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Hansel
post Sep 28 2017, 12:59 PM

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After I have sold ALL of one of my Fixed Rate funds,... the number of units in my account goes to ZERO, but the point is : the account remains there.

I am testing another behaviour of the computer system now,... shall update here if it's relevant,....
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post Sep 28 2017, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Sep 28 2017, 12:24 PM)
Exactly 6% p/a.
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post Sep 30 2017, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Sep 30 2017, 10:39 AM)
Trying to find some data eg net profit to make some sense of the returns, carryover, reserves, etc.

Looked up the annual booklets. But can only find those before 2015. Maybe I have misplaced those 2015 and after.

Do you have 2015 and later annual report booklets?

If they have stopped issuing the hardcopy, where can I get the electronic version? Tried the web site, cannot find them there.

Thanks.

P/S Found the previous yr electronic annual report for AS1M. They only show one yr there.  Where can I get the rest?
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Actually,... IS it time-justifiable to do all these researching and studying ? I noticed a lot of details missing in the disclosures, and things seldom happen according to projections,.. though some err on the upside too,...

There is no certainty,... no ?
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post Sep 30 2017, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Sep 30 2017, 12:27 PM)
My simple man's view is like this, though I am already riding this vehicle, if I found something seriously wrong, I will get out of the vehicle.

Eg, say they have been using carryovers to get a nicer % and the reserve is now actually negative, you know what I will do lah.

PLEASE don't go round saying their reserve is negative. I just want to find out more. Minor smart accounting tricks, I don't mind. Major ones, I do mind. Ha.
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Tq.

Well,... I read their books quickly too,.. and their reserves are far from negative for now,.. If there is a need to break any bad news,... it has to be TRUE, first of all,.. if it's a presumption, we must state so. Tks again for the sharing,... we don't have time to read everything,...
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post Oct 9 2017, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 9 2017, 02:34 PM)
CONGRATULATIONS on getting married soon!  rclxm9.gif

Welcome to the Married Club!  thumbup.gif

Lots of fun, challenges, discoveries, compromises, sacrifices, thrills, delights, etc etc waiting for you two! brows.gif

And not forgetting ASX to help you on the wealth building journey!  devil.gif

Cheerio!
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Oct 9 2017, 04:49 PM)
you better return the money you scammed from people.
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biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif Haha,... guys,... great fun reading all these,.. that's Arima Ching,.. not Aroma Chong,... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Anyway,... something I read in the above is very true,... for PNB, they should have ventured out earlier when the RM was stronger back then,... the prb is,.. the longer they wait,the RM might become even weaker,... no difference from us wanting to invest out,....
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post Oct 20 2017, 12:36 PM

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Frankly,... from what I heard in SG when I went there to do my Rights Issue recently,.. they are tightening their rules against our investors going in.

So,... PNB will continue to reap more and more benefits in the years to come when Malaysians can't invest in SG anymore.
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post Oct 27 2017, 04:31 PM

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Public service ann't here : Go change money these two days if you have requirement for the AUD, SGD or USD. The RM will be strong this weekend because of the Budget 2018 Ann't which is running now.
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post Oct 27 2017, 07:28 PM

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Huh ? For Indians only ?
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post Oct 28 2017, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 28 2017, 11:28 AM)
Ahh I'm correct after all... tongue.gif
Hmm so the account only max 50k?? That's kinda small, but okay if like ASB.. 200k,.. including dividend can go until 500k rclxm9.gif  so 50k, then including dividend accumulated can go above 100k leh...
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But we don't know the yield yet,... we will only know next year,... around 6% too ?
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post Jan 8 2018, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(kidzkaimun @ Jan 4 2018, 08:48 AM)
Sifu, i actually just started to invest this year, aim to hv 7% annual return, so start with something less volatile and i neex income in MYR also, so ASx seems to b a gud start. For sg, any suggestion for ur "very easy"?i stil hv long way to learn
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Bro kidz,... maybe put in more effort to learn SG investments since you are already working in SG,... and are living inside SG,... don't turn back !Open CDP Accounts, DBS accounts, etc,....
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post Mar 29 2018, 10:27 PM

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RM is strong now,... if there are plans to invest outside,... now's the time to start converting out,,....
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post Apr 19 2018, 10:24 PM

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Wait for announcements,... never know yet,....
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post Apr 26 2018, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 25 2018, 09:59 PM)
It's already written in the GE MANIFESTO that tiered dividend will be introduced. Although I have  no idea what they means by tier dividend.
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Tiered dividend is still better than nothing,... AND if can still withdraw, though cannot buy more is, to me,... still acceptable !!!

Rather than cannot buy more AND CANNOT WITHDRAW too,... then problem,....
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post Apr 30 2018, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 29 2018, 04:29 PM)
YES..
if u managed to get some units..

many consider as high interest FD, with some privilege groups even considering as Banks saving account  cool2.gif  flex.gif
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QUOTE(Pimplepopper @ Apr 29 2018, 05:17 PM)
Definitely.

It's safe. Please invite all your family members and friends to join in to reap the benefits. Better do it soon as the dividend payout might not be 6% in coming years. Profit is shrinking, so do payout
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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Apr 29 2018, 10:42 PM)
As long as still higher than FD, ppl will still prefer Asx smile.gif
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Yes,... but there is a new development here,... let's see what becomes of the ASM now,... in the meantime, can still treat this as high-interest FD,....
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post May 4 2018, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 4 2018, 12:50 PM)
Well there's no official notices issued...
And many failed to even get min amount for weeks...
What does that tells u...
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Hmm,... at first 'reflexive' response,... there is uncertainty being created here,... and we know investors do not like uncertainty,...
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post May 4 2018, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 4 2018, 03:16 PM)
Yeah..
Donno what happen..
There's no clear info...
Some say. No such thing as "suspended"..
But to say zero units for weeks is kinda fishy.. Even the hard to get ASW also have minimal units available time to time.. Zero for ASM... So what's the logical explanations for it...
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Yeah,... PNB shld provide a position,.. not to leave would-be investors dangling like this,...
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post May 4 2018, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(dreign @ May 4 2018, 05:36 PM)
It's not suspended as you can still sell back ASM.
Just that ASNB not selling or  some other reason not know to us.
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Ahh,... this statement finally comes,... yes, meaning people can exit this investment, but NOT allowed to buy-in anymore, in other words, this fund is not taking-in anymore new investors after somebody unloaded the units. As more and more people sell because they needed money, there will be fewer and fewer investors in this fund.

We really need to know PNB's plans for this fund,... should not keep using the dark like this.
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post May 5 2018, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 4 2018, 06:52 PM)
found the answer already  biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ May 4 2018, 09:31 PM)
Bro Hansel,

you also are interested with asnb ?
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Tq nexona,... so, we have a more 'official' reason here,..

Bro prince,.. not putting in anymore, but still have some getting ready to move them out when opportunity permits. Used to be PNB enthusiast too many years ago and when that discussion came about changing to variable funds, I tried harder and moved the majority out. That was a good thing that happened to me - if that discussion did not come, I wouldn't have moved my funds out.

The experience gained has been invaluable,... and the chances to open accounts overseas,... yeah,..
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post May 5 2018, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 4 2018, 10:00 PM)
Of course.This is my warchest. If 2008 happens again,  I will draw from there. I can't find good parking place in SG. So is the best I can find. Seeing that SG appreciate about 2%p.a against RM, with amanah saham at 6%, it should get slightly more than just park the money inside SG.

Not adding anymore. Just all my salary transfer to SG once every 2-3 months.

Remember, I don't simply buy stuff. I wait and have no problem waiting. No point I buy if got no discount.
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Hmm,... there is a new snag here,... what you mentioned in the above is good planning. One thing good about the current govt is it never stops us from moving our funds out of this country.

If the govt changes,... I suspect this policy will change,... just an opinion for you and the bros here,...

For myself : I moved out whatever I could, as fast as I could, and invested as much as I could by learning and experiencing as fast as I could. Soon, a breakpoint will be reached whereby, with sufficient funds outside of the country, whatever I have overseas will earn enough and be self-sustaining. Then I would not need to pump anymore out.
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post May 5 2018, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(kpfun @ May 5 2018, 08:40 AM)
Looks like, they are having problem of VP selling. They are trying on something what banks do all the time, binding high rate FD with purchasing their trust funds.

No good for us who are unfavoarable of  ASNB VP funds.  In time come, more such promtions, and we are getting difficulty to buy FP freely. ASNB might reserve all free Non Bumi units for that purpose.
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QUOTE(MGM @ May 5 2018, 10:02 AM)
So they are only attracting the nonbumi to invest on such schemes? Unless offering similar package for ASB, ASB2.
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Good fwd-thinking, bros,.... thumbsup.gif

So,... if anybody sells ASM, the funds sold will be converted into 'reserves' for the above promo,.. Things are beginning to change,... starting with the ASM. So the change is NOT from FP into VP for the ASM, but rather in this form.

Hence, the ASM being the 'in the weakest position'.

I am glad I started moving out from end-2015. Investment needs to be fwd-thinking,....

MKt is forward-looking,... a common saying, so, we must be fwd-thinking too to be on top of the curve,....

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