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post Jan 12 2017, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Jan 12 2017, 11:50 AM)
I think people are forgetting 1996~1999.

My father is one the people got VSS. Till now i resent Sapura for it.

Well, I am not cursing people to get VSS or worse, laid off. But it is just a proof that being an employee is not that rosey.
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Everything has their setbacks.

Either work out for the difference or stay indifferent.
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post Jan 12 2017, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Jan 12 2017, 11:50 AM)
I think people are forgetting 1996~1999.

My father is one the people got VSS. Till now i resent Sapura for it.

Well, I am not cursing people to get VSS or worse, laid off. But it is just a proof that being an employee is not that rosey.
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If got VSS with good compesation ok lah. VSS with no compensation then die lor.
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(SushiBurgerX @ Jan 12 2017, 11:57 AM)
When economy down, rich people won't be affected. Big Mama still shopping hanfdbags. Apa dia kesah.

So yeah, targeting high-end market is good. Always got people with too much cash. Instead of targeting the people who is scrapping for cash.
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ya thats why ts theory about stress la fail la should not be here... oh wai.... sembang je kuat tapi masa buat xtau... laugh.gif
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Wassupman @ Jan 12 2017, 12:09 PM)
ya thats why ts theory about stress la fail la should not be here... oh wai.... sembang je kuat tapi masa buat xtau... laugh.gif
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you not born with silver spoon you try to act like you do you choke on the spoon you try to eat with.

no big head don't wear big hat.

those people got silver spoon no work biz will also be good.
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:14 PM

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if you have to explain, then you are not a successfull businessman
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 12 2017, 11:51 AM)
easy way is ask them would they make a different choice if they had one (i.e not venturing into business). 9/10 will tell you yes unless they really successful and money is all they care)
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Ur logic is flawed. If they care about money, why do business in the first place?

Every veteran who do business understand that business only give the potential to earn a lot of money. Being an employee is u guaranteed to earn money. Business u hav to spend money to earn some, employee earn money to spend.

9/10? So far the 1/10 that i have met is very positive with what they are doing. Some are still learning like me, some are teaching for fun.

But actually i dont mind people staying to be employee, just like i dun mind people want to rent house forever. As pity as i can be for those guys, i still need them to be my future employee, and i need people to rent my future real estate. I also pray everyday our economy to flourish so u all got big fat bonuses then buy my products.

Dun hate the game.
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(Wassupman @ Jan 12 2017, 10:51 AM)
i believe if you have a strong business plan, you wont fail.

everyone can blame the economy when it is bad but are you saying no company will survive during bad economy?

example of two companies that was doing extremely well during this current economy crisis is Hap Seng and Ekovest. These two companies are not selling ordinary goods which ordinary people can afford to buy. They are selling luxury products which costs a fortune to some. Yet they sold even more as compared to better economy days.
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Lol I thought Hap Seng sells biscuits
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(saigetsu @ Jan 12 2017, 12:14 PM)
if you have to explain, then you are not a successfull businessman
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What do u mean by this?
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 12 2017, 12:11 PM)
you not born with silver spoon you try to act like you do you choke on the spoon you try to eat with.

no big head don't wear big hat.

those people got silver spoon no work biz will also be good.
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it has nothing to do with being born rich here... its about whether can he do the business or not right....
anyone whether rich or poor also can make it out there despite whatever situation wan ma...

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post Jan 12 2017, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Jan 12 2017, 12:16 PM)
Ur logic is flawed. If they care about money, why do business in the first place?

Every veteran who do business understand that business only give the potential to earn a lot of money. Being an employee is u guaranteed to earn money. Business u hav to spend money to earn some, employee earn money to spend.

9/10? So far the 1/10 that i have met is very positive with what they are doing. Some are still learning like me, some are teaching for fun.

But actually i dont mind people staying to be employee, just like i dun mind people want to rent house forever. As pity as i can be for those guys, i still need them to be my future employee, and i need people to rent my future real estate. I also pray everyday our economy to flourish so u all got big fat bonuses then buy my products.

Dun hate the game.
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indeed

some can just be a shareholder or sumthin by dumping their money to invest

no need so headache to run a business
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(Wassupman @ Jan 12 2017, 12:18 PM)
it has nothing to do with being born rich here... its about whether can he do the business or not right....
anyone whether rich or poor also can make it out there despite whatever situation wan ma...
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This.

I actually said this to a guy who do business more than 20 years.

I say they are born rich, they have good start.

Well the bro said almost the same thing. He ask me back, if that guy does not know how to run a company, doesnt his company will shut down in month?
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:34 PM

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You are forgetting that the boss can understate company profits and pocket the difference.
You are forgetting that the boss can increase your responsibilities without increasing your pay.
You are forgetting that the boss can terminate you with 0 repercussions towards them - industrial relations in the country now favours employers massively.
charleshector.blogspot.my/2012/12/10000-workers-denied-right-to-court.html
You are forgetting that the boss is asking for loyalty while not rewarding it.
You are forgetting that the boss is asking for well-trained staff while not providing their training.
You are forgetting that most bosses have little to no qualifications in their industry and are merely salesmen who make promises on behalf of the engineers.
You are forgetting that if bosses keep saying their companies are not making much money, they need to close up shop or start working for charities.
You are forgetting that bosses have trouble showing gratitude to staff, and have only demands and complaints.

Wonder where bosses would be if people really rose up.

QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 12 2017, 10:26 AM)
With economy going down, many /k started asking question about starting their own business.

My advise is: "Don't."

Many people like you had a decent job but decided to venture into the business world & end up going back a 9-5 job instead, and no it's not because they lost money or business was bad, these are the secrets no businessmen will tell you.

1.Being the Owner is very different from being an Employee, Employees typically work 9-5, once finish work they don't need to worry about job, some work OT but they get paid, some prefer to bring their work back home but it's their own choice. Thing is most employees don't need to think about their jobs when they go home. Owners, on the other hand, have to think about their business & work 24/7, while you are happily streaming youtube or browsing fb at home your boss is pulling his hair thinking about the business.

2.You don't need to worry about Company's revenue, it's company's money, boss problem, not yours. You do your part that is all you need to do. Boss, on the other hand have to think about their financial status 24/7, worry about shareholders, worry about company sustainability, worry about not able to pay their employees, worry not able to give good bonus to employees, worry about stock value falling, worry about not getting their business licensed renewed, worry about local religious agencies, worry about local councils etc.

3.You might feel you are the one doing all the jobs, and boss looks like goyang kaki, well, if their job is to look like what you are doing why bother hiring you? Because many things they need to do don't get shown to you employees like they show in the movies, they have to handle higher level jobs that you cannot handle, like lobbying with government, finding & negotiating with clients & suppliers, making crucial decisions.

4.Boss need to worry about business survival & bankruptcy, you don't need to worry about anything even if company business is bad. worst case company close down you find another job in another company, while Boss, lost money is lost and they have to find ways to recover, might take 3 years, might take 20, some never did.

5.Boss have to worry about how to use their wealth, with so much money comes so much burden, which car to buy? which house is better investment? should they go Tag, Rolex or IWC? Which golf club is better? They worry what if they bought the wrong Ferrari that doesn't suit them? What to do with so many golf clubs at home? Which country should they go for vacation? You on the other hand has much less to worry about because you can't afford many things so you don't think about them, you just focus on few things in life, and since you don't have much choice you feel easily content. Content means satisfied, a satisfied person is a happy person. You don't have to worry about the money in your banks. Remember this:"You are not your bank account(s)". Having more stuffs also means more "Weights" in life.

6.Boss have to make wise decision in who to hire, who to manage their operations, who they trust, who to befriend with, whom to Marry, who won't betray or take advantage of them while you, anyone also can be friends because you are just a normal person, so they say sugar attracts ants, you have less sugar, so less ants.

7.You can take rest during office hours, take a smoking break, browse /k, play handphones, because you see your boss always playing with his phone(s), well what you don't know is he is probably texting the financial minister for business opportunities while you are shooting angry birds down. You think you are doing the same thing your boss is doing, well, think otherwise.

8.If things go really bad, you can just pack up & leave, business owners can't do that, they have their business, and employees to take care of.

9.Boss income varies, while yours is fixed. Yea on good years they make more money, but on bad years they have to pay your salary out of their own pockets. You know you can pay your car loans next month because you will have your fixed salary, boss have to lelong their houses when business is bad because they have to pay your salary so you can continue servicing your loans and not get your car towed.

The responsibilities & stress business owners carry is too much, losing sleep is a common thing, this is why many business owners decide to go back to their 9-5 deskjob because it's much easier. You, on the other hand, want to jump into the fire, they came out from the fire burnt telling you not to, but still, you jumped in, and get burnt.
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Jan 12 2017, 12:29 PM)
This.

I actually said this to a guy who do business more than 20 years.

I say they are born rich, they have good start.

Well the bro said almost the same thing. He ask me back, if that guy does not know how to run a company, doesnt his company will shut down in month?
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exactly... rich kid have the upper hand of having what they want easily but it doesnt mean they can do well despite having the opportunity to be exposed more...

on the other hand poor kid might not have all the opportunity to do anything but they value what they have and in fact this point might give them the upper hand to do even more better...

i dont know if ts realized many of billionaiers started off with poor background... not all are from rich family.... im talking about those that are really successful and started by themself... not those inherited business ok...
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(Elgore @ Jan 12 2017, 12:23 PM)
indeed

some can just be a shareholder or sumthin by dumping their money to invest

no need so headache to run a business
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then either the money invested means nothing to you or you have no interest in the business. chances are you gonna say goodbye to your money anyway.
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:42 PM

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Thank you for TS advice. I think i will venture for business also.

And the first point, no need to worry about work after working hour. LOL.

This post has been edited by andrewcha: Jan 12 2017, 12:43 PM
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Jan 12 2017, 01:17 PM)
Lol I thought Hap Seng sells biscuits
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Hap Seng is one of the property developer also
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(andrewcha @ Jan 12 2017, 12:42 PM)
Thank you for TS advice. I think i will venture for business also.

And the first point, no need to worry about work after working hour. LOL.
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you want to talk about work during happy hours it's your own problem.
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 12 2017, 01:46 PM)
you want to talk about work during happy hours it's your own problem.
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I need to prepare stuff for tomorrow work though.
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(andrewcha @ Jan 12 2017, 12:45 PM)
Hap Seng is one of the property developer also
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Oh sorry it's hUp seng
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(andrewcha @ Jan 12 2017, 12:48 PM)
I need to prepare stuff for tomorrow work though.
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yea and i need to fill up my water bottle & bread box for breakfast.

next thing you will say I'm thinking about work on my way to work before work hour starts.

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