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TSbojek
post Jan 30 2017, 07:03 AM

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Heard bout OBD. Will it help with the car performance?

Read review in fb OBD has benefited them, money wise and performance wise.

Also am planning to change intake manifold/exaust one set but heard somewhere that the ecu/computer/sensor will detect it.

Need a bit more pawa


Smoochy poohh
post Jan 30 2017, 07:31 AM

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QUOTE(bojek @ Jan 30 2017, 07:03 AM)
Heard bout OBD. Will it help with the car performance?

Read review in fb OBD has benefited them, money wise and performance wise.

Also am planning to change intake manifold/exaust one set but heard somewhere that the ecu/computer/sensor will detect it.

Need a bit more pawa
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OBD is just a reader, no benefit in performance at all.
It have to be plugged in under the steering.
TSbojek
post Jan 30 2017, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(Smoochy poohh @ Jan 30 2017, 07:31 AM)
OBD is just a reader, no benefit in performance at all.
It have to be plugged in under the steering.
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That's why i oso confused.

This one they call it obd2 nitro. All oso said increase pick up and more fuel eco.
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post Jan 30 2017, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(bojek @ Jan 30 2017, 09:14 AM)
That's why i oso confused.

This one they call it obd2 nitro. All oso said increase pick up and more fuel eco.
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Highly likely these things are a scam and can cause more harm than good...
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Can the side mirror autofold???
coolkwc
post Feb 1 2017, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(Imagination *-* @ Jan 29 2017, 10:42 PM)
List of issues with mine so far with "possible" solutions..

1. Gearbox pvc leather cover got hole
    - SC have already ordered but not yet received since the last 4 months.

2. Small dent on rear left side of car
    - not noticeable unless you really look and search for it
    - did not complain to SC about this as god knows how long my car will be kept there to replace the rear boot panel.

3. Rear seat backrest latch problem after un-latching.
    - causing rattle sound
    - right latch cannot be re-latched. left side have to slam my rear backrest into position to lock.
    - SC ordered right side latch only since 1 month ago.

4. Steering wheel alignment off center.
    - meaning for my car to move straight the steering wheel must be turned slightly counter clockwise.
    - SC said can't help me with this as I've changed my stock rims but this issue existed before I changed them.
    - Have to do outside shop alignment then. Hopefully it will fix it but some say that this is one of a known plague of proton whereby the steering rack bush got issue.

5. Rattle noise like "stones in a glass jar vibrating" when going over uneven surfaces coming out from my glovebox area.
     - Highly likely is the latch and striker causing this sound as when I drive with glovebox opened, this issue is non-existed.
     - temporary solution is to tape the striker to reduce the sound but sound still exists (less often)
     - SC have no solution for this and also followed my method.

6. Absorber thump thump sound when going over bumps.
     - Very audible when driving without radio on.
    - Both front absorbers
     - SC have checked it twice (added some lubricant to the absorbers) but problem still persists. 3rd time go SC will request them to change both.

7. Highly likely drive shaft axle has gone bad
    - I'm really disappointed with this.
    - Refer to https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4180043
    - SC already confirmed drive shaft issue and order right side driveshaft. But I am having this issue when I turn left or right over bumps/sudden change in floor level.

8. Really poor performance & response when driving under 2k rpm.
    - this is when the engine is at operating temperature. When my engine is cold, performance is good and snappy most of the time (I'm not really sure is this all the time or not). Could be due to ecu pump rich a/f ratio during cold.
    - Also when driving at low speed and moderate rpm, when the aircon compressor kicks in, can definitely feel  my rpm dropped and a braking force exerted to my cars engine. In other words it sorts of jerked. In a manual...
    - Also, sometimes when shifting back to neutral and braking towards a stop. rpm stays at 1.5k and later on drops. refering to this (persoan vvt group)    https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4011234/+1540   , could be due to faulty brake stop switch. Will check with SC on my 3rd problems trip there.

9. Metal rattling sound coming from engine bay when engine is under load or at a hill and warmed up below 2k rpm (could be during cold but mostly during warm).
    - Sample similar sound here at around 00:10s (sry duno embed)    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCbi3FnuhTM...rLLRr-Q&index=1 
    - At first really worried as this might be pinging or pre-detonation sound coming from within my engines combustion chamber as in the short/long run will cause serious damage to my engine. I've researched that this is a common issue with campro engines especially during gen2 era (No one has a solid solution for this yet).
    - could be due to engine too hot and the mixture detonated before piston reaches top dead center. could be knock sensor problem. could be ron95 not compatible. could be bad cooling system. could be ecu problem. really lost here...

    - However from the video sample shown with similar sound, his solution was actually looking into the exhaust heat shield that was found to be loose. Thus this could be whats causing the issue. During my next trip to SC I will have them check this out also...
    - PLEASE BE EXHAUST HEAT SHIELD ISSUE...

---------------------------------------- End of issues currently with my Saga VVT manual 2016-------------------------------------------------------------

I will get myself an obd2 scanner as well for myself to diagnose my car to check if everything is supposed to be running as it should.

Again, car drives great but this issues (especially issue 7,8,9) must be solved asap before it gives birth to other issues. I guess in my case, its true that when u buy a proton u learn more about ur car and will have regular visits to the SC....

I am still keeping my calm as the car is still drive-able and not staying in SC emergency ward overnight....
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I won't surprise what you faced in item 8 above. Proton VVT has the official torque and horse power figure same as campro iafm, with no official dyno chart release to differentiate these 2, i doubt VVT is much more superior than IAFM. No doubt you will feel under power for anything lower than 2k since the max torque come very late at 4k rpm. The jerking during compressor kickin is exactly what happen in BLM/FL/FLX due to the oversize compressor used in this small engine (i believe it still the same Sanden unit in saga VVT, which is piston based compressor), the compressor can seize up to 30% of engine torque during operation, but the outcome is cold aircond in cabin even in minimal coldness setting. Furthermore the engine braking jerk can only be felt.in manual especially in gear1 and 2 due to direct coupling of clutch to the engine, you won't feel in 4AT and CVT due to drastic torque seizure masked by the less efficient (compare to manual clutch) torque converter/wet clutch.

I would say overall new proton did improve alot in safety and assesories, but the engine compartment still lack the refinement and lag behind the competitor.

This post has been edited by coolkwc: Feb 1 2017, 02:58 PM
Smoochy poohh
post Feb 1 2017, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(kwlooi @ Feb 1 2017, 11:02 AM)
Can the side mirror autofold???
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No, it had to be done manually.
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post Feb 2 2017, 04:44 PM

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plan to buy new car for driving to work and maybe use it as grabcar too. Should i get new saga or persona in terms or fuel efficiency and safety?

Also, i went to proton showroom just now and there were no unit for me to test drive there sad.gif all units were sold according to them and have to book appointment for test drive..


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post Feb 2 2017, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(wunan90 @ Feb 2 2017, 04:44 PM)
plan to buy new car for driving to work and maybe use it as grabcar too. Should i get new saga or persona in terms or fuel efficiency and safety?

Also, i went to proton showroom just now and there were no unit for me to test drive there sad.gif all units were sold according to them and have to book appointment for test drive..
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Safety, comfort, & Power = Persona

Fuel efficiency & Looks = Saga
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post Feb 2 2017, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(Smoochy poohh @ Feb 2 2017, 05:02 PM)
Safety, comfort, & Power = Persona

Fuel efficiency & Looks = Saga
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sad i cant have both..do u have proton saga bro?
Smoochy poohh
post Feb 2 2017, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(wunan90 @ Feb 2 2017, 05:25 PM)
sad i cant have both..do u have proton saga bro?
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Yes I have, Premium variant
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post Feb 2 2017, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(Smoochy poohh @ Feb 2 2017, 05:27 PM)
Yes I have, Premium variant
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nice bro..how's your experience driving the car.. is it good or do u face any issue so far>?
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post Feb 2 2017, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(wunan90 @ Feb 2 2017, 06:04 PM)
nice bro..how's your experience driving the car.. is it good or do u face any issue so far>?
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I'm happy driving it, it handles like a champ around corners.

Only one issue that's absorber making sound.
This is the most common issue faced by new Saga owners. They just tighten it up at SC or changed the whole absorber under warranty. But my car only make a sound when the speed bump is too high. So, I just ignored it.




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post Feb 2 2017, 11:40 PM

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So far no issue. Drive it like a champ.
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But for ferrying people better opt for Persona. More pick up and more comfortable for rear passanger.
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QUOTE(Imagination *-* @ Jan 29 2017, 10:42 PM)

List of issues with mine so far with "possible" solutions..


6. Absorber thump thump sound when going over bumps.
    - Very audible when driving without radio on.
    - Both front absorbers
    - SC have checked it twice (added some lubricant to the absorbers) but problem still persists. 3rd time go SC will request them to change both.

my fren saga vvt has replace both front coil spring for free at cose, gluk2 thump sound when going over bumps has been solved, no noise at all. btw cose will collect each batch which complain about this and they will make appointment with vendor(apm) to replaced it.


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8. Really poor performance & response when driving under 2k rpm.
    - this is when the engine is at operating temperature. When my engine is cold, performance is good and snappy most of the time (I'm not really sure is this all the time or not). Could be due to ecu pump rich a/f ratio during cold.
    - Also when driving at low speed and moderate rpm, when the aircon compressor kicks in, can definitely feel  my rpm dropped and a braking force exerted to my cars engine. In other words it sorts of jerked. In a manual...
    - Also, sometimes when shifting back to neutral and braking towards a stop. rpm stays at 1.5k and later on drops. refering to this (persoan vvt group)    https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4011234/+1540  , could be due to faulty brake stop switch. Will check with SC on my 3rd problems trip there.

this one more on proton cb ecu tuning, in manual u will get more power drop after shifting to 2nd and 3rd gear. suspect eco mia driving tuning.
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---------------------------------------- End of issues currently with my Saga VVT manual 2016-------------------------------------------------------------

I will get myself an obd2 scanner as well for myself to diagnose my car to check if everything is supposed to be running as it should.

Again, car drives great but this issues (especially issue 7,8,9) must be solved asap before it gives birth to other issues. I guess in my case, its true that when u buy a proton u learn more about ur car and will have regular visits to the SC....

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change your sc bro better go to cose.


I am still keeping my calm as the car is still drive-able and not staying in SC emergency ward overnight....
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post Feb 3 2017, 03:43 AM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Feb 1 2017, 02:53 PM)
I won't surprise what you faced in item 8 above. Proton VVT has the  official torque and horse power figure same as campro iafm, with no official dyno chart release to differentiate these 2, i doubt VVT is much more superior than IAFM. No doubt you will feel under power for anything lower than 2k since the max torque come very late at 4k rpm. The jerking during compressor kickin is exactly what happen in BLM/FL/FLX  due to the oversize compressor used in this small engine (i believe it still the same Sanden unit in saga VVT, which is piston based compressor), the compressor can seize up to 30% of engine torque during operation, but the outcome is cold aircond in cabin even in minimal coldness setting. Furthermore the engine braking jerk can only be felt.in manual especially in gear1 and 2 due to direct coupling of clutch to the engine, you won't feel in 4AT and CVT due to drastic torque seizure masked by the less efficient (compare to manual clutch) torque converter/wet clutch.

I would say overall new proton did improve alot in safety and assesories, but the engine compartment still lack the refinement and lag behind the competitor.
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been driving vvt manual for 3 months, i can say the engine is more refine than older campro,
power delivery need to whack throttle a bit until 3k above and else it will give u this kind of torque dip worst than vanilla campro lol(more noticeable with manual transmission) its because the tuning more on eco mode for better fc. btw the bosch ecu is more secure than continental ecu, a tuner already got the wiring diagram for vvt engine, just pray that in future the can remap it for more responsive driving mode.

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QUOTE(bojek @ Feb 2 2017, 11:40 PM)
So far no issue. Drive it like a champ.
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But for ferrying people better opt for Persona. More pick up and more comfortable for rear passanger.
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great to hear no driving issue on this car biggrin.gif

After full consideration, I think its better for me to get this car as it's more cost efficient as 1st car. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 3 2017, 01:44 PM

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Newbie here... Where/What is cose referring to? Wanted to send my new saga for service too. 😁

This post has been edited by m_m1: Feb 3 2017, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(m_m1 @ Feb 3 2017, 01:44 PM)
Newbie here... Where/What is cose referring to? Wanted to send my new saga for service too. 😁
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TSbojek
post Feb 3 2017, 06:20 PM

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Just rule of thumb when dealing with SA.

Made your booking.

Have more than one colour option.

Try ask for any rebate or discount.

Have a good repo with your SA. Talk nicely.

Settle your loan application.

Informed him that you know, among the car being produced, there will be potential you will be a victim of lemon unit. And if you switch place with him also he die2 won't take it.

So after settle your loan, tell your SA you want to have a look at the car a day earlier, referring to the car number register before taking the car.

If you find out that there's many thing you don't like bout the car, pick the other colour.

Also do the same process until you are satisfy with it.

Be patient and don't be afraid being pushed to take that car. Remember, kuasa pembeli.

If worst you only loose your deposit, 500 buck. Instead of driving a lemon unit.

Can also try other place if the current one not suit to your taste.


But this method need you to have a perseverence of not taking the car early, mind you.

Actually this can be apply to all car maker as well.

My 2 cent

Willing seller willing buyer.

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