To select the best heat rejection film, you have to determine the VLT that you want because it will affect the rest of the performance. For instant example,

We have
1. Spectrally selective window film means the film always have high VLT, Low VLR and High Rejection
For example, the spec will be 70% VLT, 8% VLR, 99% UV,0.5 SC and 55% TSER. This film is more suitable for automotive to meet up our JPJ rules.

2. Non spectrally selective window film means the film can have better performance by lower their VLT and increase
their VLR. For example, the spec will be 20% VLT, 50% VLR, 99% UV, 0.2 SC and 80% TSER. This will against the JPJ rules, thus it more suitable for architectural application.

Lets talk about IRR, this bit technical. We measure IRR in nanometer. In nanometer we measure

1. UV (0-380 nanometer)
2. VLT (380-780 nanometer)
3. IRR (780-up to 2400 nanometer)

For the 1st and 2nd reading, the measurement of nanometer is short, therefore the percentage is always 100% accurate, that's why most the windows film claim have 99% of UV rejection.

When come to IRR measurement, some of the windows film claim they have 95% IRR rejection but when tested with equipment such as 500 watt heat lamp, it burn faster than the one who claim have 90% IRR. This because the windows film that come IRR 95% take their IRR reading at 780-1000 nanometer or even lower. That where the films performs the best meanwhile the windows film that have 90% IRR have their reading at 780-2000 nanometer or even more. Read here for more

http://advancedfilmfl.net/files/72745-6383..._Rev0709_lo.pdf

Some of the HOME BRAND do not have the accurate specification. They normally buy the windows film in bulk and rebrand or remodified the windows film with great specification to boost the sales. That's why important go for International Brand because we always send our product to lab testing and get verification.

This post has been edited by lonely143: Aug 12 2013, 08:50 PM

Actually is very easy, first you need to understand there is 3 ray in natural sun-light. In another word, you are expose to these 3 ray in the same time when you walking under the sun.

a) Visible light (Light which can be seen by human eye)
b) Infra-Red (Invisible)
c) Ultra-Violet (Invisible)

All these 3 rays contribute to Solar Energy. Infra-Red (54%), UV (3%) and Visible Light (43%).


If the film spec IRR90% means 90% of solar energy in Infra-Red Region is reject away, thus it is not represent the whole solar energy. The more accurate film performance is refer to TSER, Total Solar Energy Rejection consist of the solar energy rejection of IR + UV + Visible Light.

Somehow, the TSER value is always low for automobile film. Due to VLT is high, more visible light can pass through, means more energy contain in visible light can pass through. In the other hand, when VLT is low, if the film is darker, the TSER is much higher.

Example :
Raytech Centurion 4mil IRR95%, TSER 62%

Infact, TSER value is more accurate compare to IRR value. Somehow, we normally refer to IRR value is good enough, because VLT value in Malaysia in order to compliant with JPJ rules and regulations must be higher than 50% for side and back window.

The only problem is that the IRR value you getting is genuine or not.

Please click in my trade to see what is USA genuine product.

Yes I have to agree... just to share my experience on this topic... excuse the long post, but i feel we malaysians should empower ourselves, find out more, dealers/agents shouldn't just push their product without care about service..

As a start, I don't care for one tint brand over another.. i don't represent any brand... to me it seems they all do the job more or less.

For Huper, i went to SS2 branch - the SA was very helpful.. not lansi at all. Explain all my questions in detail.. Give me proper quotation without being secretive.. .not pushing me towards any promotion. no problem with me mixing and matching or choosing their promotion.. also no problem giving me sample to test my autogate.

For Llumar, i went to SS2 outlet also (actually next to Huper shop)... found the salesgirls very lansi and not knowledgeable at all... they just wanted to push their promotion combo just using their small product booklet.. when i told them i don't understand because very confusing and the booklet very hard to compare (have to flip pages), and their range is not consistent with the Llumar website - they just give me some BS excuse saying "don't worry --- customer just pick security range, and then it will come with corresponding solar range - the specs will be more or less the same".... when i ask can see the spec for the solar range -- answer "don't have".. They just don't want to explain how to mix and match different solar and security film range.. Finally i got so fedup with them i wanted to leave, the head saleslady come to my assistance.. but still don't really want to explain the Llumar range.. just want to push the promotion combo.. want to take brochure also don't have.. want to take sample also very reluctant - but finally at least give me sample to test my autogate.

Not satisfied with this Llumar outlet, i went to their HQ in Chan Sow Lin to inquire more because according to website, the Llumar spec is rather good.. this time the SA lagi lansi.. first SA girl, again pushing their combo.. ask for brochure also don't have.. the sample booklet which they use to show customers also having so small film cannot see/feel properly.. then suddenly this SA girl without saying a word just dissapear.. Another SA girl show up try to take over.. so i have to explain everything again.. at this point, i'm getting fedup already.. then the head sales/office mgr come to assist... one indian lady.. again i have to explain everything but wah this lady damn so lansi.. just say, this is their product combo.. .basically take it or leave it.. say don't need to explain further.. nothing to explain.. with that, i had enough and left..

3M also not having good initial feeling.. go to car dealer showroom, they provide 3M tint as part of package, but when ask further, the 3M SA not around... prod info brochure also not available.. at the moment, no further comment until i find time to go to proper 3M dealer and ask more.

Without a doubt, i would never use Llumar (at least in malaysia) even if their product is good... lousy and lansi salesppl.. product range not easy to compare, very confusing, inconsistent info (at least i trust their website more... but unfortunately website got no such thing as diamond6/Palladium9/crystal6/Gold/t4-50/etc... i don't have time to compare specs and see which name in malaysia matches which product line in the website - and i shouldn't have to do that..

at least huper, the SA give me a confidence feeling.. and at least their prod info is consistent.. not so secretive.. easy to understand.. Llumar such a dissapointment. where got multinational selling product don't even have brochure to give customer ? WAH - like that, how to expect to buy ? they expect customer to just look at small booklet, don't ask questions, choose the promotion, and pay...

anyways, choose wisely... cause there are lots of lousy dealers out there.. .promise this and that.. in the end, never give you feeling that you got what you paid for... sometimes also don't know whether they switch film or not to something cheaper...

tints are not cheap... so i'd rather go with my gut feel.. understand product properly first, do i sense dealer got something to hide, are my questions being answered properly, is the SA knowledgeable, is he/she being straightforward, do i feel i will get good aftersale service, or will i just get pushed around when there is bubbling, or kena saman by JPJ, etc...

drive safe, and stay safe - Cheers,

If you want good heat rejection, look at the TSER percentage for the most accurate measurement. IRR is not the best measurement for heat rejection. The higher TSER means the higher % the solar heat/sun hotness is rejected by the film.

But TSER % varies from company to company also because they do not have a proper standard to test it. You won't know which company is advertising the genuine TSER %.

Generally, what you pay is what you get. Go for reputable companies such as V-kool, Ecotint, HO or 3M.

1st, You have to know which brand film product is origin made from USA or Japan.
2nd, The spec which you can find in the internet can be trusted.
3rd, The genuine product from one brand normally got it trademark logo on the film.
4th, If that tinting shop provide meter testing is even better to make you confident.

Pls Read my articles in my thread, Why 80% of consumer do not realise that
they using low grade film with high price,
and how to ensure the brand's product is genuinely make from USA.

[quote=mousey772,Aug 12 2013, 10:25 PM]
Yes I have to agree... just to share my experience on this topic... excuse the long post, but i feel we malaysians should empower ourselves, find out more, dealers/agents shouldn't just push their product without care about service..

As a start, I don't care for one tint brand over another.. i don't represent any brand... to me it seems they all do the job more or less.

For Huper, i went to SS2 branch - the SA was very helpful.. not lansi at all. Explain all my questions in detail.. Give me proper quotation without being secretive.. .not pushing me towards any promotion. no problem with me mixing and matching or choosing their promotion.. also no problem giving me sample to test my autogate.

For Llumar, i went to SS2 outlet also (actually next to Huper shop)... found the salesgirls very lansi and not knowledgeable at all... they just wanted to push their promotion combo just using their small product booklet.. when i told them i don't understand because very confusing and the booklet very hard to compare (have to flip pages), and their range is not consistent with the Llumar website - they just give me some BS excuse saying "don't worry --- customer just pick security range, and then it will come with corresponding solar range - the specs will be more or less the same".... when i ask can see the spec for the solar range -- answer "don't have".. They just don't want to explain how to mix and match different solar and security film range.. Finally i got so fedup with them i wanted to leave, the head saleslady come to my assistance.. but still don't really want to explain the Llumar range.. just want to push the promotion combo.. want to take brochure also don't have.. want to take sample also very reluctant - but finally at least give me sample to test my autogate.

Not satisfied with this Llumar outlet, i went to their HQ in Chan Sow Lin to inquire more because according to website, the Llumar spec is rather good.. this time the SA lagi lansi.. first SA girl, again pushing their combo.. ask for brochure also don't have.. the sample booklet which they use to show customers also having so small film cannot see/feel properly.. then suddenly this SA girl without saying a word just dissapear.. Another SA girl show up try to take over.. so i have to explain everything again.. at this point, i'm getting fedup already.. then the head sales/office mgr come to assist... one indian lady.. again i have to explain everything but wah this lady damn so lansi.. just say, this is their product combo.. .basically take it or leave it.. say don't need to explain further.. nothing to explain.. with that, i had enough and left..

3M also not having good initial feeling.. go to car dealer showroom, they provide 3M tint as part of package, but when ask further, the 3M SA not around... prod info brochure also not available.. at the moment, no further comment until i find time to go to proper 3M dealer and ask more.

Without a doubt, i would never use Llumar (at least in malaysia) even if their product is good... lousy and lansi salesppl.. product range not easy to compare, very confusing, inconsistent info (at least i trust their website more... but unfortunately website got no such thing as diamond6/Palladium9/crystal6/Gold/t4-50/etc... i don't have time to compare specs and see which name in malaysia matches which product line in the website - and i shouldn't have to do that..

at least huper, the SA give me a confidence feeling.. and at least their prod info is consistent.. not so secretive.. easy to understand.. Llumar such a dissapointment. where got multinational selling product don't even have brochure to give customer ? WAH - like that, how to expect to buy ? they expect customer to just look at small booklet, don't ask questions, choose the promotion, and pay...

anyways, choose wisely... cause there are lots of lousy dealers out there.. .promise this and that.. in the end, never give you feeling that you got what you paid for... sometimes also don't know whether they switch film or not to something cheaper...

tints are not cheap... so i'd rather go with my gut feel.. understand product properly first, do i sense dealer got something to hide, are my questions being answered properly, is the SA knowledgeable, is he/she being straightforward, do i feel i will get good aftersale service, or will i just get pushed around when there is bubbling, or kena saman by JPJ, etc...

drive safe, and stay safe - Cheers,




Smart consumer detected always survey and know the product before buying and i think Malaysian should be behavior like this don't let the stupid idiot black hearts out there keep telling us LYNAS is safe !!!! Our criminal case drop and not serious at all and many many shit more .......


Ok sorry a bit out of topic, thank you bro mousey772 sharing his experience here so i can use his review to install windows tint for my new car and definately will pay a visit to huper. Thanks again

Thus it is going back again to my point of choosing a reputable film like V-kool, Ecotint, 3M or HO. You might be paying a slightly premium price but you know it can be trusted. What I meant in my comment earlier is those cheap-not-so-reputable tints which offers high % of TSER but in fact they are using pariah standards of testing.

It doesn't matter where the film comes from. If 3M is to shift to China, it will be still a better product compare to a lot of other brands that is coming from more superior countries.

Yes, branding is very important. Do you expect Proton have same quality with Honda? We put more effort, research, consumers feedback, consumers needs and etc in the product. As windows film seller, product knowledge is necessary skill for us to explain to the consumers. If you have encounter salesperson that could not answer any your basic question, I guess you can just walk away from that shop.

I'm just sharing this rating by NFRC, http://search.nfrc.org/search/apd_film/fil...ch_default.aspx
My company product

Southwall Technology - Huper Optik and V-Kool
Saint Gobain - Solar Gard

This one of the best website to prove the ratings in US. http://www.nfrc.org/WindowRatings/

This post has been edited by lonely143: Aug 14 2013, 05:57 PM

Good News everybody in Johor Bahru, Raytech Window Film newly open outlet in JB, Skudai started business by yesterday.

Add : 67 & 69, Jalan Glasier, Taman Tasek, 80200 Johot Bahru.
Tel : 07-2365455

Anyone install Llumar T4-50 and satisfied with it? is it worth d money of rm1600 for this tint?

http://www.groupon.my/deals/klang-valley-k...films/717271385

Sifu, nee d you guys advice. This package ok?

Raytech Safety Film made from Commonwealth Laminating and Coating, Inc. Evaluation according to the following test methods/standards:
◦Small Missile Impact Test – ANSI Z-97.1 and CPSC 16 CFR 1201
◦Large Missile Impact Test & Cyclic Window Pressure Tests –
ASTM E 1886-02/ASTM E 1996-03, Level C, 4.5lb 2" x 4"
◦GSA Explosive Test – GSA-TS01-2003
◦Flame Spread and Smoke Developed Test – ASTM E-84

Here is youtube link for the Raytech Safety Film Live Smashing Demonstration in China Business conference. You can see the different before and after the film remove from the window.



This post has been edited by Lord Gitsy: Aug 17 2013, 12:13 PM

Getting new Honda Jazz and salesman is giving 3M voucher. Is it worth it? Tint my Alza with raytech few years ago. Am satisfy with quality, so far so good. heat cooling really good n i dont feel hot driving.

thinking to go back with raytech but salesman keep saying 3M voucher good. Can I just tell him i want to tint the car myself?

Of course you can -) just ignore what SA tell you and go search yourself

Anyone here heard before V-armour tint?? as my salesman is giving me free RM1200 voucher for the tinted with security tint, any comment on this brand of Tint? thanks

Anyone hear about WINSHIELD? SA recommended WINSHIELD with 30% discount for all WINSHIELD products. I'm actually interest in WINSHIELD Demigod 85 (5 mil) or WINSHIELD(6mil) with the specs and pricing. Is it good? Can someone advise?

Both also HOME BRAND, nothing no mention except the thickness is good.

What is "HOME BRAND" mean? How about LLumar Crystal 6 Security Solar Tint? With different of ard RM200-300, I can get Llumar with better specs.

Actually, there is difference between "Home-brands" and "Local Brands".

What is Home-Brand :
Lets say a good brand called "Samsung". The original Samsung phones are S3, S4 or Note2. You can find these models in their official website. But when the retailer takes in other non-brand model (Not from Samsung), create a name for it (for example Samsung S33), tries to cheat and sells it as a Samsung phones model in their shop and give Samsung warranty card for it. Most of the customers are not aware of this and think it is a original Samsung model. Somehow this model is not made by Samsung and you can't find this model in Samsung's official website. This is called "Home-brand".

What is Local-Brand :
Local brands are not international brands, these brands can only be found in Malaysia, the brand owner buys films from supplier and labels them as his own brand. Actually, there is no problem by doing so. However, too many local brands are claiming that their products are origin from USA but the truth is they are just taking low grade and low cost films made in Korea and sell them as high end films to customers who are not aware about it. Most of the dealers will claim that their products are made in USA. Somehow, if you go into more details about their USA products, they would not even be able to give you any information about their USA manufacturer. You won't be able to find any concrete information or evidence of their manufacturer in their website, product catalogues or brochures.

Customers must do more studies to choose the right brand and original products.