ again.
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At 395k km, your engine appears very good shape by looking at your blotter spot.

Now, your mineral Formula Shell 10W40 has a VI of 154 :

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Compare this against Senscents' so called fully synthetic FS 5W30 (which at times claim mineral ) , also has a VI of 157 :Attached Image

My interpretation of Formula Shell 5W30 SN is also a mineral oil, not quite a fully synthetics as occassionally claimed.

I really like to see your FS 10W40 at 8000 - 10000 km blotter spot and see how it fares.

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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Dec 31 2018, 12:37 PM)
Hi Zeng,
Below is my Wira 1999, 1.3 engine oil. Please give me a reading. EO used at 1537km. Thanks.

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Hi BZT,
Absence of centre zone perimeter ring, which is good news and quite expected for a 1500 km oil.
There is a lot of life left, and may be take another blotter spot test at 3000 - 5000 km from now and evaluate.
Btw, what's the oil type and viscosity grade ?

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