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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V)发 8ight 发, Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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post Jun 1 2017, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(Vincent9696 @ Jun 1 2017, 06:31 PM)
From banker , the officer told me when i replace a new book with balance transfer due to book printed full.
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hmm no passbooks then how for those vets and older ppl to update/withdraw their account? dont think it will happen despite it is a good initiative
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post Jun 7 2017, 05:53 PM

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Economy is bad. Price increase everyday, salary no increase... raya coming someore... guess alot ppl letting go, and not much can afford to topup also sad.gif me included

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post Aug 1 2017, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Aug 1 2017, 04:46 PM)
Any compounding effect?
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Dividend is calculated based on the month's lowest balance. Some of the sifus explained before earlier on.

Example:

Example 1: Your balance is 50k, you withdraw 5k, balance is 45k.. So for entire month, dividend will be calculated based on 45k
Example 2: Your balance is 50k, you topup 10,k balance 60k. Week after, you withdraw 5k, balance is 55k. Dividend will be calculated based on 50k
Example 3: Your balance is 50k, you topup 10k, balance 60k. Week after, you withdraw 15k, balance is 45k. Dividend will be calculated based on 45k.
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QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Aug 1 2017, 05:01 PM)
Oh, I meant after dividend is announced. Any compounding effect on the dividend paid? Like will it be reinvested?

Purposely buy ASW today to be in time for 1 month dividend during payout end of Aug.  laugh.gif Just wondering what happen to the dividend.
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dividend will be added back to your current balance as units... so to answer you, its yes...
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post Aug 23 2017, 03:23 PM

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even after GE or not, so far track record, 6% is the lowest... even if say go to 5.5%, it's still quite high compared to FD... FD has got PIDM, but if really anything happens to any particular bank, i doubt with PIDM also they will have sufficient funds to payout to sooooooo many ppl with FD/savings/current acc...

i believe for us, we just kicimai in ASx... alot of big shots with millions, or maybe tens of millions inside also not worried yet tongue.gif
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post Sep 5 2017, 11:55 AM

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successfully topup ASM, dont have others accts... 10k easily without much tries, maybe around 10 tries only.... lack of funds to topup sad.gif withdraw from egia 10k to topup sad.gif
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post Sep 5 2017, 03:37 PM

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tried for half hour for ASM cannot get anything at all liao sad.gif
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post Sep 5 2017, 04:32 PM

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Yay manage to topup abit more before closing. Catch of the day:

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post Sep 5 2017, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 5 2017, 05:18 PM)
You go on the assumption that the realised investment income and cost is the only thing to consider.

As I mentioned many times on this thread (but usually ignored), there's a "hidden" profit/loss that FP funds also has to consider. The capital gains/losses. The buffer has to take into consideration the losses sustained from holding the shares/investments. For example one of the major holding for most ASx funds is Maybank shares. If you see the share price as at 31/12/2016, it was RM8.20 per share; in the previous year end 31/12/2015, it was RM8.40 per share. What the profit show would be the dividend income received; but it doesn't take into consideration the RM0.20 per share of capital loss year-on-year

Therefore they usually cannot declare too much as they need to cover the capital fluctuations; and some bad years, need to still maintain certain % of dividend above FD rate to avoid bank run. If I remember correctly ASB did declare more dividend than profits in 2015
Auditor is E&Y. Actually I don't think your AA or BB is that relevant. As demonstrated above, the reserves need to be used to cover capital losses (if any). If I draw parallel to Tabung Haji, their capital loss on investments as at 31/12/2016 amounted to RM4.5b. But PNB is smarter, they don't have to show the unrealised losses because the published financial statements do not have balance sheet.

Now, WHY there's no balance sheet? That's a question you should be asking yourself
If you go CIMB or pub mut MY large cap and islamic funds it'll be the same. The problem is the underlying holdings

You know what is the most ironic thing I noticed? On 31/8 everyone is cursing why 6% so low terrible Wahid

Today few pages on top up good news. So who's to blame for low dividends?
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Well nicely said. As much as me being a small potato only, i believe ASx is a "safer" alternative compared to other investment vehicles... i always see ppl complaining bout the low returns, if so, he/she can always opt for other alternatives which bears more fruit but with higher risk, else just stick to FD, which in return offers much lower returns... despite only 6% being declared, i am "ok" with it, rather than having park in fd, or other riskier investments
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 5 2017, 05:33 PM)
Sometimes you need to get out of your shell and look at real world investment. Amanah saham is uniquely Malaysian.

I was like you last time. Thought the world of amanah saham and money "must be protected".

dasecret opened my eyes. So for me now, amanah saham is a parking place.
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yup i agree with you too.. but for the time being, my personal goal is to have a certain amt of $ being stashed up safely, before going out with the remaining/extra funds... wanna secure myself incase of any emergency first... bola tak cukup kuat to take the risk
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post Oct 2 2017, 02:07 PM

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guys wanna check, for OTC withdrawal @ banks, are there any minimum amount for withdrawal?
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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Oct 2 2017, 04:37 PM)
The returns have to be significantly higher than FD. (1 year or 3 year rate)
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as of now, its still higher than fd... fd promo highest past few mths is 4.5% only... prob is, FD is locked down to the tenure, for ASNB, its quite flexible in terms of withdrawal.... just hoping will maintain at a min of 6%
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 2 2017, 05:20 PM)
Was previous customer of promo FD. Put all my money into ASNB and never look back. Make my life easier. No need to go to banks anymore.
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same here... have accounts in so many banks, end up due to the troublesome requirements to meet for the promos, end up withdrawn everythin throw all into ASNB... never looked back, feel happy bout it, and most importantly = higher interest n better flexibility... even my gia which was locked before the new conditions also i uplift n throw into asnb
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QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Oct 2 2017, 08:28 PM)
hopefully if any actually bank goes bust, PIDM is able to payout all customers affected
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Well i think we all know it is almost impossible go hVe enough funds to payout to everyone.. how many ppl in the country... and when a particular bank busts, the country will be in deeper sheet, thus PIDM is like an “assurance” which can never Cover everyone imho... i believe anythin happen also those big shots n with connections will be the 1 compensated first.. when our turn wor lol
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post Oct 2 2017, 09:28 PM

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I agree with ramjade.. for PNB to go down, banks will be affected too. End of the day, whatever ASNB invests in, they are answerable to the shareholders, and PNB is also under MOF.

Anyway personal preference. A year ago, all i dump in, is FD. Now after doing much research, its the same sheet end of the day. Having 10,000 people with 250k is not hard at all. Thats alrdy 2.5b in compensation. I truly believe there is way more than 10k ppl with more than amt. easily few hundred k ppl with that amount.

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post Oct 4 2017, 03:51 PM

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manage to topup 20k ASM, 10k per transaction, in 10 mins time
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post Oct 9 2017, 02:03 PM

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sad to say i have 95% of my funds inside ASx also... dont know where to go, FD way too low %, wanna stay "safe" for now... cant afford to take the risk since my house just completed, wanna have some spare cashflow just incase... not pumping into housing loan since 6% > 4.15% housing loan
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QUOTE(SilenTz_1993 @ Oct 9 2017, 02:08 PM)
I think for the time being, ASx still is a pretty decent choice to keep money compared to FD - just remember to diversify like other sifus have mentioned, you'll probably feel better (and have a peace of mind) once you do that.  biggrin.gif
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ya i understand and agree with diversification. but for now, my risk appetite is almost nil, therefore just remain with asx for the time being.... wanna have some spare cash since im getting married in 2 mths, and hse ready now, so alot of $ needs to be used.. so wanna have some spare cash for cashflow, parking in asx first....

well, if there are any other suggestions that have super low risk, i wouldnt mind.. but as of now, from what i read from all the sifus comments, high risk = high return lol.. so i prefer to stay low for the time being...

just withdrawn 20k from asm today at maybank sad.gif
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QUOTE(cclim2011 @ Oct 13 2017, 02:23 PM)
Hello, I have not been looking into my asw account until today after my online registration. Can I know (I think must be in this thread before or first page? haha), the year end dividend is calculated on daily rest or other method? monthly average? etc?
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calculated based on monthly's lowest amount
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post Oct 13 2017, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(cclim2011 @ Oct 13 2017, 02:43 PM)
ah ok thanks thanks. Just read it somewhere also. Another question if you don't mind, I saw what dividend and bonus dividend in asb. Does it apply to asw? I have never withdraw my amount in asw more than 120months already. Will that drag down my effective yearly yield if I continue to purchase?
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ntg 1 ma if you never withdraw... if you purchase, it's always the best to purchase during the last day of the month, or first day of the month to fully maximize the returns... if you purchase during mid of the mth, the lowest amt in the month is still the amount from early of the mth, so no point.. you could have got afew more bucks in your savings/current account

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